8 years, but yeah I think we got our draft pick's worth out of him. Even though he knew from the start of the year that he was leaving, you can't have a go at him for half-arsing anything given that he won the B&F on his way out the door. And while we got a better return in the trade than we would have got as FA compensation, the problem is that we squandered it on Milera (looked like he'd be good early, but hasn't progressed since) and Menzel as well as wasting list space on Dean Gore.
List Mgmt. Time to demand Reid and Co. to be sacked.
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8 years, but yeah I think we got our draft pick's worth out of him. Even though he knew from the start of the year that he was leaving, you can't have a go at him for half-arsing anything given that he won the B&F on his way out the door. And while we got a better return in the trade than we would have got as FA compensation, the problem is that we squandered it on Milera (looked like he'd be good early, but hasn't progressed since) and Menzel as well as wasting list space on Dean Gore.
Danger is from Moggs Creek?!?!?!?!
There isn't a single person who follows the AFL who isn't aware of this.
Ok then lets compare his drafting to Richmond or WCE or Geelong or Collingwood then, see how it stacks up.
Yep which makes it a great PR excuse, it doesn't make it the actual reason.
Except Brisbane’s midfield includes Neale (pick in the 40s), Berry (picked in the teens, after Gooch...), Zorko (a zone selection), Lyons (who we turfed for 43), Mitch Robinson (freebie) and CEY (free agent, original a pick in the 60s).
Only single digit draftee in their midfield is McCluggage.
Hamish has had a top ten pick in each of the last two drafts, one of them a top 5 pick. Long way to go but both currently look like spuds.
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Fish was pick 6, and like you said, a long was to go to be making assumptions on 195cm KP players
What was his alternative in the Danger trade? That was a win win for both clubs.
The alternative would have been for him to walk as a free agent.
The deal was widely applauded at the time by people in and out of the club. It is the curse of free agency where players have all the power nowadays.
Jerka is a another thing entirely? He was toxic and needed to go at the end of last year. The club knew that and the footy world knew that. No-one wanted him except the Cats who haven't even bothered to use him he is that useless.
His 5 year contract deal in 2016 was also a knee jerk reaction to Brisbane's attempted grab (real or not it was still news at the time). It was good PR for the club to retain a key forward when we were clearly in a 5 year premiership window at the time. It nearly worked for us in 2017 after all.
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Jekins was actually put into the Leadership team. Was someone asleep at the wheel to allow this to even happen.
I think most of that is pretty fair. What gets in my grill is the holier than though halo which seems to surround Hamish and to a lesser extent Reid.
I’ve never thought Hamish has done a particularly bad job, I’ve certainly never thought he should be replaced. I don’t think he’s the genius people seem to think he is though. Lots of good lower picks and rookie picks - not so great with the higher end picks. It deserves questions- does he need more assistance?
Reid has got some decent deals done, but IMO the Gibbs fiasco taints him. Not just the 2017 period either but the 2016 fiasco where we ballsed the trade. It’s commonly accepted that Fagan carries the blame. I think Reid was too close to the whole thing with Gibbs a long standing client of his. He was conflicted and I would be very surprised if he didn’t have more to do with it than we commonly accept.
As you well know we are very much in agreement over issues of poor development, particularly Gallucci. But carving out Reid and Hamish when analysing the state of the list is counter intuitive.
We’d sure as hell be slapping them on the back if we were top.
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We don't pay the right players well and we overpay the wrong players.
We pay players who aren't in our top 10 too much, meaning we can only attract B and C grade players because thy are being paid more than market rates.
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What was the alternative in the Lever trade...we managed to get a good return on that one. Why couldn't we do it with the best player in the comp?
People here keep saying Reid did a crap job on the Keath trade, they need to look back at what I would say in our worst trade in history (Dangerfield) and analyse that one.
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Tastes like all the other club's pies.
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Is your point that we shouldn't be using top end picks on mids?
geez he looks 30 there already lol
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So that would be a list management problem then? One That has led to not only losing quality players and not being able to attract good one?
Glad to see you on board.
Well that's not exactly fair with Neale, you have to factor in what Brisbane paid for him, which was two first round picks.
I think in order to evaluate Reid you need to look at the deals we didn't do as much as the ones we did.
For example with Jenkins the absurd contract we gave him is only half the picture.
What is ignored is the deal Brisbane offered us for him if we let him leave. They offered essentially a straight swap for Rockliff (some pick exchanges down the draft, but nothing major).
We had depth to cover Jenkins loss at the time of the deal, we had issues with his work rate and willingness to play the way the coaches wanted AND we had issues with our midfield at that time.
The deal was a slam dunk yet we turned it down.
Now Rockliff is far from the perfect player but we would have been a better side for every year after that trade than we ended up being with Jenkins. Including this year.
For example with Jenkins the absurd contract we gave him is only half the picture.
What is ignored is the deal Brisbane offered us for him if we let him leave. They offered essentially a straight swap for Rockliff (some pick exchanges down the draft, but nothing major).
We had depth to cover Jenkins loss at the time of the deal, we had issues with his work rate and willingness to play the way the coaches wanted AND we had issues with our midfield at that time.
The deal was a slam dunk yet we turned it down.
Now Rockliff is far from the perfect player but we would have been a better side for every year after that trade than we ended up being with Jenkins. Including this year.
And right on cue the following article grades us as F
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Is it though?
No mention of the Lever trade, McGovern or the Stocker deals.
Claims our best trade was trading Jenkins and 41 for pick 31
He's either put in little to no research or has deliberately ignored certain trades to justify giving a F grade.
Yep our trading has been it's been less than ideal, but to deliberately ignore certain trades and claim that trading Jenkins to Geelong for a 10 pick upgrade is our best trade in 10 years is clearly total BS.
