Ross Lyon: Will He Coach Again?

[JackOutback]

What a load of sh*t this whole post is.

'a bit of luck and maybe'
Literally one piece of luck and he's a premiership coach.
All the foundations laid? The fu** are you talking about? What foundations?

Ross Lyon took on ready-made teams. He’s never built a team up in his life. People suggesting he take on clubs like North are kidding themselves. Could he take on another ready-made team like GWS and take them to a granny? Sure. But why change when Leon Cameron has already got them that far.

 

[Topkent]

Ross Lyon took on ready-made teams. He’s never built a team up in his life. People suggesting he take on clubs like North are kidding themselves. Could he take on another ready-made team like GWS and take them to a granny? Sure. But why change when Leon Cameron has already got them that far.

In what world was Freo ready made? They had 5 bottom 8 finishes in the 6 years before he took over.
May aswell say Adam Simpsons Premiership means nothing then because he had a ready made team

 

[Altum Volantes]

Yep, he's a finisher . Would totally suit a team like GWS. He took an average Freo to a GF... he could do wonders to a team like the Giants.

Average Freo side?

You made a GF and then finished top of the ladder 2 years later. That wasn’t all down to Ross.

Easily the best side Freo have ever had - way above average.

 

[MadMundy]

If it pisses people off then sure. I'm always down for decisions in the AFL for the sole purpose of annoying people

 

[Purple_Turtle]

Easily the best side Freo have ever had - way above average.

2003-2006 was arguably as talented, if not more then the 2012-2015 side.

Difference being the 2012-2015 side under Ross consistently made finals, whereas the 2003-2006 only had one finals appearance and one preliminary final for its efforts.

 

[Altum Volantes]

2003-2006 was arguably as talented, if not more then the 2012-2015 side.

Difference being the 2012-2015 side under Ross consistently made finals, whereas the 2003-2006 only had one finals appearance and one preliminary final for its efforts.

I remember 2003-2006 very well. Some very good players in that team, especially 2006....but it was a team that traded heavily on potential and ultimately was never really that successful. Talent is one thing, actually turning it into performance is another beast.

That all said, I stand by the fact that Freo’s team from 2013-15 was far from ‘an average Freo side’.

 

[Purple_Turtle]

I remember 2003-2006 very well. Some very good players in that team, especially 2006....but it was a team that traded heavily on potential and ultimately was never really that successful. Talent is one thing, actually turning it into performance is another beast.

Which is kinda where guys like Ross Lyon come into the equation, as well the whole 2008 "are we elite enough" review.

It's one thing to accumulate talented players. Ross was a big part of the reason that we went from having talented players to having a great team.

 

[Mesc]

Average Freo side?

You made a GF and then finished top of the ladder 2 years later. That wasn’t all down to Ross.

Easily the best side Freo have ever had - way above average.

A team of champions or a champion team ? I choose the latter. And i know many will disagree with me but Ross was at the peak of his coaching at this stage and aside from the odd player peaking it was all down to him.

 

[Freomaniac]

He is 53 years old. turns 54 in november.

Funny that during the 2009 grand final, he was broke due to stupid fiancial decisions.

He then comes to freo and from 2012-19, is Paid 1 million a year. Sure, some of that cash is taxed. But being on a decent amount of cash for 8-9 years at the dockers, you think Ross Lyons fiances are secured to the point he doesnt have to work again, despite working on footy classified and doing radio coverage.

I dont think he will coach again sadly.

If he does, its likely to be a Victorian side.

Saints had a 4 year finals run under him. Freo got a 4 year finals run under him.

So heres the Question.... If you want him to get you to a narrow grand final loss and get a 3-5 year finals run out of the club and let him "destroy" the club and get the next coach to do a rebuild or finish in the bottom 6 for 4-5 years after a 3-5 year stretch of finals, yeah then get ross lyon.

 

[BlueandGoldforever]

I hope not.

 

[Freomaniac]

Yep, he's a finisher . Would totally suit a team like GWS. He took an average Freo to a GF... he could do wonders to a team like the Giants.

Reminded me of the Chris Connolly era. Only difference Connolly got us finals In 2003 and 2006. Lyon got us finals from 2012 to 2015

 

[Yojimbo]

The way football is being played at the moment i am not sure Ross Lyon ever left the building, almost a reason to watch Footy
Classified and i mean almost.

 

[queensberryrules]

Ross could have easily won 2 flags if Milne's bounce had gone the other way, and if Fyfe had spent the money on a course at the McKenna Kicking Academy. Ahh, such is life.

Ross should coach again, he is ready made and could do well at several clubs. However, the longer he is out of the game the less relevant he will become.

 

[David Bondo]

It's more Pavlich as a forward who went missing in the 2013 GF not Fyfe. Pavlich shanked a couple in the first half. No excuse from your key forward.

I don't see what Lyon has brought to the game especially in the past five years where it seems he was routinely outcoached, made bizarre selections and delistings (getting rid of Crozier and Sam Collins while keeping guys like Ballantyne), sexually harassed a staff member resulting in a hush money payment.

Think about 2018 where he had Fyfe, Neale, Brad Hill in the middle and still had 22 or 23 straight goals kicked on that midfield against a mid table Geelong team.

People point to a couple of close GFs, but he also got to those GFs by scraping by in some close finals. Bulldogs threw that 2009 PF away.

Grant Thomas was a kick away from a home GF against Brisbane in 2004, up at 3/4 time against Sydney in the 2005 PF would have had a home GF against West Coast.

 

[master bate]

It's more Pavlich as a forward who went missing in the 2013 GF not Fyfe. Pavlich shanked a couple in the first half. No excuse from your key forward.

I don't see what Lyon has brought to the game especially in the past five years where it seems he was routinely outcoached, made bizarre selections and delistings (getting rid of Crozier and Sam Collins while keeping guys like Ballantyne), sexually harassed a staff member resulting in a hush money payment.

Think about 2018 where he had Fyfe, Neale, Brad Hill in the middle and still had 22 or 23 straight goals kicked on that midfield against a mid table Geelong team.

People point to a couple of close GFs, but he also got to those GFs by scraping by in some close finals. Bulldogs threw that 2009 PF away.

Grant Thomas was a kick away from a home GF against Brisbane in 2004, up at 3/4 time against Sydney in the 2005 PF would have had a home GF against West Coast.

The McPharlin 50m penalty was the biggest mistake in the first quarter. Howling breeze to Freo's end, even Buddy was 100-1 to kick it from outside 50.

Crozier left to go home didn't he? That's a reality for any club. Ross had him playing some decent footy down back before he went. Collins is an odd one, I thought he was worth persisting with but no other club picked him up either, just a strange story all round. 18 clubs stuffed up there, including Gold Coast!

Ballantyne is one of those club men you keep a year or two just to have around. Sandi too. No one can accuse Freo of not turning over enough of the list lately.

Ross committed to the rebuild and doing it properly with a lot of young talent. Isn't that what every club wants of an experienced coach without the reputation of doing a rebuild? I thought for most of last year they played pretty honest footy especially when they didn't have too many injuries.

If you look at the win totals from 17/18/19 when they've been firmly established in a rebuild they've actually done a far better job winning games than a lot of clubs. Fyfe, Neale, Hill, Walters, Mundy are probably a big reason for that but the injuries/lack of talent to tall players and overall lack of skill across the ground at times it's been a pretty good effort that they even won more than 5 games in some years.

 

[Freomaniac]

It's more Pavlich as a forward who went missing in the 2013 GF not Fyfe. Pavlich shanked a couple in the first half. No excuse from your key forward.

I don't see what Lyon has brought to the game especially in the past five years where it seems he was routinely outcoached, made bizarre selections and delistings (getting rid of Crozier and Sam Collins while keeping guys like Ballantyne), sexually harassed a staff member resulting in a hush money payment.

Think about 2018 where he had Fyfe, Neale, Brad Hill in the middle and still had 22 or 23 straight goals kicked on that midfield against a mid table Geelong team.

People point to a couple of close GFs, but he also got to those GFs by scraping by in some close finals. Bulldogs threw that 2009 PF away.

Grant Thomas was a kick away from a home GF against Brisbane in 2004, up at 3/4 time against Sydney in the 2005 PF would have had a home GF against West Coast.

To this day.... Despite kicking the 1st 3 goals of that infamous cats game in Geelong, I think freo tanked that game and the magpies at home the next week knowing they would trade their pick 6, in which they did.

 

[David Bondo]

To this day.... Despite kicking the 1st 3 goals of that infamous cats game in Geelong, I think freo tanked that game and the magpies at home the next week knowing they would trade their pick 6, in which they did.

Well that's even more scandalous if he fixed matches. He should be thrown out of the sport for life.

 

[Freomaniac]

Well that's even more scandalous if he fixed matches. He should be thrown out of the sport for life.

It wasnt like we tanked like carlton in 2007 where carlton lost the last 11 game of the season to go 4-18 and get 2 picks in the top 5.

Again... freo ended up with 8 wins and 14th spot and pick 5, well pick 6 with the suns getting an early 1st round pick. hence freo did that massive trade in trading pick 6 and 2019 3rd rounder to port for picks 11, 23, 31 and 49.

Dont blame freo doing that trade as they only walked in with picks 5, 77, 95 and 113, so basically a 1st, 5th, 6th and 7th rounder.

 

[Tugga27]

Reminded me of the Chris Connolly era. Only difference Connolly got us finals In 2003 and 2006. Lyon got us finals from 2012 to 2015

Can't compare the two.

Lyon is an excellent coach whereas Connolly was a spud.

Lyon has always said he is a career coach and I reckon he will coach again.

 

[David Bondo]

It wasnt like we tanked like carlton in 2007 where carlton lost the last 11 game of the season to go 4-18 and get 2 picks in the top 5.

You've just admitted Ross Lyon fixed matches.

Jaidyn Stephenson was thrown out of the game for half a season for a $10 bet.

Ross Lyon is throwing games of footy.

 

[Freomaniac]

Can't compare the two.

Lyon is an excellent coach whereas Connolly was a spud.

Lyon has always said he is a career coach and I reckon he will coach again.

Suprisingly, yes you can.

Connolly played bugger all youth from 2003-2007. Look at freos 2003 draft.

Ryley dunn: debut in 2004.

David Mundy: debut in round 7 2005

Adam Campbell: debut in 2006

Brett Peake debut in 2005.

Michael Johnson was a PSD pick in 2004 and didnt debut in 2005.

Ryley dunn was injury prone. but was the only bloke that had debut games the next season.

the other players didnt debut in 2005 after a full season in the WAFL in 2004.

Point is every other club would of got 3-6 players each in that 2003 draft and would of given debut games to most of them in 2004.

People bag out Ross Lyon for not developing youth. Connolly was much worse.

Also, freo traded picks 11, 27, 43 for a 24 year old Josh Carr in 2004. Yay Freo youf policy.

 

[Tugga27]

Suprisingly, yes you can.

Connolly played bugger all youth from 2003-2007. Look at freos 2003 draft.

Ryley dunn: debut in 2004.

David Mundy: debut in round 7 2005

Adam Campbell: debut in 2006

Brett Peake debut in 2005.

Michael Johnson was a PSD pick in 2004 and didnt debut in 2005.

Ryley dunn was injury prone. but was the only bloke that had debut games the next season.

the other players didnt debut in 2005 after a full season in the WAFL in 2004.

Point is every other club would of got 3-6 players each in that 2003 draft and would of given debut games to most of them in 2004.

People bag out Ross Lyon for not developing youth. Connolly was much worse.

Also, freo traded picks 11, 27, 43 for a 24 year old Josh Carr in 2004. Yay Freo youf policy.

I've already told Connolly was a spud.
I don't need a history to confirm it.

Lyon gave Freo one thing they never had, and that was credibility.

 

[David Bondo]

Suprisingly, yes you can.

Connolly played bugger all youth from 2003-2007. Look at freos 2003 draft.

Ryley dunn: debut in 2004.

David Mundy: debut in round 7 2005

Adam Campbell: debut in 2006

Brett Peake debut in 2005.

Michael Johnson was a PSD pick in 2004 and didnt debut in 2005.

Ryley dunn was injury prone. but was the only bloke that had debut games the next season.

the other players didnt debut in 2005 after a full season in the WAFL in 2004.

Point is every other club would of got 3-6 players each in that 2003 draft and would of given debut games to most of them in 2004.

People bag out Ross Lyon for not developing youth. Connolly was much worse.

Also, freo traded picks 11, 27, 43 for a 24 year old Josh Carr in 2004. Yay Freo youf policy.

Connolly inherited a 2 win team that was in massive debt. He had them winning 14 games in his second season. It was an incredible effort. Ross Lyon took over a team that 12 months before had been to the second weeks of the finals after rebuilding in 2009.

 

[Freomaniac]

I've alrady told Connolly was a spud.
I don't need a history to confirm it.

Lyon gave Freo one thing they never had, and that was credibility.

fair enough. Just reminding you Connolly underachieved

 

[Freomaniac]

Connolly inherited a 2 win team that was in massive debt. He had them winning 14 games in his second season. It was an incredible effort. Ross Lyon took over a team that 12 months before had been to the second weeks of the finals after rebuilding in 2009.

8.1 million in debt in 2001. Sure winning games did help.

but you forgot.... Rick Hart our president at the time lured sponors like LG at the time