Mega Thread Port Forum 'General AFL Talk' Thread Part 15

[Port 2004]

'The young Port team' a bigger myth than Atlantis and so obvious that even Blighty highlights it correctly in his old nutter ramblings.

Each to their own.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Sainters position I see as being similar to what we did when we brought in Mots, Watts and Rocky. We brought them in to take our shot in 2018 & 2019 because we thought that was our time.

They brought in Hill, Ryder, Jones, Butler, to compete in the next year or two.

 

[tribey]

Each to their own.

Facts aren’t a democracy though.

 

[PatientMental]

Each to their own.

This is not an opinion though, you can't say 'each to their own' when it's fact. We're not a young list or a young squad. Our 22 with kids is hilariously offset by a bunch of blokes above 28 years old and 150 games.

Just yikes.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

Brisbane and West Coast now favorites to play in the GF.

 

[Port 2004]

'The young Port team' a bigger myth than Atlantis and so obvious that even Blighty highlights it correctly in his old nutter ramblings.

I happen to

'The young Port team' a bigger myth than Atlantis and so obvious that even Blighty highlights it correctly in his old nutter ramblings.

I happen to see it differently. What I recognise is that we can build a successful team around the quality of our younger group. Sure we have a few players in their twilight no doubt. But this constant banging on about this ageing group is crap. You can have a whole heap of young players, but are they any good. The focus purely on age is a load of bullshit as it also comes down to talent. The way the afl is these days, success is a whole lot more that constantly getting first round draft picks. If we can replace some of our ageing players with decent free agents etc over the next couple of years, then with the quality of our younger players we can challenge. But to suggest we will fall off a cliff is total bs.

 

[PatientMental]

Are people thinking Trent McKenzie and Sam Mayes bring our age/experience number because they assume they aren't both 100 game players?

 

[Port 2004]

Yeah, I assume this was directed at me? I do try to deal in fact and not the mythological narrative the club has been peddling for the past couple of years that would have dullards and simps believe we’re a team overflowing with raw children, and not one that up until recently was running with the third oldest lineup behind Hawthorn and Geelong.

Me too. See my post above.

 

[Port 2004]

This is not an opinion though, you can't say 'each to their own' when it's fact. We're not a young list or a young squad. Our 22 with kids is hilariously offset by a bunch of blokes above 28 years old and 150 games.

Just yikes.

No one is suggesting that we are an ultra young group. But we do have a lot of young talent that we can build a decent team around going forward.

 

[PatientMental]

No one is suggesting that we are an ultra young group. But we do have a lot of young talent that we can build a decent team around going forward.

Do we? We have a lot of young players, but are they any good? We don't know because Ken aint picking them over the geriatric brigade.

 

[JUSTWORK]

Bennell misses an easy one, Bris run it down an Cameron slot it at the other end. Bris out by to 19 point, massive error.

 

[HighBudget]

The saints fielded:
a younger squad.
a less experienced squad.
a squad full of players with 1 win at AO in their careers.
a squad who fisted an older more experienced 22.

You forgot
One clearly biased umpire

 

[Amarula]

Collin

Gawn is looming as a major problem for Port.Marshall and Paddy are stars but Gain is better again.

Doesn't seem to bother Brisbane much, they'e smashing the clearances despite their ruck getting pantsed.

 

[JUSTWORK]

Doesn't seem to bother Brisbane much, they'e smashing the clearances despite their ruck getting pantsed.

Their Midfield isn't prone to not turning up and being mentally weak like ours.

 

[gtrxuone]

oouch Bennell missed a sitter with Melbourne coming hard at Brisbane .And Cameron showed him how it's done at the other end of the ground.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Port 2004 tribey neither of you are wrong. We can be an old team on average while still fielding a number of young players. Both of those things can be true at the same time.

We played Rozee, Butters, Duursma, Marshall, Ladhams, Georgiades, Houston, Powell-Pepper, Farrell last night, we would've played Burton if he wasn't injured. Plenty of clubs would kill to have 10 U23 players of that quality. But our average age and experience gets dragged up by the fact that we also have a lot of guys at the other end of their careers, and very little in between.

 

[tribey]

But to suggest we will fall off a cliff is total bs.

Ages as of Round 1, 2021

Westhoff: 34
Gray: 33
Boak: 32
Ebert: 31
Rockliff: 31
Hartlett: 30
Dixon: 30
Jonas: 30
Motlop: 30
Watts: 30
McKenzie: 29

But hey, because we’re playing around 6-8 guys who are Under 23 each week (just like everyone else) we’ll not only be fine, but be even better than the past 5 years?

 

[Port 2004]

Port 2004 tribey neither of you are wrong. We can be an old team on average while still fielding a number of young players. Both of those things can be true at the same time.

We played Rozee, Butters, Duursma, Marshall, Ladhams, Georgiades, Houston, Powell-Pepper, Farrell last night, we would've played Burton if he wasn't injured. Plenty of clubs would kill to have 10 U23 players of that quality. But our average age and experience gets dragged up by the fact that we also have a lot of guys at the other end of their careers, and very little in between.

Spot on. Great post

 

[JimmyBC]

We have that high draft pick water skiing guy in the prime age bracket though.

 

[PatientMental]

We have that high draft pick water skiing guy in the prime age bracket though.

And his top 10 draft pick mate.

 

[gtrxuone]

Doesn't seem to bother Brisbane much, they'e smashing the clearances despite their ruck getting pantsed.

Melbourne are a very frustrating side but.Weiderman has missed 4 shots 35 m out from goal.Bennell Gawn himself and a few others.The Dees have had more than enough quality footy fwd but have just blew it.

 

[tribey]

Port 2004 tribey neither of you are wrong. We can be an old team on average while still fielding a number of young players. Both of those things can be true at the same time.

We played Rozee, Butters, Duursma, Marshall, Ladhams, Georgiades, Houston, Powell-Pepper, Farrell last night, we would've played Burton if he wasn't injured. Plenty of clubs would kill to have 10 U23 players of that quality. But our average age and experience gets dragged up by the fact that we also have a lot of guys at the other end of their careers, and very little in between.

We basically have the same team age profile as Brisbane.

 

[Port 2004]

Ages as of Round 1, 2021

Westhoff: 34
Gray: 33
Boak: 32
Ebert: 31
Rockliff: 31
Hartlett: 30
Dixon: 30
Jonas: 30
Motlop: 30
Watts: 30
McKenzie: 29

But hey, because we’re playing around 6-8 guys who are Under 23 each week (just like everyone else) we’ll not only be fine, but be even better than the past 5 years?

Very selective posting just to support your argument. Schulzenfest post is more reflective of the true position of our list.

 

[Schulzenfest]

I also think age is a better measure than experience. The Saints have a ton of mature age pickups like Marshall, Butler, Wilkie, Hind, Parker who are already in their mid 20's but who were late starters at AFL level, so still sneak into the under 50 games category.

 

[Port 2004]

We basically have the same team age profile as Brisbane.
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What is this obsession with age? A number of the guys in your list did not even play last night.