Opinion If Richmond win it this year....

[SBYM]

But srsly...would give my left nut to see peak Lions and Peak Cats go at it.

That would be some footyball.

 

[nut]

Guess that makes you Masters of the Universe.

When do I get to ride the Battle-Cat?

 

[Grin]

One thing we can be certain of is that if Richmond win this year, it will be dubbed on Big Footy as the worst back to back eva.

 

[Pessimistic]

If just lions cats hawks tigers posters could vote,but not select their own team, what would the result be. I suspect Brisbane. Although we must remember pretty much the Brisbane three peat team won a wooden spoon too

 

[Pessimistic]

But srsly...would give my left nut to see peak Lions and Peak Cats go at it.

That would be some footyball.

‘the game softened up considerably between the lions and cats eras

 

[richcogs]

Brisbane lions 01-04 are easily the best team of the last 30 years

I agree, Brisbane's team without question.

 

[Conan Troutman]

Here is another question....
Essendon 2000 team v Geelong 2007 （or 2008, 2009 if you rate them more） Which team was better ？

That's a hard one. Geelong 2008 I thought was the peak for Geelong. Comparing to Essendon, for H/A Geelong's percentage was 161.8 vs Essendon 159.1. Both only lost one H/A game, and Geelong's (bizarrely) was an 86 point loss while Essendons was 11. But then there's the grand final of course, where Geelong stuffs up the comparison, and makes it difficult to choose them over Essendon. That GF loss bugs me more than it probably should

Geelong 2011 had a percentage of 157.4 and lost 3 games (by 4, 8 and 13 points - average of 8.3 points). If I recall, it's statistically the best season by any premier after 2000. They weren't far behind Essendon, and perhaps worthy of comparison too.

I'm a usually stats man, so would have to choose Bombers - based solely on Win/Loss, Percentage, and winning the GF. But by eye, and considering the surrounding years, all the records they broke, and quality of opposition, I think Geelong where the better team, and I'd 2008 was their peak. That said, I also consider 2011 their best season (having won the GF). So I'll sit on the fence and so both, depending how you look at it. Essendon by stats, Geelong by eye.

I acknowledge that obviously I would have a bias, no matter how hard I try to avoid it, so it's probably for others to judge. FWIW, Essendon are my second team, and I've watched most of their games, so I have nothing against them.

 

[dean33]

One thing we can be certain of is that if Richmond win this year, it will be dubbed on Big Footy as the worst back to back eva.

Also the worst 3 in 4 ever.

 

[toottoot]

Not an insignificant point when it comes to talking about the overall strength of the competition.

Geelong 07-11 clearly the better team, I think, but it's a different era thanks to the expansion of the comp.

Without wanting to deny how good Geelong were, I've never been so impressed by a team as I was with the Brisbane three-peat team of 01-03. They seemed to have a switch they could flick and when they did they just crushed whoever were before them. They were awesome.

So I'd be putting Brisbane ahead of Geelong with Richmond quite a bit behind.

I won't loose sleep over the question of whether teams from another era are better or worse. I'm enjoying this era too much to care!

I agree with every aspect of this statement.
Nice to hear such honesty from a tiger's supporter as generally we all look at our own team's through Rose tinted glasses on

 

[happy punter]

If the Tigers win they should be considered just behind the Lions of the early 2000's

 

[Tigers_fan24]

You'd roll them by 12-15 goals - so far better than them it's not funny.

Don't let any muppet tell you your 2007-2011 is inferior to Richmond. Along with Brisbane and Hawthorn Threepeats, Hawks 88-89 and Essendon 84-85, your era is right up there.

The only era that would challenge Richmond is the hawthorn 3 peat. Rest would be too slow and unfit to keep up with us.

 

[Damon_3388]

We would roll this Richmond team by 5 goals+......The competition at the top quite simply isn’t as good atm as it was back then.

I'd say the competition is greater and more even now, which is why Richmond don't look as dominant as the Cats did in that era.

 

[Hoops]

Just to win a premiership is tasty.

fwiw I think Hawthorn have been the greatest side in my lifetime.

I rank the Bombers of 2000 as the best. No other team has had the aura of invincibility they had. Geelong of 2008 was probably closest

 

[Madtiger2006]

We’d smash the 2010 cats. No contest

 

[Hot Diggity]

I rank the Bombers of 2000 as the best. No other team has had the aura of invisibility they had. Geelong of 2008 was probably closest

"Aura of invisibility..."

Gotta love autocorrect!

 

[Hot Diggity]

That's a hard one. Geelong 2008 I thought was the peak for Geelong. Comparing to Essendon, for H/A Geelong's percentage was 161.8 vs Essendon 159.1. Both only lost one H/A game, and Geelong's (bizarrely) was an 86 point loss while Essendons was 11. But then there's the grand final of course, where Geelong stuffs up the comparison, and makes it difficult to choose them over Essendon. That GF loss bugs me more than it probably should

Geelong 2011 had a percentage of 157.4 and lost 3 games (by 4, 8 and 13 points - average of 8.3 points). If I recall, it's statistically the best season by any premier after 2000. They weren't far behind Essendon, and perhaps worthy of comparison too.

I'm a usually stats man, so would have to choose Bombers - based solely on Win/Loss, Percentage, and winning the GF. But by eye, and considering the surrounding years, all the records they broke, and quality of opposition, I think Geelong where the better team, and I'd 2008 was their peak. That said, I also consider 2011 their best season (having won the GF). So I'll sit on the fence and so both, depending how you look at it. Essendon by stats, Geelong by eye.

I acknowledge that obviously I would have a bias, no matter how hard I try to avoid it, so it's probably for others to judge. FWIW, Essendon are my second team, and I've watched most of their games, so I have nothing against them.

2011 was peak. Look at the performance of the top 4. To win a flag that year was special.

 

[Hot Diggity]

We both know the Eagles team of 91-94 had that Hawks team covered, given the competition

Yeah, shame our opposition was so s**t for our 3rd leg of the threepeat....

 

[Pessimistic]

Im going to put forward the smaller forwards of Gunston Bruest Rioli Puopolo and (Part time) Burgoyne would take some bettering

They even did a pretty decent job in 2016 with only resting ruckmen as talls

 

[Pessimistic]

Actually can richmond emulate Hawthorns smashings of opponents in GFs 2014-5?
They have one tick already

 

[Tony Harrison]

They’ve been towelled up by Brisbane twice, once by Port and have lost others such as the Saints game. Far from the best side this year and it’ll be another arsey flag if they pull it off. Port or Geelong definitely deserve it more.

Towelled up by Brisbane twice eh?

Twice in the last 15 years you mean? Because that's the amount of times they've beaten us since 2004.

 

[FrustratedTiger]

Except they won't. The mighty Brisbane Lions will win this year. You can quote me on that.

That post aged well

 

[PCORF]

For Richmond I think this will be their toughest opponent of their 3 recent 3 grand finals. At their best they can really stifle a team so if they win it it will be a great achievement for sure.

 

[Vassp]

I'd say the competition is greater and more even now, which is why Richmond don't look as dominant as the Cats did in that era.

this is spot on, people easily forget that small fact, its harder to dominate now than it ever was.
Richmond on pure talent cant finish on top - those days of star studded teams are over. its too hard to build a list like that up - (unless a team gets help from the AFL- don't mention names here). The salary cap, draft picks, drug tests etc wont allow that.

So the comparison is unfair and unrealistic, but the tigers would beat them all if they all played at full strength, why? Because footy has moved on and some people need to as well.

 

[CaptchaProofBot]

worst primetime TV premiers eva
worst 16 min qtr premiers eva
worst b2b between 2019-2020 premiers eva
worst hub premiers eva
worst behaving premiers eva....onfield AND offield
worst Jobseeker premiers eva

and yes...this year they also qualify for worst interstate premiers eva

 

[PhatBoy]

Geelong of that era was a more talented team. Would probably trouble this Richmond side, but who knows. The Brisbane 3peat team would thrash either side though.

The Brisbane side of that era PLAYED the Geelong team when that team was starting its surge. They won a preliminary final by 9 points.