The prognosis is he will be as good as new next year.Not if spends the majority of the time on the sidelines.
Talent yes, but if the prognosis is not good for a long future, you may look to get value now.
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The prognosis is he will be as good as new next year.Not if spends the majority of the time on the sidelines.
Talent yes, but if the prognosis is not good for a long future, you may look to get value now.
Weitering mckay curnow jsos cunningham and willamson were drafted at the end of 2015. Apart from this draft the other drafts have been underwhelming. The rebuild started in 2016. We are 5 years into it.Not saying there's been no improvement. You sacked the coach last year after all.
You can think of the following as percentage above or below par:
2010 +14.9
2011 +34.9
2012 -1.4
2013 -9.3
2014 -39.2
2015 -65.7
2016 -38.9
2017 -41.0
2018 -80.5
2019 -30.3
2020 -17.4
That's nine straight years below par. Next best/worst is North with six. Yes, there has been some improvement, but it's been a slow burn since Silvagni coined the "66-game rebuild" in what? April 2015?
Yes, Carlton have more cause for optimism than supporters of a few other clubs. And that hasn't been the case for a while.
Not saying there's been no improvement. You sacked the coach last year after all.
You can think of the following as percentage above or below par:
2010 +14.9
2011 +34.9
2012 -1.4
2013 -9.3
2014 -39.2
2015 -65.7
2016 -38.9
2017 -41.0
2018 -80.5
2019 -30.3
2020 -17.4
That's nine straight years below par. Next best/worst is North with six. Yes, there has been some improvement, but it's been a slow burn since Silvagni coined the "66-game rebuild" in what? April 2015?
Yes, Carlton have more cause for optimism than supporters of a few other clubs. And that hasn't been the case for a while.
The prognosis is he will be as good as new next year.
One can hope. If it was an ACL Iād be pretty flat.Time will tell.
Of course all Clubs say that about all players. Yes even my Club.
No Sam Petrevski Seton?? (Surely in the best 22 but may be pushed out by Newman, Docherty and Williamson - Then again it will be horses for courses.) So out of best 22 would be J. Silvagni, Dow, O'Brien, McGovern, Newnes, Casboult,We will be on par with 2020 St Kilda next year.
Consider our best 22, with those marked with an asterisk as "New" (Players that featured in less than 5 games this year are included, as well as hopeful blow ins)
BP: Marchbank* FB: Jones BP: Newman*
HBF: Docherty CHB: Weitering HBF: Plowman
W: E. Curnow C: Cripps W: Graham* (Rich)
HFF: Martin CHF: C. Curnow* HFF: Cunningham
FP: De Koning FF: McKay FP: Fisher
Followers: Pittonet,Z Wiliams*(GWS), S Walsh
Interchange:
Setterfield, Williamson, Murphy, Gibbons
I think it's realistic that we could obtain Jack Graham and Zac Williams, or at least one. Depending on their decisions of course. If we were to get the both of them, I really see this as a solid best 22.
The forward line is reasonably stacked, the Midfield / Wingers would be stacked. The backline outside Plowman/Williamson would be stacked too. If we couldn't finish at least 6th with that list on the park for the best part of a whole season then I'd be very disappointed. A lot of this hinges on Z Williams/Graham coming to the club of course. Or at least players of a similar ilk. Really, we can't afford not to get Williams. That transforms our center bounce team.
Obviously, we might not get anybody this trade period which would be disastrous. Our list profile is good though, of that best 22 I've highlighted you'd only have Murphy and Ed Curnow over 30 if I'm not mistaken?
yep, getting a Richmond bloke into the club who could actually pull the trigger on Bambi was a massive step forward for the Blues. SOS would still be there otherwise irrespective of performance, like Hirdy at EFC, near-untouchable by anyone with a long term association with the club.Iām tipping at least four of SOS retreads leaving the club at the end of the season.
Looking back, his talent identification of recycled players has been well below average.
Glory be. 11 years a member on here and this is your 1st post?No Sam Petrevski Seton?? (Surely in the best 22 but may be pushed out by Newman, Docherty and Williamson - Then again it will be horses for courses.) So out of best 22 would be J. Silvagni, Dow, O'Brien, McGovern, Newnes, Casboult,
Youngsters - Stocker, Philp, Ramsey, Honey, O'Dwyer, Phillips, Cottrell
Others/Could be gone - Kennedy/Lang/Betts/MacRaedie/Polson/B. Silvagni/Owies/Goddard/Moore - Assuming lists will need to be cut down
Retirees - Simmo and Kruezer
yep, getting a Richmond bloke into the club who could actually pull the trigger on Bambi was a massive step forward for the Blues. SOS would still be there otherwise irrespective of performance, like Hirdy at EFC, near-untouchable by anyone with a long term association with the club.
As you know we take our time at Carlton.Glory be. 11 years a member on here and this is your 1st post?
Carlton have the list tbh, the messaging and coaching isnāt getting the best out of them.
A fit Curnow will change a lot of things also.
As you know we take our time at Carlton.
Yeah probably an account he forgot he had. It took me two years to post but that was because i wasn't to sure of my computer skills, and as it turned out i was right to worry.I love though seeing a guy makes his first post after 10+ years joining on. Its hilarious. TBH it was a good post, obviously a backup alias.
I remember seeing one last year from 2007.
Fair enough, as I said, give us Jack Graham.Yeah Weitering has become a fine player in his own right. Just asking who the next to reach that level will be. Walsh will get there, but he's second-year. There should be others before him.
Williamson/Fisher/McKay/De Koning have polled 10 coaches votes between them. McKay and De Koning look good but might take a while to click as talls. We're still waiting for Curnow to do it consistently.
Carlton has the potential to jump up and I'm not predicting what they'll do next year. Only commenting on progress to date.
Torched Geelong on their home track for 3 quarters (almost fluffed it in the last) and smashed the dogs. Two very good scalps built on good ball use and forward efficiency.Add a fit C.Curnow, Marchbank and Fisher in that Carlton team and theyāll be much better overall. Cripps and Docherty were playing injured this year. Those two should be better next year.
Another pre-season for Walsh, Setterfield, De Koning and Cunningham. I donāt think theyāll be that bad. Thereās only one thing holding Carlton back, inconsistency.
yep, getting a Richmond bloke into the club who could actually pull the trigger on Bambi was a massive step forward for the Blues. SOS would still be there otherwise irrespective of performance, like Hirdy at EFC, near-untouchable by anyone with a long term association with the club.
Torched Geelong on their home track for 3 quarters (almost fluffed it in the last) and smashed the dogs. Two very good scalps built on good ball use and forward efficiency.
Good showings against Port and WC too.
Have also had terrible losses against your mob and Adelaide.
I think we have a system that can work, it just requires more ruthlessness when we have momentum and more importantly the ability to lock down against an opposition when they get a run on.
As you pointed out, I too see plenty of upside in the list for 2021, even before potential mature additions like Crouch and Williams etc.
At 3-3, after wins against the Dogs and Geelong, I thought we really had a good shot at a spot in the bottom half of the 8. Especially given Simpson and co would be pushing the younger guys to give them one last crack at a finals series.Stupid enough to deal in facts? Yeah that's me. 6th oldest team and 7-9 is a fail. I offered Carlton an out via COVID; suggest you take it.
But will their performance be on par with 2020 West Coast and St.Kilda? That's what my post was about. Flags aren't won by building down in age. Carlton's development relative to age is average at very best, below average if you're honest.
Obviously every supporter hopes next year is the one their team takes a leap forward.
I guess treading water in terms of ladder position is entirely possible if we project our age profile in the coming years (e.g. Freo and WB of recent years).
One can hope. If it was an ACL Iād be pretty flat.
Hmmm...It comes into play later, when Moore, DeGoey, Langdon, Crisp, Adams are a little older, when you keep buying players like Treloar for overs and you wind up needing to buy cheap options to compensate. You're lucky you've still got the remainder of 2010 around, to keep your midfield working whilst the rest develop.
Give it time.
This thread will be interesting come end of 2021 season
how so?