Politics Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19): The politics thread

[Crankyhawk]

128 thousand deaths in usa divided by 2.6 million infections gives you a mortality rate of 4.9 percent. You can make a case infections are multiple fold higher while deaths are only a small amount higher. But that doesnt change how deadly the disease is. Well actually it makes it a tad more deadly. And thats if we ignore the fact that if we measured covid deaths in the same way as flu deaths then covid deaths would be multiple times higher.

I think the justaflu side distrust the USA death figures (they cite a belief that USA hospitals are financially incentivised to report a death as covid on “clinical grounds” without a test - might be the only way they get payment for an uninsured patient)
It is probably accurate to use the Australian case fatality rate - we have had a strong testing regimen and don’t have perverse financial incentives

 

[Les Malone]

Gee what a surprise! ......

Government stops publishing daily coronavirus death toll over accuracy concerns

Matt Hancock ordered a review of the figures after academics sounded the alarm

www.independent.co.uk

The UK government has halted the publication of the daily number of coronavirus deaths over concerns that "statistical flaws" might be rendering the data inaccurate.

The pause in publication was decided by the Department of Health and Social Care after the health secretary, Matt Hancock, ordered a review into the figures.


A study by academics published late this week suggested that the toll is subject to "over-exaggeration" because of the way Public Health England (PHE) measures deaths.

 

[CatFan79]

"Comments made by the chief health officer to the media have suggested that it may even be that every case of COVID-19 in Victoria in recent weeks could be sourced to the hotel quarantine program," Mr Neal said.

The fact we're still 'importing' this virus is unbelievable.

Why the f- wasn't our border closed back in March-April?

 

[Les Malone]

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

The fact we're still 'importing' this virus is unbelievable.

Why the f- wasn't our border closed back in March-April?

Can't refuse entry to our citizens

 

[CatFan79]

Can't refuse entry to our citizens

Should be cleansed on Christmas Island before entry.

 

[Deliverance]

Should be cleansed on Christmas Island before entry.

Feds dropped the ball on that.

 

[Seeds]

the flu .....

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Hoe many people died of the flu in florida in july? Im guessing less then 10

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Feds dropped the ball on that.

could you imagine the reaction of white aussies being housed in chrissy island? they lost their s**t being in the Hyatt

 

[Seeds]

PETER HITCHENS: Face masks turn us into voiceless submissives - and it’s not science forcing us to wear them, it’s politics - Mail Online - Peter Hitchens blog

PETER HITCHENS: Face masks turn us into voiceless submissives - and it’s not science forcing us to wear them, it’s politics

hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk

Here is a clue. On July 12, Deborah Cohen, the medical correspondent of BBC2’s Newsnight, revealed an astonishing thing. The World Health Organisation (WHO) had reversed its advice on face masks, from ‘don’t wear them’ to ‘do wear them’.
But the key fact was that it had not done so because of scientific information – the evidence had not backed the wearing of face coverings – but because of political lobbying.


In March, the WHO had said: ‘There is currently no evidence that wearing a mask (whether medical or other types) by healthy persons in the wider community setting, including universal community masking, can protect them from infection with respiratory viruses, including Covid-19.’

The American TV news channel CNN reported on March 31 that Mike Ryan, executive director of the WHO health emergencies programme, had said at a briefing in Geneva: ‘There is no specific evidence to suggest that the wearing of masks by the mass population has any potential benefit.
‘In fact, there’s some evidence to suggest the opposite in the misuse of wearing a mask properly or fitting it properly.’


Earlier that same month, England’s chief medical officer, Chris Whitty, had said that wearing face masks would do little to combat the outbreak.
While noting that if someone was infected, they might reduce the danger of spreading the disease by covering their faces, Prof Whitty said wearing a face mask had almost no effect on reducing the risk of contracting the illness.

He stated: ‘In terms of wearing a mask, our advice is clear: that wearing a mask if you don’t have an infection reduces the risk almost not at all. So we do not advise that.’

Um thats not the reason to where masks. Do you still not get the reason why? Its not to protect you from other people who could have it. Its to protect other people from you in case you have it.

 

[Les Malone]

Um thats not the reason to where masks. Do you still not get the reason why? Its not to protect you from other people who could have it. Its to protect other people from you in case you have it.

Thirdly, it was the crowning of stupidity to claim that someone could have Covid-19 without any symptoms at all or even to pass the disease along without showing any symptoms whatsoever.

 

[Seeds]

Thirdly, it was the crowning of stupidity to claim that someone could have Covid-19 without any symptoms at all or even to pass the disease along without showing any symptoms whatsoever.

Ok sure. I will listen and believe you rather then all the medical people I know who all state the opposite.

 

[Les Malone]

Ok sure. I will listen and believe you rather then all the medical people I know who all state the opposite.

prove that asymptomatic spread occurs - i will wait and wait and wait

 

[Seeds]

prove that asymptomatic spread occurs - i will wait and wait and wait

Define your interpretation of asymptotic?

 

[Les Malone]

Define your interpretation of asymptotic?

what ?

 

[Seeds]

what ?

Dont be so stupid. Answer the question?

 

[Les Malone]

Dont be so stupid. Answer the question?

i looked up what that meant and ......

 

[Les Malone]

what ?

what in the hell do you think asymptomatic means ?

 

[Les Malone]

still waiting ..... Seeds

 

[Seeds]

still waiting ..... Seeds

You bored me so much with your refusal to answer a basic question that I went over and posted in the GD forum ffs. In a thread about effing dogs.

 

[Les Malone]

You bored me so much with your refusal to answer a basic question that I went over and posted in the GD forum ffs. In a thread about effing dogs.

so where is all the proof, you leave it over there ?

 

[Rob R]

Should be cleansed on Christmas Island before entry.

Hotels close to home are easier and cheaper and there were enough rooms, was working too until Dan stuffed up and ignored the warnings.

On SM-G570F using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Todman]

 

[Les Malone]

Nine out of ten leading causes of death were below average in June - or were they just wrongly attributed to covid?

On the 17th July the Office for National Statistics published this astonishing chart :[1] The Daily Mail were quick to point out that in June, covid was the third most significant cause of death [2] but no one seems to have drawn much attention to the most startling aspect of …

inproportion2.talkigy.com

In June all the normal leading causes of death were killing significantly fewer people than the five year average.

Are all the causes of death magically declining while covid grows?

 

[Seeds]

so where is all the proof, you leave it over there ?

I cant answer the question until you tell me what your definition of asymptotfzzzic is?