Team Mgmt. Talk about the makeup of our list - midfield balance, height profile, endurance runners

[eth-dog]

Looked a lot better with the 2017 lineup in town.

Stringer for Green and Moz for Raz is an upgrade in pressure somehow

 

[ant555]

Stringer for Green and Moz for Raz is an upgrade in pressure somehow

And the pressure is not as important if we are marking it inside 50 and kicking scores from it. Still important to have the pressure but a few strings to the bow is good.

 

[eth-dog]

And the pressure is not as important if we are marking it inside 50 and kicking scores from it. Still important to have the pressure but a few strings to the bow is good.

Oh absolutely.

 

[TheGrizz]

Stringer Daniher Mozzie
Stewart Hooker Walla

If we can keep this together long term (pleeeaaassee Joey) then that could be better than 2017.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Stringer Daniher Mozzie
Stewart Hooker Walla

If we can keep this together long term (pleeeaaassee Joey) then that could be better than 2017.

I think Stringer in particular would absolutely thrive there. Hooker doing the heavy work, Joe being Joe, Stewart the linkman... really leaves Stringer to be creative.

 

[ant555]

The 2017 band back together worked well.
Given the type of game plan we are going to be playing then we had better be looking at players who have decent running power and above average speed as far as midfield / half back types go.

 

[BomberARMY]

Surely we throw everything we possibly can to pry Dunkley out of the Dogs? Cant be happy being played as a relief ruckman when he is an absolute elite inside mid..

 

[eth-dog]

Surely we throw everything we possibly can to pry Dunkley out of the Dogs? Cant be happy being played as a relief ruckman when he is an absolute elite inside mid..

We won't get him

 

[BrunoV]

The 2017 band back together worked well.
Given the type of game plan we are going to be playing then we had better be looking at players who have decent running power and above average speed as far as midfield / half back types go.

Its speed on every line.

Defenders need it to cover each other and play 1v1.

 

[BrunoV]

Surely we throw everything we possibly can to pry Dunkley out of the Dogs? Cant be happy being played as a relief ruckman when he is an absolute elite inside mid..

I doubt Bevo loses a player he wants.

He's one of the elite brainwashers.

 

[MattyB3150]

Surely we throw everything we possibly can to pry Dunkley out of the Dogs? Cant be happy being played as a relief ruckman when he is an absolute elite inside mid..

I have often thought this myself. What is he currently on at the dogs? Doubt he would leave but you can only try. He would be perfect for our midfield.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Dunkley is contracted til 2022 and a good player. Not going anywhere.

 

[BomberARMY]

Dunkley is contracted til 2022 and a good player. Not going anywhere.

A lot of players are 'contracted' doesn't mean they're not 'gettable'.. he cant be happy with Bevo at the moment.. he can roll out the team line and say hes happy to play a role for the team, but the blokes a jet and should be played in the position he is elite.. we could give him that opportunity to be the No.1 man in the middle..

 

[eth-dog]

A lot of players are 'contracted' doesn't mean they're not 'gettable'.. he cant be happy with Bevo at the moment.. he can roll out the team line and say hes happy to play a role for the team, but the blokes a jet and should be played in the position he is elite.. we could give him that opportunity to be the No.1 man in the middle..

And how do you propose we satisfy them in a trade? Keeping in mind we can't trade our first this year or next.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

A lot of players are 'contracted' doesn't mean they're not 'gettable'.. he cant be happy with Bevo at the moment.. he can roll out the team line and say hes happy to play a role for the team, but the blokes a jet and should be played in the position he is elite.. we could give him that opportunity to be the No.1 man in the middle..

If he doesn’t want to play out of position then I wouldn’t be coming to Essendon

 

[BomberARMY]

And how do you propose we satisfy them in a trade? Keeping in mind we can't trade our first this year or next.

We can trade 1sts if we get another one in.. there's more than one way to skin a cat.. smarter people than me can come up with the hypotheticals..

 

[Towno78]

And how do you propose we satisfy them in a trade? Keeping in mind we can't trade our first this year or next.

The dogs are happy with 2 second rounders for elite talent in their prime

 

[eth-dog]

The dogs are happy with 2 second rounders for elite talent in their prime

Whilst I like that, we only have one second round pick atm...

 

[MattyB3150]

Whilst I like that, we only have one second round pick atm...

We actually have no second round picks. We traded it last year haha

 

[eth-dog]

We actually have no second round picks. We traded it last year haha

We have next year's available to trade.

 

[Seb78]

The question has been asked a million times in the last 48 hours but feel we have one more crack next year, with, or without Joe Daniher.

We have topped up and come to far with the list to all of a sudden go mini re build. We need to hope/pray that our list can finally get a healthy run at it as a group. Continuity with the top 30 players is what we are missing.

If all the players buy into it, we could maybe set the foundations to bigger and better things for the future of this group. We need to be bold though, make definitive decisions on certain players and back in the group we go forward with.

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- contracts -
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Josh Begley (Delist) - Been on the list for four years, not close to consistent senior selection even despite ACL injury. Time to move on.
Tom Bellchambers (Retire/Delist) Thanks for everything TBell but the club has found the new guy and its the perfect time to be respectable and hang the boots up.
Hanry Crauford (+1 year) I like what he can do. Would like to see him for a game or two in the seniors by years end. Has something.
Joe Daniher (+ 2 years) - A lot of our game plan and expectations revolve around this guy. If we can hold onto him for even one more year, that'd be enough for me.
Martin Gleeson (+ 1 year) Good depth in a position we have many young players in.
Noah Gown (+ 1 year) With the likely compromise of the draft, it saves him and gives him one more year.
Brayden Ham (+ 2 years) tracking nicely. Keep.
Kyle Langford (+ 3 years) - Becoming one of our most important players.
Jayden Laverde (+ 1 year) Same boat as Noah Gown. Fed up with the injuries with the compromised draft the only thing saving him.
Andrew McGrath (+ 3 years) An important cog in our midfield.
Shaun McKernan (delist) enough said
Irving Mosquito (+ 1 year) Long term prospect on the cusp of senior selection. Give him one/two years and he will prosper.
Kobe Mutch (delist) Another who has been around the cusp for a few years and even with injuries has struggled to cement his place.
Jordan Ridley (+ 5 years) Would be close to leading out best and fairest. Stud! Give the boy what he wannts.
Adam Saad (+ 3 years) Another who has been one of our best and most consistent players.
James Stewart (+ 1 year) Another who has struggled with injury (31/73 games) in recent seasons.

Mitch Hibberd (rookie - delist) if we aren't going to use him in the role he did well in last year, don't bother holding a spot on the list for him.
Tom Hird (Cat B rookie - + 1 year) long term injury, give the talented bloodlines one more year and see whay he has.
Cian McBride (Cat B rookie) developing irishman who is still essentially a free hit.
Ross McQuillan (+ 1 year) Has been the best of the irishman, could evenn debut?
Will Snelling (upgrade - + 2 years) Has shown to be a valuable contributor to our side.
Jacob Townsend (delist) thanks for coming and doing, something. But thats it.

Wouldn't be surprised to see us downgrade a Noah Gown or Dylan Clarke who is contracted but both are a fair way off.

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- trades -
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Aaron Francis (--> Adelaide)
Pick 20 (-->) Essendon


Darcy Parish (--> Geelong)
Charlie Constable + Pick 35 (--> Essendon)


Peter Wright (--> Essendon)
Pick 35 (--> Gold Coast)

That gives us a gross +/- of;

OUTS;
- Josh Begley
- Tom Bellchambers
- Shaun McKernan
- Kobe Mutch
- Darcy Parish
- Aaron Francis
- Mitch Hibberd *
- Jacob Townsend *
- Dylan Clarke (downgraded to rookie list)

INS;
Charlie Constable
Peter Wright
Pick 8;
Pick 20;
Pick 43;
Cody Brand
Will Snelling (rookie upgrade)
Rookie selection 1
Rookie selection 2


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- Drafts -
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Pick 8 - Nathan O'Driscoll (inside midfielder - 187cm/85kg)
Pick 20 - Kaine Baldwin (key forward - 193cm/92kg)
Pick 43 - Midfielder, any names??
Pick 63 - points for Cody Brand
Pick 70 - points for cody brand
Pick 71 - points for Cody Brand

Rookie selections;
- Best available midfielder
- Best available player

Next Generation Academy - Josh Eyre (195cm/79kg Key forward)


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- best 22 - (AFL)
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B. Adam Saad - Patrick Ambrose - Michael Hurley

Hb. Jordan Ridley - Cale Hooker - Mason Redman

C. Kyle Langford - Dyson Heppell - Zac Merrett

Hf. Jake Stringer - Joe Daniher - Orazio Fantasia

F. Anthony McDonald Tipungwuti - Peter Wright - Jayden Laverde

R. Sam Draper - Dylan Shiel - Charlie Constable

I/C (from); Will Snelling - James Stewart - Connor McKenna - Marty Gleeson


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- Best 22 - (VFL)
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B. Matt Guelfi - Brandon Zerk Thatcher - Lachlan Johnson

Hb. Ross McQuillan - Cian McBride - David Zaharakis

C. Brayden Ham - Dylan Clarke - Tom Cutler

Hf. Devon Smith - Noah Gown - Harrison Jones

F. Irving Mosquito - Henry Crauford - Ned Cahill

R. Andrew Phillips - Nathan O'Driscoll - ****

I/C (from) Kaine Baldwin - Tom Hird - Nick Bryan - Josh Eyre (KPF)

Cody Brand (KPD) - **** - **** - **** - ****

**** > denotes draftee unless stated name

Breaking it down;

(Key defenders)
- Michael Hurley
- Cale Hooker
- Patrick Ambrose
- Brandon Zerk Thatcher
- Cian McBride
- Cody Brand

(Medium/Small defenders)
- Adam Saad
- Jordan Ridley
- Mason Redman
- Marty Gleeson
- Connor McKenna
- Matt Guelfi
- Lachlan Johnson
- Ross McQuillan
- ****

(Big bodied midfielders)
- Dyson Heppell
- Charlie Constable
- Kyle Langford (fwd)
- Jake Stringer (fwd)
- Dylan Clarke
- Tom Cutler
- Nathan O'Driscoll
- ****

(Small bodied midfielders)
- Zac Merrett
- Dylan Shiel
- Andy McGrath
- Orazio Fantasia (fwd)
- Will Snelling (fwd)
- Devon Smith (fwd)
- Brayden Ham
- Tom Hird
- ****
- ****

(Medium/Small forwards)
- Jake Stringer (mid)
- Kyle Langford (mid)
- Jayden Laverde
- Orazio Fantasia (mid)
- Anthony McDonald Tipungwuti
- Devon Smith (mid)
- Will Snelling (mid)
- Irving Mosquito
- Ned Cahil

(Key position forwards)
- Joe Daniher
- Peter Wright
- Noah Gown
- James Stewart
- Henry Crauford (ruck)
- Harrison Jones
- Kaine Baldwin
- Josh Eyre

(Rucks)
- Sam Draper
- Andrew Phillips
- Peter Wright (fwd)
- Henry Crauford (fwd)
- Nick Bryan

Probably forgotten players in these lists at the bottom of this post but whatevs. haha
Anyways, breaking the list down, we could still use 2 x big bodied midfielders, 1 x utility (def/fwd). Would go best available later in the drafts, no need to go fancy this year.

Anyways, thoughts?!?

Surely McGrath makes your best 22?

I dunno, I just feel as if we're getting slightly raped on the Parish/Constable swap. Other than that I dont mind it.

 

[Yoda_]

Surely McGrath makes your best 22?

I dunno, I just feel as if we're getting slightly raped on the Parish/Constable swap. Other than that I dont mind it.

Massive over-site on my behalf.


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[ant555]

Going forward we are going to need Merrett to play a lot more wing on one side with Langford holding the other wing or paying half forward.
At various times one of McGrath , Sheil or Parish will have to have stints in the forward line.
That will allow us to bring in a couple of mid size to tall midfielders into the rotation.
Going forward Clarke will have to make it as a defensive half forward. Our disposal has enough issues without adding him into the midfield mix.
We have to think about who will suite the game plan so it may not be a big slow midfielder we need but more the hard running 185-188 cm type who is okay pace wise.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Set up Joe, String, Hook and Stew and *in kick it to em

Bombs away: Why Essendon must play the long game

While Joe Daniher is clearly a transformational player for the Dons, his second half rampage alone would not have been enough to bring Essendon back from six goals down against Hawthorn.

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[kelvin_sheedy]

We seriously need to talk Hooker and Hurley. imo Hooker needs to retire at the end of this year and Hurley the next. It will free up a big chunk of cap space to find replacements.

I don't think we can go on with both of them. Hooker's body is shot and there's no point in him playing half another season at reduced capacity. Hurley is similar but probably gets another year as he can still move a little better.

We have to have trust in Zerk, Ambrose, Francis, Ridley holding the fort going forward and we need to find another big defender.

If Hooker goes this year we should have decent cap space to go after a free agent. Hurley and Zaka the year after should give us an option also. We need to be aggressive and again we are at crossroads. Lets see if we have the balls to make the big decisions.