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Does it worry anyone else that the guys who are in the high priced free agency wars seem to have pretty crap years after their mega-deal is done? Coniglio and Grundy haven't exactly set the world alight this year. Kelly hasn't seemed to become the next amazing midfielder that everyone thought...

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Bluemour Melting Pot XXVII

As per the Bluemour File OP, this is a thread for discussing Carlton related rumours. http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/bluemour-file.1085141/ Rumour posters should post their rumours in both threads for those that like just to read rumours and for those that like to have get lost in their...

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[Blue__Balls]

More running? More pace?

I feel like I'm not catching references like I used to.

Oliver.

More.

Please sir, don't make me explain it...

 

[carlton09]

No truth to the Saad meeting.
Didnt happen
Majority Still in Queensland heading back next couple of days

 

[FairKouta]

No truth to the Saad meeting.
Didnt happen
Majority Still in Queensland heading back next couple of days

How about the cripps recruiting oliver and merett

 

[Matty411]

Is cripps really out recruiting merett and oliver

Reckon there's a good chance that he'll have had a few friendly chats with players from oppo clubs. Many are mates so no issue with a bit of informal banter and 'let me have a word to Teaguey off the record' about it. Hell, its out in the open that Eddie helped recruit Jack and played a big part in Williams choosing us. Players respect Crippa so I have no problem with him getting into the ear of the Vineys, Kellys, Tarantos and Merrett's of the world to sell them on our future/culture. In fact, I'd be disappointed if our senior players with cross-club ties weren't.

 

[jimsta10]

Sam Mclure on footy class going with Oliver not happy at Melbourne but not sure why.

Interesting.


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He loves to make a grand entrance statement then leaves us with nothing at the end.

"He's not happy at the club........but he's staying"

He said it for both Oliver and Merrett.

 

[Arr0w]

Suitably vague - I won't press further as I'm assuming you're not in a position to reveal any more.

Surreyblue is closer to the mark than most of the opinions being stated

 

[HBF]

Poster Of The Year is normally announced at the end of the year.

Has to be Thy's turn this year.

 

[RudyBlue]

Still not buying the "go to NM for security" angle.

That offer from North will be on the table for the next few years, they've always struggled to lure talent and embarking on a rebuild isn't going to help that.

If JSOS wants to stay, he stays, he's got a contract. If he wants out of the club, he goes, we wouldn't force a player on the edge of the 22 to stick around against their will. If he's unsure, the percentage play is to stick around with us for 2021, then reassess at the end of next year.

If he does elect to go, value is pretty bloody difficult to pin down.

- On the one hand, yeah, he's only an OK player and probably worth a third or even fourth round pick.

- On the other hand, he's contracted, and we can probably use that to drive the price up a little (ie. definitely a third rounder rather than a fourth).

- Chuck in a third hand, he's a Silvagni, that's a big story for North, so maybe it becomes an early third rounder.

- Fourth hand (the analogy has gone to sh*t) it's North Melbourne - they can't convince anyone of note to play for them, hell they gave up Pick 11 for Polec and Pittard only 2 years ago. I think it could be similar to GC giving up Pick 2 for Weller - sometimes when you struggle to attract talent, you get bullied into paying overs for one of the few players you can attract.

If he leaves this year, I could see us pinching a late second for JSOS, and sending something else back later in the draft.

NM have picks 2, 9, 25 (Ess), 57, and 65 (Mel).
Carlton have picks 7, 27 and 45.

JSOS and 45 for 27 could be a possibility. Or just straight up for their future third (which is likely be to in the 37-40 range) if we prefer a 2021 pick. This year I think I'd be pushing for something around Pick 30 in value, who knows what their draft hand will look like after they trade out a few other players.

In reality, it would be JSOS and 27 for 25 and 65

 

[blue89]

Reckon there's a good chance that he'll have had a few friendly chats with players from oppo clubs. Many are mates so no issue with a bit of informal banter and 'let me have a word to Teaguey off the record' about it. Hell, its out in the open that Eddie helped recruit Jack and played a big part in Williams choosing us. Players respect Crippa so I have no problem with him getting into the ear of the Vineys, Kellys, Tarantos and Merrett's of the world to sell them on our future/culture. In fact, I'd be disappointed if our senior players with cross-club ties weren't.

Get one of these type of mids and i think we had a very very solid best 22. biggest open hole would be a genuine small forward the opposition defenders get worried about.

 

[Ockhams razor]

Is cripps really out recruiting merett and oliver

Yes, and Doc also involved.

 

[HarryFlashman]

I really hope JSOS doesn’t go, another couple seasons and he will be James Hird mk2 (in playing ability, not the other crap we loathe him for).
I’m still confident he will be awesome, there is still a huge need for players who can “football”. Hope we don’t balls this up

 

[FairKouta]

Yes, and Doc also involved.

Wowsers love it leaders out and about.

 

[myblueroan]

More running? More pace?

I feel like I'm not catching references like I used to.

Life can be gruel O.D.N

 

[Kramer1]

A guy who averages ~10 disposals a game and less than a goal a game isn't worth a top 2 round pick.

Oh really?

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Whats the deal with the Saad non-meeting? Was it afl media reporting it or just rumoured (and squashed) here?

 

[Arr0w]

Cripps, Oliver, Merrett....FMD

 

[Just Kreuzing]

I really hope JSOS doesn’t go, another couple seasons and he will be James Hird mk2 (in playing ability, not the other crap we loathe him for).
I’m still confident he will be awesome, there is still a huge need for players who can “football”. Hope we don’t balls this up

FFS this place certainly love to over rate our own at times...
James Hird mk2 in playing ability....can’t be serious....surely...

 

[Limestone]

It’s more than this.

Silvagni is Carlton. Carlton is Silvagni. For a best 25 player...you find a way.

It should be important that we as a club keep him, within reason. Tradition, loyalty, etc should be valued. Unfortunately those in power look to have other agendas.

I’m guessing Hawks have regretted letting Kennedy go...beyond being a great player.

Note: I have no issue with BSOS being let go.

It was certainly in the clubs interest to use his family name and photos in all those marketing adds in his first few years. Only when it suits I suppose.

Losing Jsos makes us a little softer, his pressure and 2nd and 3rd efforts were sorely missed this year. Like we aren’t soft enough.

 

[BigFrizz36]

This..
Anything under I'll be pissed..

Jack should have a chat to polec to see how taking a longer term deal with more money at north works out.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Cripps, Oliver, Merrett....FMD

What would we have to trade to bring them in?

 

[Blue__Balls]

In reality, it would be JSOS and 27 for 25 and 65

You're missing my point. that should be a no-deal from us. North aren't in a position of power to be taking a contracted player on the edge of the starting side for the equivalent of Pick 60.

 

[BIuebagger]

Yes, and Doc also involved.

holy s**t

 

[Sector 7G]

Yes, and Doc also involved.

Did it take place at 2am at Melba's?

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Harks, I get the feeling your setting Surry up for a harden the fu** up reminder. The kid was publicly humiliated by the Richmond bloke. Don't get fooled by the bullshit being spruced by teagueyubeauty insofar as him not having been pushed; that poster needs to familiarise himself with the concept of constructive dismissal. The kid's probably lost trust and confidence in the club. Either he or the Richmond bloke should leave. It wont be the Richmond bloke, YET, so JSOS should leave. We move on.

You’re talking rubbish, you are absolutely guessing your arse off

What games has McGovern taken off Silvagni?

Was Jack consistently in the team, when not injured, after Teague came in? He wasn’t under Bolton first half of last year that’s for sure

He’s been out injured for the vast majority of the year, he’s contracted for next year. The decision is all Jack’s, he has a lot to think about and I won’t begrudge him going to a North for a lengthy contract on more money but let’s be very upfront here and not make it about any other fairytale that you wish to make up.




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[Arr0w]

What would we have to trade to bring them in?

This and next year's 1sts, players, swapping of later picks, etc