General MFC Discussion 2.0

[Gysberts2Bate]

Cameron would be a huge get for us.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Cameron would be a huge get for us.

Who would ever choose to sign with this current dumpster fire?

 

[Topkent]

Also agree with A11dAtP0w3R about the notion of trading Oliver. Not specifically trading him but just treading water with the same players is riskier imo.

There's members of this board who freak out everytime you mention trading someone but that's how you improve a list. We have a surplus of inside mids, we should use them to improve us.

Port traded Wingard, that would have unfathomable when he was a 21 year old AA

 

[schmuttt]

Also agree with A11dAtP0w3R about the notion of trading Oliver. Not specifically trading him but just treading water with the same players is riskier imo.

There's members of this board who freak out everytime you mention trading someone but that's how you improve a list. We have a surplus of inside mids, we should use them to improve us.

Port traded Wingard, that would have unfathomable when he was a 21 year old AA

Should have traded Brayshaw last year...

 

[TheBoss]

Trade Gawn

 

[saj_21]

Also agree with A11dAtP0w3R about the notion of trading Oliver. Not specifically trading him but just treading water with the same players is riskier imo.

There's members of this board who freak out everytime you mention trading someone but that's how you improve a list. We have a surplus of inside mids, we should use them to improve us.

Port traded Wingard, that would have unfathomable when he was a 21 year old AA

I always liked roosy’s philosophy, no player is untradeable (is that even a word) IF the right deal comes along.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Should have traded Brayshaw last year...

But he won't get us the return Oliver would, thats my point. To get something great you have to give up something great.

If Josh Kelly or Lachie Whitfield came up in trade conversations Brayshaw isnt getting it done. We'd get something like an early second rounder for him.

Cashing in Oliver is far better from a value and need perspective.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

It's like Topkent said, people lose their minds when you bring up any of our guns for trade conversations, and I get it, they are fan favourites for a reason.

Its about putting those emotions to the side though and trying to think logically about how we could actually attract star level talent from other clubs without it making us worse in the long run .

- Spud + spud + spud = gun doesn't work.

- We don't have any first round pick this year.

- Our play stinks like s**t so we aren't attracting any free agents.

Gotta think outside the circle.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

As a serious questions how many bottom four clubs have contended after trading one of their best players? Esp if they don’t already want out.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

Also we can trade our 2021 first pick given we used two last year, I think.

 

[Toump Ass]

“The club won’t be doing anything with contracts until the AFL provides direction on list sizes for 2021. No club will have solid plans on contracts/trading yet.”

So we're doing * all under the assumption that no one else is doing anything either.

Sounds great!

 

[blitznu]

Is Smith gonna get in s**t that he was at Howes party? Or was that an old video on the piss on his insta. I dont really know what the rules are is it only if you get an uber?

 

[CTHORANGE]

Also agree with A11dAtP0w3R about the notion of trading Oliver. Not specifically trading him but just treading water with the same players is riskier imo.

There's members of this board who freak out everytime you mention trading someone but that's how you improve a list. We have a surplus of inside mids, we should use them to improve us.

Port traded Wingard, that would have unfathomable when he was a 21 year old AA

Nah we can't trade the best proponent of the handball currently in the game, what we need to do is tell the other midfielders to get on their bikes like 2018 and back him to find them with his hand pass, which can be accurate over 10-15 metres to players on the move. Also it feels like he or the coaches or both listened to commentators in 2018 who kept saying he needed to kick the ball more to become a complete player, but why, he was a gun because of his handpass, his kicking is average, though he could just go for goal more inside 50, which goes for the whole team really.

 

[Johnny Karate]

Also we can trade our 2021 first pick given we used two last year, I think.

It should only be for a quality key defender like Sam Frost, David Astbury, Patrick Ambrose or Lynden Dunn. Sure, we’d be giving away the number 1 pick in two consecutive years. However, our defensive lapses are only because of the quality of our KPDs, any of the players above would see us fully journeyed/learninged/branded all the way to the flag.

 

[Toump Ass]

Its about putting those emotions to the side though and trying to think logically about how we could actually attract star level talent from other clubs without it making us worse in the long run .

Oliver is one of probably three players we have with a legitimate claim to "star level" talent so unless we can get two "star level" talents in return trading him would be pointless.

Our development is awful- we literally have Petracca who has improved this year and everyone else has either gone backwards or has been stagnant since 2018.

Hard to assess the list when the game-plan/coach is shot.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Oliver is one of probably three players we have with a legitimate claim to "star level" talent so unless we can get two "star level" talents in return trading him would be pointless.

Our development is awful- we literally have Petracca who has improved this year and everyone else has either gone backwards or has been stagnant since 2018.

Hard to assess the list when the game-plan/coach is shot.

Harmes, Viney and Brayshaw (with Sparrow as depth) is still a very good inside midfield group even without Oliver. You swap him out for a Kelly or Whitfield type and we are instantly miles better than what we are currently.

 

[space_cowboy]

Talk of us playing in a hub... hope it's Alice Springs if it happens. That ground's dimensions would really suit us.

Not sure how that would sit with Viney, having just had a baby, but we have enough depth there if he felt he needed to be at home. Not sure how other players would be fixed?

 

[stEdy]

Mate, if Viney had a choice he would play footy every single *en day of the year

He's a nutcase

 

[00Stinger]

Harmes, Viney and Brayshaw (with Sparrow as depth) is still a very good inside midfield group even without Oliver. You swap him out for a Kelly or Whitfield type and we are instantly miles better than what we are currently.

On the assumption that one of those mentioned players will be able to step up to Olivers level on the inside game which in their 6-7 years of AFL football each, they have not been able to get close to that level

Also you would have to factor in Olivers salary, which was be maybe half of what players like Kelly & Whitfield would be getting. So you you would have to make further cuts to the list to accommodate said trade

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

On the assumption that one of those mentioned players will be able to step up to Olivers level on the inside game which in their 6-7 years of AFL football each, they have not been able to get close to that level

Also you would have to factor in Olivers salary, which was be maybe half of what players like Kelly & Whitfield would be getting. So you you would have to make further cuts to the list to accommodate said trade

Combine them with someone like Trac and we have more than enough class on the inside. Plenty. Not to mention Harmes career arc as a mid was looking pretty good until we decided to * him round with a move to defence.

You do realise Oliver will be needing to get paid very soon also don't you? How much do think he'll make? He'll be asking for 1m just Kelly and Whitfield are.

 

[Tulip]

The 'bring in Sparrow' argument is the same as the 'we don't need Hogan, we just need TMac and Weid to kick a extra 30 between them to cover the loss' argument at the end of 2018. Sparrow has played what, one game? What if he's s**t? Why don't we just bring back Matt Jones? He was good sometimes.

 

[00Stinger]

Combine them with someone like Trac and we have more than enough class on the inside. Plenty. Not to menio Harmes career arc as a mid was looking pretty good until we decided to fu** him round with a move to defence.

You do realise Oliver will be needing to get paid very soon also don't you? How much do think he'll make? He'll be asking for 1m just Kelly and Whitfield are.

Remember last time the club shipped out a top line player because others would step up and fill his void?

How did that turn out? TMac & Weid have been studs since then

I would be more inclined to move someone like a Brayshaw, Salem or even Harmes off to fill other voids. A bit like what Clarko did with Burton to bring in Wingard

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Remember last time the club shipped out a top line player because others would step up and fill his void?

How did that turn out? TMac & Weid have been studs since then

I would be more inclined to move someone like a Brayshaw, Salem or even Harmes off to fill other voids. A bit like what Clarko did with Burton to bring in Wingard

And what has he done Freo? There is no evidence to suggest we'd be in any better position than we are with Hogan than we are now with May

 

[Toump Ass]

Harmes, Viney and Brayshaw (with Sparrow as depth) is still a very good inside midfield group even without Oliver. You swap him out for a Kelly or Whitfield type and we are instantly miles better than what we are currently.

I like where you're coming from but IMO swapping one elite player for another isn't helping the deficit in talent.

I don't think Harmes Gus and Viney can compensate for the loss of Oliver (especially since our gameplan revolves around getting the ball inside and then praying the opposition * up)

 

[00Stinger]

And what has he done Freo? There is no evidence to suggest we'd be in any better position than we are with Hogan than we are now with May

That isn't really my point

The point is we thought we had players to step up and fill the void, which we clearly didn't in hindsight.

By moving out a KPF to replace with him with a KPD was going better enhance our team, but it didn't at all. Now people are floating the idea of doing the same again but this time with Oliver.

Can you see my reluctance?