List Mgmt. Contracts. Trades. Draft. Other Assorted Crap. 2020 Edition

[Rowan18]

JJ from the Bulldogs is one fella I would love at the Eagles. His run would do wonders from our back half. Bring him back home.

He had 6 months of hype after winning the norm smith and the dogs signed him on stupid money. Hasn't done much since as everyone realised he was weak as piss, so they just put a defensive forward on him.

Bulldogs are still no chop in my view. Poorly coached and soft when it counts. Will finish just in or out of the 8 and fail to do much again.

 

[insidious]

We a guaranteed a flag if we sign up another rioli

 

[Obeanie1]

Lions have already been discussing with North this week over their price on B.Brown - media release of the 'war chest' available is to keep pressure on the Kangaroos and remind them that Brisbane has other options available that can be explored. Brisbane willing to offer two first round picks (one this year, one next year) but want an agreement in place quickly so they can move on to other targets and renewals.

Pies would also be chasing him surely.

Most sides would.

I like the Lions option. My 2nd side. Then we can watch the Lions take a flag or two off the Pies again.

 

[Obeanie1]

Guys should bring in Daniel Rioli? He's at a cheap price at the moment? Might take a second rounder but worth it because our small fwd are so thin.

Tigers about to land Maurice Jrn as a father son.

They wont be trading his cousin will they.

Marketing dream and he's a class player when in form.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Pies would also be chasing him surely.

Most sides would.

I like the Lions option. My 2nd side. Then we can watch the Lions take a flag or two off the Pies again.

Pies salary cap will be at bursting point to retain Grundy and degoey.

I highly doubt they could fit in brown . Don't think they have the pick capital either to land him .

Collingwood would be scary good with brown

 

[Cuzz09]

he's a class player when they're winning.

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[LewyBroome]

For anyone wanting to follow some local Colts likely to be in draft contention, here is a Draft Central view of what WA's best team may look like.

Grainger Barras looks like a top 10 with Trew and O'Driscoll starting to get some attention


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Michael Mallard From West Perth looks like a massive ruck talent, I'd hope to see him get a game with the squad

 

[Obeanie1]

Pies salary cap will be at bursting point to retain Grundy and degoey.

I highly doubt they could fit in brown . Don't think they have the pick capital either to land him .

Collingwood would be scary good with brown

Can see the Pies reluctantly giving up De Goey to get the $ and picks for Brown.

Club may need to make a tough call on player 'culture' and he will be let go.

Big call yes but a chance the cards fall that way at this time.

 

[Obeanie1]

Michael Mallard From West Perth looks like a massive ruck talent, I'd hope to see him get a game with the squad

I hope we just hide him, pluck him up in the rookie draft and we get another Cox!

Just need those hard boarder closures past the draft.

And no, scouts from Victoria are not essencial workers.

 

[TY24]

Seriously can’t think of two teams I’d like to watch less than Sydney and Hawthorn.

 

[RanaNaved]

Saw a bit of Mainwaring today. Didn't catch the entire game, but he kicked 2 while I was there.

Good one on one, uses his body well. Looked slippery and threw in a Dusty style fend off. Kicked a nice 45m + set shot.

He is very small though, his listed height of 177cm flatters him imo. Must've been heightening on measurement day.
Doesn't look comfortable in the midfield amongst the packs and bigger bodies.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Can see the Pies reluctantly giving up De Goey to get the $ and picks for Brown.

Club may need to make a tough call on player 'culture' and he will be let go.

Big call yes but a chance the cards fall that way at this time.

I know degoey has had some issues but he is still young and a gun, brown will be 29 next year

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I hope we just hide him, pluck him up in the rookie draft and we get another Cox!

Just need those hard boarder closures past the draft.

And no, scouts from Victoria are not essencial workers.

Problem is the Vic clubs have already got their part time recruiting resources in WA. I see a few of them at Claremont games. They are open for a chat and I did so when I saw Mick Grasso representing the Western Bulldogs at Claremont Oval to watch Jordan Clarke. He was only there for one player!

So a good theory but it has been a long time since we could hide players.

 

[new breed]

Hoping Victoria can get back to normal but if Victorian borders are closed for up to 18 months it would be logical for only Victorian juniors to be eligible to be drafted by Victorian clubs ...............

 

[shooshka]

Problem is the Vic clubs have already got their part time recruiting resources in WA. I see a few of them at Claremont games. They are open for a chat and I did so when I saw Mick Grasso representing the Western Bulldogs at Claremont Oval to watch Jordan Clarke. He was only there for one player!

So a good theory but it has been a long time since we could hide players.

I wouldn't be surprised if employees like that (remote, part time recruiters) may have been the first to go with the AFL austerity measures this year (which is obviously horrible fir livelihoods, so I am not trying to make light of it).

If so, this may be a year where 'hiding' a player is more possible.

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[Rowan18]

I wouldn't be surprised if employees like that (remote, part time recruiters) may have been the first to go with the AFL austerity measures this year (which is obviously horrible fir livelihoods, so I am not trying to make light of it).

If so, this may be a year where 'hiding' a player is more possible.

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I think a lot of them are volunteers anyway. I had a PE teacher at school who scouted for the bombers and didn't get paid.

 

[Obeanie1]

Problem is the Vic clubs have already got their part time recruiting resources in WA. I see a few of them at Claremont games. They are open for a chat and I did so when I saw Mick Grasso representing the Western Bulldogs at Claremont Oval to watch Jordan Clarke. He was only there for one player!

So a good theory but it has been a long time since we could hide players.

Aware of the local scouts.

Oh well, it will help with local employment. Still dont let those Vic based scouts in though.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

If you are making the point that good mids can be drafted through the middle rounds you are correct - there are plenty of examples of this.
If you are suggesting that WC have 'missed in their drafting you are also correct.

However to sit there and name the list of players you have and label them as you have 'midfield players WC have missed is disingenuous.
1) some of them are patently not midfielders or if are - certainly not ones whose quality/ability is worth mentioning.
2) you fail to bring the whole story to the table. Parker in 2010 was highly regarded but WC felt Gaff, Darling & Lycett were better options. Would you now choose Parker ahead of any of those 3? If yes - then I disagree, if no then why bring that up as a miss?
In hindsight would WC have preferred Neale over Newman sure. I'd also like my time again in choosing Smith & Jones over Walters but that's life.
But to list a whole lot of players & suggest WC missed them is just silly & erroneous.

Yep, the point and list was to highlight there are good mids later in draft. Rather than attack our selections in recent years. I liked Brayshaw when we got him, think he would've played if he was drafted to another club but our midfield it too good to crack.
I did comment that we opted not to trade up in last years draft, but we may have but didn't have the bid successful. I know for a fact we tried to trade up a few years back for Duursma who I love but Port also wanted him. But you already know that.

I'm a massive Luke Parker fan, so I'd definitely have him over Lycett. Darling and Gaff were too good to pass on, but Parker is definitely as good. But I loved that draft year, so not complaining.

If it were me, I would've taken Constable or Worpel over Ainsworth. I also really wanted Valente over Foley but that's just a few, the rest has been brilliant.

I do also believe we our club, culture is second to none.

 

[BOND 007]

Yep, the point and list was to highlight there are good mids later in draft. Rather than attack our selections in recent years. I liked Brayshaw when we got him, think he would've played if he was drafted to another club but our midfield it too good to crack.
I did comment that we opted not to trade up in last years draft, but we may have but didn't have the bid successful. I know for a fact we tried to trade up a few years back for Duursma who I love but Port also wanted him. But you already know that.

I'm a massive Luke Parker fan, so I'd definitely have him over Lycett. Darling and Gaff were too good to pass on, but Parker is definitely as good. But I loved that draft year, so not complaining.

If it were me, I would've taken Constable or Worpel over Ainsworth. I also really wanted Valente over Foley but that's just a few, the rest has been brilliant.

I do also believe we our club, culture is second to none.

As stated previously - there are good players in the middle parts of every draft. Obviously they are there because of 'perceived flaws' so the issue for a recruiter is to look beyond what 'they can't do" and see what they "can". Often that comes down to seeing something special in parts of their play. There is also other things like opportunity and development.
Parker's good but Lycett was critical to flag in 2018 and I'm not sure WC would have won without him.

As to Ainsworth & Foley vs the other 2 mentioned - well Constable isn't playing & whilst Worpel was very good last year I don't think he'd be playing in WC's midfield in 2020. However with his performances in 2019 it's hard to argue he's not a better player than Ainsworth.

 

[Avalor]

Have we offered JK another 3 year contact yet?

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

As stated previously - there are good players in the middle parts of every draft. Obviously they are there because of 'perceived flaws' so the issue for a recruiter is to look beyond what 'they can't do" and see what they "can". Often that comes down to seeing something special in parts of their play. There is also other things like opportunity and development.
Parker's good but Lycett was critical to flag in 2018 and I'm not sure WC would have won without him.

As to Ainsworth & Foley vs the other 2 mentioned - well Constable isn't playing & whilst Worpel was very good last year I don't think he'd be playing in WC's midfield in 2020. However with his performances in 2019 it's hard to argue he's not a better player than Ainsworth.

Yeah obviously the hardest thing to do is pick who's still got loads of development left. So those mid draft can be a harder read.

I'm interested to see how Constable goes tomorrow night, he's obviously behind a few in that cats midfield but thought he might have been able to crack through the defence. I might have a Sandy dragons bias though too.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Yep, the point and list was to highlight there are good mids later in draft. Rather than attack our selections in recent years. I liked Brayshaw when we got him, think he would've played if he was drafted to another club but our midfield it too good to crack.
I did comment that we opted not to trade up in last years draft, but we may have but didn't have the bid successful. I know for a fact we tried to trade up a few years back for Duursma who I love but Port also wanted him. But you already know that.

I'm a massive Luke Parker fan, so I'd definitely have him over Lycett. Darling and Gaff were too good to pass on, but Parker is definitely as good. But I loved that draft year, so not complaining.

If it were me, I would've taken Constable or Worpel over Ainsworth. I also really wanted Valente over Foley but that's just a few, the rest has been brilliant.

I do also believe we our club, culture is second to none.

The loss of 2 early pick midfield players in Scooter and Ebert has been a major part of our midfield lacking grunt and quality in prior years. Pity we lost them although Scooter's ankle has been a a problem since he went to Geelong.

Our trading has been great with mids. Cost us some top end picks but from the Pies game on Sunday, the likes of Yeo, Kelly and Redden look astute trades. I was led to believe Wellingham was seen as a singer when we traded for him and he had a couple of good years as a back pocket. Possibly that Collingwood's inside mids were so good they made Wellers look great. He is the only mid we traded for of late that I think we got wrong.

So what about the drafting?

The drafting miss for me was in 2016 draft with taking Venables over Berry. Nothing I saw in Venables at the carnival or TAC said midfield while Jarrod Berry looked a midfielder. And yes he was named on the HBF for AA but he actually delivered some serious time and output as a midfielder in his 2 years as a 17 and 18 year old. What pissed off a number of us in 2016 was taking Gorter as a rookie when Kelly was showing promise at WAFL. Gorter was a safe bet being a well behaved Scotch boy and conveniently at East Perth with some understanding of our team defence but it felt to me a big mistake a the time. We had enough third tall defenders FFS. There were at least 2 posters calling for Kelly (not me sad to say) but I did go to see a Sth Freo game and saw what they were calling out for. If we could add something to the recruitment team, it would be the balls to go for risk with late picks and the ability to see midfield capability. How much better would we have been for midfield stocks if we had of taken Kelly instead of Gorter and again in 2018 we had the chance to take Marlion Pickett.

2017 Draft. Ainsworth will always bug me as I saw him at colts and at the U18 carnival and his kicking action was obviously flawed back then. Did we screw up taking both Brander and Allen? We took 2 KPP and a forward before we took a midfielder (in what was seen as a strong midfield draft). So we did not prioritise mids. As a Claremont WAFL watcher, I was outspoken on Banfield. I can understand the criticism that he is not an elite kick so he did not fit our list needs. Why then would we go for Ainsworth who's disposal is well below that of Banfield? Both the same age and one taken in the second round and one as a rookie.

Some of our recent recruits have been overage layers. Foley, Brayshaw and Ainsworth could have all been taken the year before they were drafted. Why did we not pull the trigger with these guys as rookies earlier and avoid wasting a second rounder on an overage player?

I am actually feeling more confident (well at least in 2019 when he was playing) in XON. I believe he was taken earlier than most boards had him but he offered a skill set we needed and was looking to thin out past the point we took him in 2018. What I would like to see now is that he be given a go. Judging from Ainsworth on the weekend, I see no pointy in keeping known mediocrity in the team when you could prioritise giving a skilled player a chance at the top level. His development in the second half of 2019 was an encouragement.

In a world were we are isolated and the WA talent seems to settle well in Melbourne with few outside Perth wanting to go west, I do not believe in drafting best available and trading for needs as a hard and fast rule. I think we should place a greater emphasis at the draft on needs. But there are a load of people who would be against that.

 

[RanaNaved]

Pretty sure Sokaa Soka from East Perth colts is in the NGA.

Debuted on the weekend and had nice numbers.

15 touches, 5 marks, 5 tackles, 2 goals and 10 hitouts.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

The loss of 2 early pick midfield players in Scooter and Ebert has been a major part of our midfield lacking grunt and quality in prior years. Pity we lost them although Scooter's ankle has been a a problem since he went to Geelong.

Our trading has been great with mids. Cost us some top end picks but from the Pies game on Sunday, the likes of Yeo, Kelly and Redden look astute trades. I was led to believe Wellingham was seen as a singer when we traded for him and he had a couple of good years as a back pocket. Possibly that Collingwood's inside mids were so good they made Wellers look great. He is the only mid we traded for of late that I think we got wrong.

So what about the drafting?

The drafting miss for me was in 2016 draft with taking Venables over Berry. Nothing I saw in Venables at the carnival or TAC said midfield while Jarrod Berry looked a midfielder. And yes he was named on the HBF for AA but he actually delivered some serious time and output as a midfielder in his 2 years as a 17 and 18 year old. What pissed off a number of us in 2016 was taking Gorter as a rookie when Kelly was showing promise at WAFL. Gorter was a safe bet being a well behaved Scotch boy and conveniently at East Perth with some understanding of our team defence but it felt to me a big mistake a the time. We had enough third tall defenders FFS. There were at least 2 posters calling for Kelly (not me sad to say) but I did go to see a Sth Freo game and saw what they were calling out for. If we could add something to the recruitment team, it would be the balls to go for risk with late picks and the ability to see midfield capability. How much better would we have been for midfield stocks if we had of taken Kelly instead of Gorter and again in 2018 we had the chance to take Marlion Pickett.

2017 Draft. Ainsworth will always bug me as I saw him at colts and at the U18 carnival and his kicking action was obviously flawed back then. Did we screw up taking both Brander and Allen? We took 2 KPP and a forward before we took a midfielder (in what was seen as a strong midfield draft). So we did not prioritise mids. As a Claremont WAFL watcher, I was outspoken on Banfield. I can understand the criticism that he is not an elite kick so he did not fit our list needs. Why then would we go for Ainsworth who's disposal is well below that of Banfield? Both the same age and one taken in the second round and one as a rookie.

Some of our recent recruits have been overage layers. Foley, Brayshaw and Ainsworth could have all been taken the year before they were drafted. Why did we not pull the trigger with these guys as rookies earlier and avoid wasting a second rounder on an overage player?

I am actually feeling more confident (well at least in 2019 when he was playing) in XON. I believe he was taken earlier than most boards had him but he offered a skill set we needed and was looking to thin out past the point we took him in 2018. What I would like to see now is that he be given a go. Judging from Ainsworth on the weekend, I see no pointy in keeping known mediocrity in the team when you could prioritise giving a skilled player a chance at the top level. His development in the second half of 2019 was an encouragement.

In a world were we are isolated and the WA talent seems to settle well in Melbourne with few outside Perth wanting to go west, I do not believe in drafting best available and trading for needs as a hard and fast rule. I think we should place a greater emphasis at the draft on needs. But there are a load of people who would be against that.

Scooter was never fitting into our game style. The times he played in 2015 it was evident how we’d gone past him. His best year was always as a tagger and then he tried to become more offensive. Bad move tbh

 

[Spoon_Man]

Pretty sure Sokaa Soka from East Perth colts is in the NGA.

Debuted on the weekend and had nice numbers.

15 touches, 5 marks, 5 tackles, 2 goals and 10 hitouts.

Is he a ruckman or key position?