List Mgmt. Carlton's 2020 Draft Thread

[Eiffel 65]

Hmmm...

See, I don't disagree here overly. What bothers me is the low possession count combined with the low tackle numbers. I get that wasn't his game and that the juniors are not the place to look for defensive footy, but I'd want someone with his pace and power averaging 3-5 tackles a game as a mid/forward in this climate.

We need tacklers around the stoppages, especially on the second and third rings.


As I said, I'm definitely interested, and I absolutely do not want us overpaying for anyone via trade to the extent that we're no longer active in the first round. He looks like a great prospect, and that size coupled with that disposal, pace and balance is very appetizing; some of those breakaways from clearances look like early Judd.

I'm cautious on the basis of that grey area that is that vacant senior year; in that year, he could've found the next level, or he could have discovered alcohol and cigarettes, or he could've become such an intense Mormon that - like Rance - he doesn't commit to footy the same way he would've otherwise.

We'll see.

Defensive pressure is something you can develop quickly in an AFL environment. As you've identified, the key will be understanding his level of motivation and drive.

Clubs have been doing a lot of interviews. I'd back our guys in to assess his commitment levels. If there's genuine buy-in from a player like Perkins, he may be worth the risk. Character assessment is going to be massive in determining this years draft order.

At least from our perspective, there are guys who appear to be around the mark who meet the needs of what we're looking for. Means we're probably not going to be reaching if we do retain our pick in the first round.

 

[BigBreakfast]

Yea, he looks really good. Hopefully he's in the mix with our first pick.

The more footage that becomes available of the top end players in this draft, the keener I am to see us retain the pick.

The top end of this draft looks very impressive.

Every year we fall in love with this kid and that kid. We have plenty of kids, draft if no trade options present. Kemp is effectively a 1st rounder for us in 2021 and a bloody good one.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Every year we fall in love with this kid and that kid. We have plenty of kids, draft if no trade options present. Kemp is effectively a 1st rounder for us in 2021 and a bloody good one.

If we land a FA such as Zac Williams, we can potentially do both

 

[BigBreakfast]

If we land a FA such as Zac Williams, we can potentially do both

True. Ideal world this happens.

 

[DangerousD]

AFL Draft Watch: Archie Perkins (Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro)

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He looks amazing, until you look at this:

Archie Perkins

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He averages less than 15 possessions as an outside mid/forward, and less than 2 tackles a game.

Now, I'd be the first to say that he's been robbed of his senior year, so he could have come on in spades and put on some weight. He's certainly got acceleration and strength through the hips, he lands like a cat, and is extremely deft by foot. I'd almost say that he'd be a great get if we kept the pick. But there are key discrepancies; if he was doing that 25 times a game, he'd be going at pick 1.

This is something that has been raised in regards to the draft this year and relying on underage form. You’re right, 15 touches doesn’t scream star. So who out there knows what players like Butters, Dursmaa, Walsh, Rowell, Anderson, Smith and Rozee were putting up in their bottom year?

I feel we need some sort of yardstick.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

This is something that has been raised in regards to the draft this year and relying on underage form. You’re right, 15 touches doesn’t scream star. So who out there knows what players like Butters, Dursmaa, Walsh, Rowell, Anderson, Smith and Rozee were putting up in their bottom year?

I feel we need some sort of yardstick.

Player underage year
Player draft year
These stats don’t include any U18’s championship games...

Zac Butters (Western Jets)
17 games 299 poss 17.5 average
8 games 160 poss 20.0 average

Xavier Duursma (Gippsland Power)
18 games 277 poss 15.3 average
13 games 299 poss 22.8 average

Sam Walsh (Geelong Falcons)
13 games 379 poss 29.1 average
12 games 358 poss 29.8 average

Mathew Rowell (Oakleigh Chargers)
11 games 212 poss 19.2 average
7 games 222 poss 31.7 average

Noah Anderson (Oakleigh Chargers)
10 games 194 poss 19.4 average
7 games 198 poss 28.2 average

Bailey Smith (Sandringham Dragons)
12 games 291 poss 24.2 average
2 games 65 poss 32.5 average

 

[Eiffel 65]

Player underage year
Player draft year
These stats don’t include any U18’s championship games...

Zac Butters (Western Jets)
17 games 299 poss 17.5 average
8 games 160 poss 20.0 average

Xavier Duursma (Gippsland Power)
18 games 277 poss 15.3 average
13 games 299 poss 22.8 average

Sam Walsh (Geelong Falcons)
13 games 379 poss 29.1 average
12 games 358 poss 29.8 average

Mathew Rowell (Oakleigh Chargers)
11 games 212 poss 19.2 average
7 games 222 poss 31.7 average

Noah Anderson (Oakleigh Chargers)
10 games 194 poss 19.4 average
7 games 198 poss 28.2 average

Bailey Smith (Sandringham Dragons)
12 games 291 poss 24.2 average
2 games 65 poss 32.5 average

Great summary. So his stats are pretty comparable to Butters and Duursma.

If he's as good as Butters, I wouldn't be trading the pick away. Would slot into our team nicely

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Great summary. So his stats are pretty comparable to Butters and Duursma.

If he's as good as Butters, I wouldn't be trading the pick away. Would slot into our team nicely

You also got to fact in that he like most underagers they sometimes play a mixture or mainly another flank/wing position, then in their draft year they play a more predominantl position in the midfield so the spike in average possessions is due to that as well...

 

[Jimmae]

Yea, he looks really good. Hopefully he's in the mix with our first pick.

The more footage that becomes available of the top end players in this draft, the keener I am to see us retain the pick.

The top end of this draft looks very impressive.

No way this kid falls to our pick.

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A long time since I have seen a package that impressive. Closest thing I have seen to a junior Dom (albeit not a leftie), stuff Papley. Knew he
was held in high regard, but, just wow. As for not reaching our pick as suggested above, the talls available are going to be snapped up early
along with Hollands, Phillips and academy boy Campbell. JUH, McDonald, Thilthorpe, Grainger-Barass, Hollands, Phillips, Campbell, just has to
last a couple more spots.

I am really not seeing the same player you guys are.

His biomechanics suck, to the point where his burst off the mark is unreliable and his short kicking game looks suspect. Needs a lot of work on balancing out his lower body and core strength so he can graduate from mostly waddling at high speed and the slapstick-style way he throws his heel forward when kicking.

 

[Coona Blues]

I am really not seeing the same player you guys are.

His biomechanics suck, to the point where his burst off the mark is unreliable and his short kicking game looks suspect. Needs a lot of work on balancing out his lower body and core strength so he can graduate from mostly waddling at high speed and the slapstick-style way he throws his heel forward when kicking.

Speaking of slapstick, that is up there with your Tim Kelly pre draft assessment......

 

[Foucault1989]

Two words: Tom Bell.

Now it's on the kid to reach a far better ceiling.

Weird comparison. Bell was big and raw. Honey looks silky and classy.

 

[Foucault1989]

Hollands just looks good at everything. You could easily think he’s a left footer, good depth on his kicking both sides.

But he could go in the top 5 I believe. Draft watchers - any chance of sliding? Looks incredible for a pick 7

 

[TerryWallet]

FWIW, first i've seen of Perkins and i'm loathe to go off highlights vids as i prefer gauging overall game impact....but....i like his attributes.

I like his natural body work in the contest, his best kicks were when the goalposts were in his sights(love that, not scared of kicking goals) good in the air and good shrug(strong through hips). Looks a natural player who will translate to playing against the elite men.

Bit of Taranto there. A touch ungainly athletically but something about his attributes.

 

[Jimmae]

Speaking of slapstick, that is up there with your Tim Kelly pre draft assessment......

I honestly stand by my point of view on Kelly. Defensively lacking for his perceived value and age.

Outbody him at the contest, and despite great footskills, he doesn't really hurt you the rest of the match.

Weird comparison. Bell was big and raw. Honey looks silky and classy.

Similarities and game style, repeat efforts and overall footy IQ. Honey is definitely an overall upgrade though.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

Every year we fall in love with this kid and that kid. We have plenty of kids, draft if no trade options present. Kemp is effectively a 1st rounder for us in 2021 and a bloody good one.

It makes no difference whether they are from the draft or another club but both the club and the fans are too narrow focused. If we don't think we need 'em urgently enough, we don't give them enough attention. There's too many players doing well at other clubs who we were in a position to draft/recruit. We are still looking for the quick fix, even with the 'kids'.

 

[BigBreakfast]

It makes no difference whether they are from the draft or another club but both the club and the fans are too narrow focused. If we don't think we need 'em urgently enough, we don't give them enough attention. There's too many players doing well at other clubs who we were in a position to draft/recruit. We are still looking for the quick fix, even with the 'kids'.

Not sure about narrow focus, any player worth a pinch of s*** has been discussed ad neaseum and every scenario explored by someone or another. Feel free to add to the conversation, and haveca good long read.

 

[Eiffel 65]

I am really not seeing the same player you guys are.

His biomechanics suck, to the point where his burst off the mark is unreliable and his short kicking game looks suspect. Needs a lot of work on balancing out his lower body and core strength so he can graduate from mostly waddling at high speed and the slapstick-style way he throws his heel forward when kicking.

I'm not an expert on biomechanics so I guess I'll have to take your word on that.

He'll naturally develop a stronger core and greater balance from being in the system full time. There aren't many players that don't.

He looks like a guy who has multiple gears. He can glide at a high speed, but can put the afterburners on if required.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

Not sure about narrow focus, any player worth a pinch of s*** has been discussed ad neaseum and every scenario explored by someone or another. Feel free to add to the conversation, and haveca good long read.

I'm talking in terms of the last few years, I haven't been on here much this year. We bring names up and then we go off them the closer we get to trade time, then its all about whatever we need the most. Anyway, I'll go back and have a look for this year.

By the way, since when has 'salt' been a swear word?

 

[BigBreakfast]

I'm talking in terms of the last few years, I haven't been on here much this year. We bring names up and then we go off them the closer we get to trade time, then its all about whatever we need the most. Anyway, I'll go back and have a look for this year.

By the way, since when has 'salt' been a swear word?

Salt, blew it again...

 

[Jimmae]

I'm not an expert on biomechanics so I guess I'll have to take your word on that.

He'll naturally develop a stronger core and greater balance from being in the system full time. There aren't many players that don't.

He looks like a guy who has multiple gears. He can glide at a high speed, but can put the afterburners on if required.

The problem is he's not hitting that high gear very often, particularly from a standing start. That makes him slow around contests until he can build his body up in those areas (and if he can).

 

[Burgers45]

AFL set to make major changes to draft laws

AFL set to make major change to draft laws

The league is set to alter a key component of draft night.

www.zerohanger.com

 

[DangerousD]

Player underage year
Player draft year
These stats don’t include any U18’s championship games...

Zac Butters (Western Jets)
17 games 299 poss 17.5 average
8 games 160 poss 20.0 average

Xavier Duursma (Gippsland Power)
18 games 277 poss 15.3 average
13 games 299 poss 22.8 average

Sam Walsh (Geelong Falcons)
13 games 379 poss 29.1 average
12 games 358 poss 29.8 average

Mathew Rowell (Oakleigh Chargers)
11 games 212 poss 19.2 average
7 games 222 poss 31.7 average

Noah Anderson (Oakleigh Chargers)
10 games 194 poss 19.4 average
7 games 198 poss 28.2 average

Bailey Smith (Sandringham Dragons)
12 games 291 poss 24.2 average
2 games 65 poss 32.5 average

Thank you for that, it’s good to see. Let’s look at Rowell and Anderson, going off underage numbers, Rowell isn’t going 1 and Anderson isn’t going 2, massive step up from those boys.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Thank you for that, it’s good to see. Let’s look at Rowell and Anderson, going off underage numbers, Rowell isn’t going 1 and Anderson isn’t going 2, massive step up from those boys.

No problem all good...

 

[The Bighouse]

AFL set to make major changes to draft laws

AFL set to make major change to draft laws

The league is set to alter a key component of draft night.

www.zerohanger.com

No impact on us, other than trying to burn other clubs draft pick’s so far. We may have someone of note by the time changes come into play & not get the benefit that others will have reaped with the NGA.

 

[Ninja Worrier]

Twomey has Holland's at 3... obviously hasn't received jimmaes biomechanical analysis yet