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Vlandys said above re NRL if we are not careful the AFL will get a footprint in QLD. So what we have up there currently is not considered a footprint in his opinion. Was he trying to rally the troops or just does not acknowledge the AFL growth up there. What kind of presence does he think our game up there has.1. It appears very likely the AFL GF (& other Finals) will be held in Brisbane- a major boost for the AFL & GR AF in Qld.
2. WWOS Ch.9 G. Vlotis 1.9
Vlotis wrote
"ARL Commission Chairman P. V'landys says the NRL is very concerned about the state of RL in Qld., as AFL begins to make a foothold in the Sunshine State ".
V'landys said
"We're very concerned because we need a strong Broncos...the (NRL) ratings are poor, & that makes it hard to renegotiate broadcast deals...there's a big opportunity for the AFL in Qld....Their (AFL) ratings are up 20%...The Qld. viewer has viewed AFL, so we've got to take that challenge head-on in the future, because if we don't, they'll get a footprint in Qld., & we lose our second biggest market".
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3. This is a snapshot of the growth of regd. GR AF players in Qld. Despite a much delayed & shortened GR season, there are record Qld. AF jnr nos. in 2020, having already surpassed the 2019 record.
A huge upgrade to Redcliffe FC pavilion (far nthn Brisbane) is a fantastic achievement- $18.8m!
I suspect the major growth in female AF in this nthn. region (as it has all over Aust.) played a major part in this Moreton Bay Council substantial investment in AF.
In the last 5 years in the Brisbane North region:-
. the no. of Clubs are up 26%
. AF participant nos. are up 125%
. female participant nos. are up 439%
("Participant" is rubbery as it includes not only club & school comp. players: but also one-off Gala Days, community events, & short term AF school programs, which have much lower significance).
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I will add this again. Extraordinary Womens Grass roots development/numbers in QLD in had an influence on Gil in 2016 in bringing forward the AFLW from 2021. He correctly said - " We cannot let those QLD girls/women just drift of into a no footy future." He likely meant the other Womens Sports up there because 5 years is a long time at those ages.GR game development in Qld was a crucial factor in awarding the AFL GF to Brisbane.
The Age C. Wilson 19.8
Wilson said, that whilst a WA GF would be far more commercially valuable for the AFL (including far superior WA corporate spending, cf Brisbane), Brisbane had a strong chance to host the GF
Qld.'s T. Cochrane-led Bid had to convince G. McLachlan & R. Goyder that "...any short term economic benefits offered by the game's heartland state WA , & its strong corporate market, would be matched by the long term advantages presented by staging the 2020 play-off in a non-traditional town".
"...long term game development involving the game from grassroots toAFL level could prove persuasive...".
Queensland brings in heavies for grand final pitch
A working party that includes state government officials is preparing the case for the AFL finale to played at the Gabba this year.www.theage.com.au
The Age M. Gleeson 31.8
Gleeson said, re part of the reasoning why Brisbane was likely to obtain the GF.
"Qld. football has also argued that there is more intangible benefit to hosting the game in the AFL's new market...the opportunity to host games of such significance in the market, it is argued, would have a profound effect on the growth of the game there".
Brisbane favourite to stage AFL grand final
The AFL Commission will meet on Tuesday to decide the location of the grand final.
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Good work BBT. Another point is the media up there -They are right into RL and are likely to continue that way. The AFL Grand Final will obviously get media attention for a period and the media will then resume the normal business of RL.1. It is evident that GR AF Club nos. will be challenging- & might even surpass- GR contact RL Club nos. in the next 10 years in the GC-Brisbane-Sunshine Coast corridor.
Rugby League Brisbane Juniors comp. (which doesn't include Ipswich District Junior RL comp.) started 18.7. The RLBJ covers all greater Brisbane Clubs (but not schools); & doesn't cover the Gold Coast & Sunshine Coast Club comps.
The RLBJ comp. covers all ages, males & females, from U6- U18.
As of 24.7.20, re the RLBJ comp. nos. playing
"...in Brisbane alone, 498 teams... more than 5000 players, across the U6 to U12 age groups...". (Average team has 10 players per team).
Maroons flavour adds excitement to community league resurgence
Former Queensland Maroons State of Origin halfback Scott Prince will make his comeback to rugby league tomorrow as thousands of participants across the state return to the field for fixture matches.
These U6+ teams are part of the traditional, recognised contact RL pathways. Even though there is virtually no contact at the very young age groups, they are genuine RL players, & are officially recorded as such. Parents expect their kids to continue on to contact RL as they get older.
(To be distinguished from separate touch & tag non-contact players of all age groups, which the NRL includes, misleadingly, in its total Official regd. "rugby league" player nos.).
Brisbane has a pop. of c. 2.4 m. The "more than 5000 players", for RL U6- U12, is actually very small on a per capita basis- cf AF in Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne, & all of Tasmania & the NT.
GR Club Auskick & Club AF competition player nos. in Brisbane, from 5 y.o to U12 (ie a like-for-like Club comparison with RL) are growing- & approaching the 5000 RL nos.
This is a strong performance for GR AF- since RU until 1908, & RL from 1908, have been, by far, the dominant winter sports in Brisbane; & RL also dominates MSM. AF is the "newcomer" in Brisbane & Qld., yet is having significant growth (also on the GC & Sunshine Coast).
As per the link below, it should also be noted that RLBJ contact nos. begin to decline precipitously from U13- U18. (Ditto Sydney Jnr Club contact RL).
(NB: Junior GR AF goes to U17 only- U19's/Colts are part of snr AF comps.).
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Surpisingly, in the RLBJ, there are only:-
. 6 U13 Divisions
. 5 U14 ^
. 4 U15 ^
. 4 U16 ^ (total 30 teams only)
. 1 U17 ^ (12 teams only!)
. 2 U18 ^ (total 14 teams only!)
Queensland is generally considered the home of RL- NRL per capita FTA & Foxtel ratings are usually much higher, cf NSW; & Qld. usually wins the State Of Origin series.
There has been a long term significant decline in male jnr contact, & GR male snr contact, RL nos. in Brisbane, GC, & SC (& many other areas of Qld. Ditto Sydney & NSW male RL. Female contact RL is having good growth). Their future prosperity?
When will Brisbane GR AF Club player nos. (5 y.o- 17 y.o., + half of U19's) overtake RLBJ contact RL Club nos. in Brisbane?
Implications for RL & AF post 2030?
2. EDIT:
From the 2019 Queensland Rugby League Annual Report.
In 2019 in all Qld., there were
. "62,009 Registered Club Players, male & female. 0.07% growth" (For all Qld., includes juniors)
. "47,214 juniors 0.08% growth".
. "Female 29% growth, with 7459 Registered Club Players"
(There are certainly not 7459 female contact RL players in Qld. I assume, therefore, the total figure of 62,009 includes also non-contact touch/tag jnr & snr, male & female, regd. players- as well as contact RL players).
. "18,914 accredited coaches & volunteers".
. "Gold Coast juniors 5,087".
(see pgs. 2 & 28)
All these figures are underwhelming for RL, & Queensland's large population of 5,129,996 (31.12.19).
AF is very fortunate to have, by far, the largest nos. of volunteers of any sport in Australia eg Victoria alone has c. 100,000 volunteers, according to J. Niall in The Age recently.
All over Australia, it is AF's huge passionate volunteer base, most of whom are hardworking, in the GR Clubs that is the bulwark of the Australian game.
Your research and analysis is very much appreciated, even though some sentences are indecipherable to me with the amount of acronyms and abbreviations! Thanks for sharing it with us all here.1. It is evident that GR AF Club nos. will be challenging- & might even surpass- GR contact RL Club nos. in the next 10 years in the GC-Brisbane-Sunshine Coast corridor.
Rugby League Brisbane Juniors comp. (which doesn't include Ipswich District Junior RL comp.) started 18.7. The RLBJ covers all greater Brisbane Clubs (but not schools); & doesn't cover the Gold Coast & Sunshine Coast Club comps.
The RLBJ comp. covers all ages, males & females, from U6- U18.
As of 24.7.20, re the RLBJ comp. nos. playing
"...in Brisbane alone, 498 teams... more than 5000 players, across the U6 to U12 age groups...". (Average team has 10 players per team).
Maroons flavour adds excitement to community league resurgence
Former Queensland Maroons State of Origin halfback Scott Prince will make his comeback to rugby league tomorrow as thousands of participants across the state return to the field for fixture matches.
These U6+ teams are part of the traditional, recognised contact RL pathways. Even though there is virtually no contact at the very young age groups, they are genuine RL players, & are officially recorded as such. Parents expect their kids to continue on to contact RL as they get older.
(To be distinguished from separate touch & tag non-contact players of all age groups, which the NRL includes, misleadingly, in its total Official regd. "rugby league" player nos.).
Brisbane has a pop. of c. 2.4 m. The "more than 5000 players", for RL U6- U12, is actually very small on a per capita basis- cf AF in Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne, & all of Tasmania & the NT.
GR Club Auskick & Club AF competition player nos. in Brisbane, from 5 y.o to U12 (ie a like-for-like Club comparison with RL) are growing- & approaching the 5000 RL nos.
This is a strong performance for GR AF- since RU until 1908, & RL from 1908, have been, by far, the dominant winter sports in Brisbane; & RL also dominates MSM. AF is the "newcomer" in Brisbane & Qld., yet is having significant growth (also on the GC & Sunshine Coast).
As per the link below, it should also be noted that RLBJ contact nos. begin to decline precipitously from U13- U18. (Ditto Sydney Jnr Club contact RL).
(NB: Junior GR AF goes to U17 only- U19's/Colts are part of snr AF comps.).
Association: Rugby League Brisbane
Rugby League Brisbane's Competitions and Clubs
Surpisingly, in the RLBJ, there are only:-
. 6 U13 Divisions
. 5 U14 ^
. 4 U15 ^
. 4 U16 ^ (total 30 teams only)
. 1 U17 ^ (12 teams only!)
. 2 U18 ^ (total 14 teams only!)
Queensland is generally considered the home of RL- NRL per capita FTA & Foxtel ratings are usually much higher, cf NSW; & Qld. usually wins the State Of Origin series.
There has been a long term significant decline in male jnr contact, & GR male snr contact, RL nos. in Brisbane, GC, & SC (& many other areas of Qld. Ditto Sydney & NSW male RL. Female contact RL is having good growth). Their future prosperity?
When will Brisbane GR AF Club player nos. (5 y.o- 17 y.o., + half of U19's) overtake RLBJ contact RL Club nos. in Brisbane?
Implications for RL & AF post 2030?
2. EDIT:
From the 2019 Queensland Rugby League Annual Report.
In 2019 in all Qld., there were
. "62,009 Registered Club Players, male & female. 0.07% growth" (For all Qld., includes juniors)
. "47,214 juniors 0.08% growth".
. "Female 29% growth, with 7459 Registered Club Players"
(There are certainly not 7459 female contact RL players in Qld. I assume, therefore, the total figure of 62,009 includes also non-contact touch/tag jnr & snr, male & female, regd. players- as well as contact RL players).
. "18,914 accredited coaches & volunteers".
. "Gold Coast juniors 5,087".
(see pgs. 2 & 28)
All these figures are underwhelming for RL, & Queensland's large population of 5,129,996 (31.12.19).
AF is very fortunate to have, by far, the largest nos. of volunteers of any sport in Australia eg Victoria alone has c. 100,000 volunteers, according to J. Niall in The Age recently.
All over Australia, it is AF's huge passionate volunteer base, most of whom are hardworking, in the GR Clubs that is the bulwark of the Australian game.
I agree that it's much more likely for Aussie Rules participation numbers to overtake Rugby League ones, but the "battle" for the hearts of Queenslanders is a very different discussion. It'd be concerning for the NRL though, because if it keeps going in this direction, that will be the discussion in a generation or two (25-30).
The most positive thing about it is that the more people who play it the less people become hostile to it so it gives the sport a better chance to grow. By no means does it mean that the sport will explode, much like soccer hasn’t but it certainly drives a lot more general interest in the sport which it can grow from. Soccer has never managed to do this so maybe football in QLD may not be able to but it certainly gives it the best opportunity to grow the game.
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And how do you propose they do that?
TV ratings for "NRL heartland" Brisbane last night -
NRL - 116,000. AFL - 84,000.
As a comparison, in Melbourne (with more than double Brisbane's population) just 37,000 watched Storm.
Friday 4 September 2020 | TV Tonight
1 SEVEN NEWS 990,000 2 SEVEN NEWS AT 6.30 916,000 3 NINE NEWS 884,000 4 NINE NEWS 6:30 819,000 5 ABC NEWS 669,000
That's ok.
I sort of followed a little bit of soccer, and made the mistake of going on the inside sport football forums. The bile and hate they spewed forth constantly turned me off the sport.
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