Rumour GFC 2020 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[Turbocat]

I think Cameron will stay but we will get crouch and maybe Higgins and potentially viney. I just want a good ruckman to add to that.

Basically 2020<> 2015. ?

Now if we added Crouch, Viney and Higgins ... it would add some middle aged pnp's to our team , Higgins is just a cherry on top...

Would it make us a better side? Not sure to be honest till is see it all meshed ... and Viney and Crouch are not Danger.

Considering Mids are an easier acquisition , and as we have discussed multiple time tall/forwards are the harder acquisition ... then no Cameron or Daniher... would you say its been a fail or do we move on to the next level and look at Wright or some other tall?

 

[year of the cat]

Viney moving is surely a pipe dream.

 

[Lana]

If we get crouch and viney danger is clearly going to play mostly forward and sav will potentially either be in the ruck or out of the team. Higgins would be a winger or goalkicking HF. Backline composition is the unknown for me as is what we do with the 2nd ruck spot.
B: MOC Blicavs Bews/Henry
HB: Stewart Kolo Tuohy
C: Menegola Duncan Guthrie
HF: Higgins Hawkins Parfitt
F: Miers Danger Rohan
R: Stanley Selwood Crouch
I: Viney Dahl Steven/Clark Sav (or whoever ruck 2 is)

Backline could use an extra tall potentially but is experienced and quality. Mids have a good balance of ball hunters (crouch viney Selwood Parfitt plus danger and Steven when there etc) complimented by good outside ball users (Guthrie Duncan Menegola higgins). I'd like Clark to come through to give us some real line breaking ability.

Forward line has stacks of marking power plus speed (danger and rohan) guys like miers and Higgins can really finish and Dahl and rohan give you pressure.
The only real weak point is the second ruck spot unless Hendo holds up or we bring through another tall defender we will need to take blicavs and put him back which then means either sav or Jenkins needs to get a gig as 2nd ruck unless we bring in someone else for that role. I don't rate fort so we have no real cover if Stanley goes down.

Obviously depth depends which fringe players go but you would still potentially have Atkins Close CC Narkle Fogarty Zuthrie Simpson Jenkins and Stephens plus Hendo (if he doesn't retire) and our R1 picks this year as decent depth. I would argue with the exception of the ruck and key back positions that we would have really good depth across the park.

I guess the pitch to them is "we want to build our midfield around you two for the next 3 to 4 years" have the equivalent to 600k a year.

With the cap expected to drop, I don't think we have that much Kelly money available, players would be pissed to take a pay cut while we bring new players in. Ablett and Taylor would have been on reduced wages anyway. If it's depth vs kids, you'd hold onto the depth given how many early picks we have this year.

We'd want to lock in in Parfitt ASAP so he doesn't want to leave if he is pulled out of the main midfield rotations. Steven is a good 23rd player to have on hand, Fogarty also waiting for his chances. I'm willing to let the guys after him in the pecking order go.

Narkle, Simpson would be redundant, I'd trade/Delist them, Atkins and Constable would be traded/delisted as soon as we can. Would free up 100k to 150k a per player per year. Our 2nd year players would be inline for an increase, so Tarca, Jarvis and Kennerly could probably be moved on, they're not likely to get a shot next year anyway.

 

[Johnny Cattery]

It could just be coincidence. There’s no actual medical data to prove otherwise. McCarthy was a regular in the team in 2018 and was playing athletically. To me, that means that he was fine.

Some players do heal whether at one club or another. And some players don’t ever recover even after moving clubs. There’s no actual evidence beyond the surface level situation that we see.

He’s played more games at Brisbane. Well they must have a better medical team.

Or maybe it’s the Geelong medical and Physio team that spent the time rehabbing him through his injuries and got him fit and healthy and Brisbane are now reaping the rewards.

After all, we did get Menzel back playing after 4 knee reconstructions. Surely that’s something impressive?

Hawthorn have a much vaunted medical team, yet JOM is not as good as he was, Patten keeps breaking down, Scully is not even close to the player he was. Are we to assume that they are good or bad? We simply don’t know.

Players are all unique and each year is unique too. You are using the comparison of his games over years, but that really doesn’t mean anything more than - he was injured then and He’s recovered now. It doesn’t say how he recovered, who provided the best medical expertise.

You’d think that he would have to have recovered completely for Brisbane to even have given him a contract. You’d also think that a player who had chronic issues couldn’t recover that well if they hadn’t Completely healed (Menzel couldn’t do it in Sydney) - there’s just no secret recipe that other doctors have access to at this level.

If playing two games in a season makes you a regular, then ... not sure. Neither am I sure that we succeeded in really getting Menzel back on the park (or whether it was even the right thing to try to do).

You're right we don't have the dataon why players go better in some seasons or at some clubs, but maybe doctors, player and club have a bit more than us? And yes, maybe some methods are better with some players and some injuries than others.

 

[Johnny Cattery]

Viney moving is surely a pipe dream.

Serious question, as I don't get to see many / any Dees games: how did he go from annointed captain to actual captain to tradeable ...

 

[AM]

I wonder how he feels ... knock back a 3 year deal worth 750. ... and now who knows what he will be on or where he will play..

First action you'd take would be to fire your manager.

Someone will be looking for a soft forward who doesn't chase or have any defensive inclinations or take pack marks. So long as it's not us good luck to him.

 

[Jimmy Willis Jawline]

Seriously, and this is far from personal because I love the guy, but Sav is not a ruck and he isnt a forward. He is not a footballer.
Why cant we just throw it all at a ruckman. We have damn near everything else. But we keep throwing our best defensive leader into the ruck and its mental. If Blitz can stay back, and Sav can stay elsewhere and someone else takes care or the centre bounce, that has to be the missing link.
If we blow the kitty on a player who is a mid we are just setting ourselves up for more years of pain. We already have players like crouch and we dont even play some of them.
Stop being sucked in by shiny things
We need a damn ruckman

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I guess the pitch to them is "we want to build our midfield around you two for the next 3 to 4 years" have the equivalent to 600k a year.

With the cap expected to drop, I don't think we have that much Kelly money available, players would be pissed to take a pay cut while we bring new players in. Ablett and Taylor would have been on reduced wages anyway. If it's depth vs kids, you'd hold onto the depth given how many early picks we have this year.

We'd want to lock in in Parfitt ASAP so he doesn't want to leave if he is pulled out of the main midfield rotations. Steven is a good 23rd player to have on hand, Fogarty also waiting for his chances. I'm willing to let the guys after him in the pecking order go.

Narkle, Simpson would be redundant, I'd trade/Delist them, Atkins and Constable would be traded/delisted as soon as we can. Would free up 100k to 150k a per player per year. Our 2nd year players would be inline for an increase, so Tarca, Jarvis and Kennerly could probably be moved on, they're not likely to get a shot next year anyway.

I would still love to get a quality key forward but they are hard to get so I think bolstering the midfield and moving danger forward might be the best option we have. I agree the pitch to crouch st al is you are a key cog in our midfield but you will get more support than at your current club's.

We had money for Kelly til late in the piece and jenkins/Steven current club's are paying part of their wages so I doubt we are at 100 % of the cap this year. The cap reduction is an issue but it affects all club's equally so I think we will manage. We have a number of older guys like Selwood Rohan Stanley Tuohy Jenkins Steven etc who will either retire soon or go onto lower wages. I agree if the cap is an issue you move on some depth players and replace with draftees. I'd rather spend to improve 2 or 3 spots in our best 22 than improve depth as I feel our depth everywhere apart from the ruck is pretty much good anyway. Im pretty sure we will be offering Parfitt fair $ and he will stay. I agree on Steven I think he's good depth if he doesn't want big $ and i'd like to retain Fogarty and obviously Clark and our R1s last year and this year but pretty much everyone else outside our current 22 is decent but replaceable and therefore tradeable for the right price imo.

 

[CatRiot]

Ben Brown to Bombers.
Jezza to Cats or Other.
Daniher to Cats or Swans. Think Daniher could be a fall back ploy of Jezza deal can't get done.

 

[CatRiot]

I wonder if we should look into Schache from Doggies if its cheap at trade table... I dont think he's that bad, and I think he has more talent than 2MP.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Seriously, and this is far from personal because I love the guy, but Sav is not a ruck and he isnt a forward. He is not a footballer.
Why cant we just throw it all at a ruckman. We have damn near everything else. But we keep throwing our best defensive leader into the ruck and its mental. If Blitz can stay back, and Sav can stay elsewhere and someone else takes care or the centre bounce, that has to be the missing link.
If we blow the kitty on a player who is a mid we are just setting ourselves up for more years of pain. We already have players like crouch and we dont even play some of them.
Stop being sucked in by shiny things
We need a damn ruckman

Because rucks don't move for just money it's mainly opportunity or success and there's also not a lot of quality rucks across the league so it's a small market. We definitely need to focus on getting a quality one but if we can't bolstering other areas of our side is still probably better than not bolstering anywhere.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Serious question, as I don't get to see many / any Dees games: how did he go from annointed captain to actual captain to tradeable ...

Because they have an unbalanced list I think.

 

[calder_daddy]

Seriously, and this is far from personal because I love the guy, but Sav is not a ruck and he isnt a forward. He is not a footballer.
Why cant we just throw it all at a ruckman. We have damn near everything else. But we keep throwing our best defensive leader into the ruck and its mental. If Blitz can stay back, and Sav can stay elsewhere and someone else takes care or the centre bounce, that has to be the missing link.
If we blow the kitty on a player who is a mid we are just setting ourselves up for more years of pain. We already have players like crouch and we dont even play some of them.
Stop being sucked in by shiny things
We need a damn ruckman

I’ll start this with. I’m not Savs biggest fan.

But he is 22 years old FFS

 

[Leeds17]

Serious question, as I don't get to see many / any Dees games: how did he go from annointed captain to actual captain to tradeable ...

First I’d say Melbourne want to keep him & I think it’s extremely unlikely he’ll not be there next season, from a personnel perspective Oliver came to the fore really quickly, Petracca took the next step this season as one of the better attacking mids in the game & Viney’s inclusion back as a full time on baller after a few years ravaged by injury has pushed Brayshaw further out of the picture along with Harmes, they like the Sparrow kid as well so if Viney was to leave numbers wise they could cover it,

I wonder if $$$ & contract years might come into it, on face value you’d think how could we possibly pay more than they could but looking a little closer... May, Lever & Gawn are all extremely well paid, Petracca well compensated & his next deal will be even bigger, same with Oliver, Tomlinson & Langdon paid very well too, they’ve got some money coming off/decreasing with Jones, Hibbard, & they try and move McDonald but they’ll be looking hard at Ben Brown & frankly any forward.

Haha this might not really be an answer to your question.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Basically 2020<> 2015. ?

Now if we added Crouch, Viney and Higgins ... it would add some middle aged pnp's to our team , Higgins is just a cherry on top...

Would it make us a better side? Not sure to be honest till is see it all meshed ... and Viney and Crouch are not Danger.

Considering Mids are an easier acquisition , and as we have discussed multiple time tall/forwards are the harder acquisition ... then no Cameron or Daniher... would you say its been a fail or do we move on to the next level and look at Wright or some other tall?

I think key forwards are hard to get I'd rather a quality one but yes if we can't I'd bolster other areas and try and trade a mid level key forward in instead. I don't consider that a fail.

 

[Jimmy Willis Jawline]

Sav is young yes, but he cant mark, dont even know if he can kick.
You cannot convince me there arent players who can do better
Reilly obrien would do better as a Jacob's style player.
We wont get anywhere if we play Blitz out of defence

 

[cats_09]

I wonder if we should look into Schache from Doggies if its cheap at trade table... I dont think he's that bad, and I think he has more talent than 2MP.

Is he still on a playing list?

If you told me he had been delisted already I would believe you

 

[Leeds17]

Sav is young yes, but he cant mark, dont even know if he can kick.
You cannot convince me there arent players who can do better
Reilly obrien would do better as a Jacob's style player.
We wont get anywhere if we play Blitz out of defence

O’Brien who is probably 6-7th best ruck in the comp would do better? You’d hope so, also Riley is 25 years old.

 

[Boxhead_31]

Serious question, as I don't get to see many / any Dees games: how did he go from annointed captain to actual captain to tradeable ...

Too many of the same type of player in their midfield is the thinking

 

[bulletproof]

Is he still on a playing list?

If you told me he had been delisted already I would believe you

Josh Bruce is being picked ahead of him which is all you need to know about Schake. Probably the weakest 195cm player in the league.

 

[catempire]

Why would Marshall leave st Kilda? I don't see it.

When you treat trading like a video game anyone is gettable.

 

[catempire]

Will we be in flag mode next year? I dunno. If this squad bombs again in finals then adding an ancient import from another club is not going to materially improve it.

Are you familiar with my grandfather’s axe?

 

[MeffDog]

If Cameron RFA falls through, could Mihocek be a possible trade target?

 

[Two Planks]

Josh Jenkins is a proven AFL level key forward, yet he has been picked for 1 game this year as a ruckman.

Surely he is not here next year and are we planning a style change as well to incorporate a 2nd key forward such as Cameron or Daniher.

Why would Kreuger, Ratagolea or Jenkins stick around if we do recruit another forward.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Josh Jenkins is a proven AFL level key forward, yet he has been picked for 1 game this year as a ruckman.

Surely he is not here next year and are we planning a style change as well to incorporate a 2nd key forward such as Cameron or Daniher.

Why would Kreuger, Ratagolea or Jenkins stick around if we do recruit another forward.

Jenkins has been injured most of the year.