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Dave The Man

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Will there be any players play for the jobs next year?
 
Merry Christmas, Dave.

Ben Davies(list filler), Ryan Lonie(mr. potential), Guy Richards(tender), Ryan Cook and Daniel Nicholls(rookie).

Ben Davies needs to improve. I'm quietly confident, although sometimes he doesn't look up to it. Ryan Lonie will be 24, right time to stamp his authority on the competition. Daniel Nicholls, as we know, is a second year rookie - unfortunately that's the way the cookie crumbles, but I rate him. Guy Richards must be accountable for his actions, at least he can be excused. Ryan Cook seems to lack toughness, and that's where Danny Stanley shows promise.
 
Definately, positively, absolutely Guy (just get him on the paddock) Richards! Last chance cafe Guy ol' chappie.I've got my doubts though, reckon Bryan will overtake him.

Hard to believe Lones is only 24 C.T. Seems like he's been around forever. 24 yo is meant to be when players hit their peak. Hopefully Lones will unleash his full potential and have a ripper season.:thumbsu:
 
Coin_Toss said:
Merry Christmas, Dave.

Ben Davies(list filler), Ryan Lonie(mr. potential), Guy Richards(tender), Ryan Cook and Daniel Nicholls(rookie).
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I agree with you with the first 3, I haven't seen Cook or Nicholls don't keep updated with the VFL. I'd really hope for Richards' sack he starts to show something next year, I would hate to see Lonie go, so here's hoping for a big season for him.
 

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Of our players who have been around a while, its pleasing that we have very few duds left. Those that go at the end of the year will be unlucky, unlike this year where for most of them, their time was up.

Guy Richards and Ben Davies are two on their last chances, especially Davies.

Other senior players who may come under the microscope are Leon Davis, Ryan Lonie and Tarkyn Lockyer. All may be trade bait at the end of the year.

Of the second year players, Cook and Stanley may have to show a bit more.
 
njac3 said:
O'Bree would have to be close if he had a bad year,
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I think he may have saved himself with a good year this year.

Leon Davis would be one, but I think with him being injured he might escape this year if he didn't have a super one and maybe the year after he'd be under the pump.
 
i don't know why you guys are so critical on Davies. Im a big fan.
I recon Davis & Richards are lucky to still be around
 
Ben Davies is a hard in and udner midfielder who i can see fillign a scotty burns role when burnsy retires. Ultimately, the club will be in a rebuilding phase over the next 3 years.

Likely retirements over two- 3 years:
- Nathan Buckley, Scott Burns, Anthony Rocca, James Clement, Paul licuria.

Thats pretty much our core senior players gone in by 2008/9. Therefore, we need the Lonie's, the Davie's to show something. Ryan's year this year was an improvement, with his first half of the year outstanding. (Check out his stats for Rounds 1-6 especially, was terrific to watch.)

The guys we desperately need to get rid of are Shane O'Bree and these types- guys who will never ever win us a flag. Shane is at best a solid wingman with poor decision making and foot skills. When he gets tagged he may aswell go to Bali because you don't see him anyway.

Therefore, i think our line-up, building for the future, should look like this:

B: O'brien, Prestigiacomo, Maxwell

HB: Lonie, Clement, H.Shaw

C: Davies, Didak (when Fit), R. Shaw

HF: Thomas, Cloke, Egan

FF: Medhurst, Buckley, Rusling

Rucks: Fraser, Holland, Johnson

Int: Stanley, Rocca, Burns, Richards, licuria, lockyer, Anthony.

It's pretty tough to do- Anthony Rocca, Licca and tarks ont he bench. however this is the future of our club and id rather give some kids experience now that get to 2008 and have about 4 major retirements, leaving us flat on our feet.
 
ouu 5 said:
i don't know why you guys are so critical on Davies. Im a big fan.
I recon Davis & Richards are lucky to still be around
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Dont know if anybody's critical as such, but of the younger players he's probably delivered the least to date and therefore is the most under pressure to hold his spot.

Every year theres a minimum turnover of 5-6 players, and with Burns and Wakelin filling two spots with retirement, there's another 3-4 who have to go. You'd only expect one player (maybe Lonie Lockyer or Davis) to go via a trade, so that leaves 2 or three to be delisted. Unless Buckley retires which I doubt.

Davies Richards and one of the second year players like Cook or Stanley are going to need big years to avoid the chop. Chris Bryan too will be under immediate pressure.

Thats just the way it goes.
 
Davies, kid shows promise but lacks flair. I'm hopeful but its crunch time.

Richards, mister unreliable. Injuries have been cruel, short lists mean clubs can ill afford to be too patient.

Rhyce Shaw, tough call but after knee op recovery and an indifferent season Rhyce has to come back hard this year.

Stanley, another tough call but the kid needs to break through this year and show us something.

Lockyer, Lonie seem perennial favourites of the coach and favourite targets of the fans. Neither have lived up to potential, both have obvious faults but both do a job most weeks and will be relatively safe if they play at least as well as they did last season (same with O'Bree, who actually had a good season 2006).

Wakes and Burns, either way you'd think its their last season but Wakes needs to find fitness and form early to avoid extended spells at Willy one feels, particularly if Anthony comes on as expected and Toovey continues to improve and starts to press for selection. Maxwell and O'Brien will also be pressing so it could be tougher for Wakes than many assume.
 

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Timmy from Thomastown said:
Of our players who have been around a while, its pleasing that we have very few duds left. Those that go at the end of the year will be unlucky, unlike this year where for most of them, their time was up.

Guy Richards and Ben Davies are two on their last chances, especially Davies.

Other senior players who may come under the microscope are Leon Davis, Ryan Lonie and Tarkyn Lockyer. All may be trade bait at the end of the year.

Of the second year players, Cook and Stanley may have to show a bit more.
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I honestly can't see how you can put Tarks and Neon on the chopping block when we still have Rocca. He doesn't mark, doesn't chase, and I'm fed up with watching him drop easy chest marks. Should've left him in Sydney. O'Bree needs to improve as well. Wakes will go at the end of the year. Draft a big full back pies, Presti can't go on forever.
 
rand corp said:
Davies, kid shows promise but lacks flair. I'm hopeful but its crunch time.

Richards, mister unreliable. Injuries have been cruel, short lists mean clubs can ill afford to be too patient.

Rhyce Shaw, tough call but after knee op recovery and an indifferent season Rhyce has to come back hard this year.

Stanley, another tough call but the kid needs to break through this year and show us something whereas Cook who is a year younger will have to show improvement but the club will be more patient with him one feels.

Lockyer, Lonie seem perennial favourites of the coach and favourite targets of the fans. Neither have lived up to potential, both have obvious faults but both do a job most weeks and will be relatively safe if they play at least as well as they did last season (same with O'Bree, who actually had a good season 2006).

Wakes and Burns, either way you'd think its their last season but Wakes needs to find fitness and form early to avoid extended spells at Willy one feels, particularly if Anthony comes on as expected and Toovey continues to improve and starts to press for selection. Maxwell and O'Brien will also be pressing so it could be tougher for Wakes than many assume.
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There are so many knockers of Tarks and Lonie. Lonie has no excuse but Tarks is an excellent clubman, averaged over 18 disposals last year and has come back from a career threatening injury. I'd be looking at chopping Rhyce instead of Tarks. But you wait and you watch R. Shaw and Didak. They won't be the same after their knee recos. Tarks has finished 2nd in the BF and he's always giving a hundred percent. The only player to improve after a knee reco I can think of is James McDonald. Go through a list of players to have knee recos and you will see what I mean. Tarks is a bloody courageous player. Rocca and Lonie have no excuse, neither does Richards with a bad year. Stop knocking Tarks, he's the team scapegoat. If you watched him closely he does more stuff of the ball then anyone except for maybe Brodie and Sir Nathan Buckley.
 
johnson_26 said:
Ben Davies is a hard in and udner midfielder who i can see fillign a scotty burns role when burnsy retires. Ultimately, the club will be in a rebuilding phase over the next 3 years.

Likely retirements over two- 3 years:
- Nathan Buckley, Scott Burns, Anthony Rocca, James Clement, Paul licuria.

Thats pretty much our core senior players gone in by 2008/9. Therefore, we need the Lonie's, the Davie's to show something. Ryan's year this year was an improvement, with his first half of the year outstanding. (Check out his stats for Rounds 1-6 especially, was terrific to watch.)

The guys we desperately need to get rid of are Shane O'Bree and these types- guys who will never ever win us a flag. Shane is at best a solid wingman with poor decision making and foot skills. When he gets tagged he may aswell go to Bali because you don't see him anyway.

Therefore, i think our line-up, building for the future, should look like this:

B: O'brien, Prestigiacomo, Maxwell

HB: Lonie, Clement, H.Shaw

C: Davies, Didak (when Fit), R. Shaw

HF: Thomas, Cloke, Egan

FF: Medhurst, Buckley, Rusling

Rucks: Fraser, Holland, Johnson

Int: Stanley, Rocca, Burns, Richards, licuria, lockyer, Anthony.

It's pretty tough to do- Anthony Rocca, Licca and tarks ont he bench. however this is the future of our club and id rather give some kids experience now that get to 2008 and have about 4 major retirements, leaving us flat on our feet.
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Agree with everything except get Medhurst off the ground. Let Licca and Tarks rotate that position. And drop Richards, Rocca, Burns, Stanley and add Pendlebury and Brown
 
Originally posted by rand_corp
Stanley, another tough call but the kid needs to break through this year and show us something whereas Cook who is a year younger will have to show improvement but the club will be more patient with him one feels.
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Ryan Cook is 2 days older than Danny Stanley.
 
I was about to point out that they were both bottom aged when I saw your post Royal. Both players would be extremely hard done by if they were chopped off the list after 2007 one feels.
 

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Poppa said:
lonie shouldnt be trade bait, or even be in this topic, he is a great player
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Agreed bar the last part.

Hardly a great player, but a fixture in our line up nonetheless.

A bloke who for some reason has the support of the majority and deserves to be continually added to this thread is shane obree- decision making, and foot skills deplorable, combine that with an inability to cope with taggers.
 
You would think Wakelin will retire. If Burns retires as well which would be on the cards we be looking at delisting 3 players at a guess. Lockyer is as safe as houses. He is an MM fav. Ditto Davis. Not how I would have it but if either are not on our list in 2008 I will be stunned.

Davies would be as vulnerable as anyone. Richards simply has to stay sound AND make an impact in the ruck to survive. After that it is tough to say at this point but sure as houses 3 players have to go at a minimum and we don’t trade many out.
 
Timmy from Thomastown said:
That sounds like the defintion of trade bait to me. Good enough to be valuable in a trade but not esssential to our future.
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He wouldnt get much for him , he is our weak link and the whole AFL knows it people say but he breaks the lines and kicks the great running goals (he did this more in 02 n 03). Yes on occasion he does do this but alot of the time (this season especially) he chipped it around and put un-due pressure on team mates , he never wins 1 on 1 , is as soft as butter and should not be in our line up full stop.
 

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