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AgroMagro said:
It's farcical. $1.6 million salary to slash services. What? On top of that $300,000 in expenses. What?

World gone mad. Corporate greed running rampant.
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Holgate Came from Blackmores, where she would have had a stack of shares as an incentive bonus. As a corporatised government entity, Aus Post wouldn’t be able to attract and incentive qualified CEO’s with an attractive share scheme, they’d have to be paid in cold hard cash.

TBH, I reckon the CEO of Aus Post would absolutely deserve that kind of coin if they were doing a good job of transitioning them from a 18th century enterprise and into the modern age. Not convinced Holgate is doing a good job of it. Aus Post stores had transitioned into junk $2 shops under the previous CEO, and nothing has changed as far as I can tell.
 
Mostfamousclub_Pies said:
That’s nothing compared to the two geriatric candidates running for US presidency out of 320 million people.
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Wrong thread, your target is this one I think.

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76woodenspooners said:
Holgate Came from Blackmores, where she would have had a stack of shares as an incentive bonus. As a corporatised government entity, Aus Post wouldn’t be able to attract and incentive qualified CEO’s with an attractive share scheme, they’d have to be paid in cold hard cash.

TBH, I reckon the CEO of Aus Post would absolutely deserve that kind of coin if they were doing a good job of transitioning them from a 18th century enterprise and into the modern age. Not convinced Holgate is doing a good job of it. Aus Post stores had transitioned into junk $2 shops under the previous CEO, and nothing has changed as far as I can tell.
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From my experience it has, though the impact of covid can't be separated out. Post is slower. Items have a higher likelihood of damage. Aus Post employees are unhappier. I presume colgate is only interested in cutting costs though.
Markfs said:
... In reality, I'd be happy to see Eddie stay if he let go of the reins and shared the power, and put the club before his mates.
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More chance of Dane Beams returning than the first two happening. Plus I suspect Eddie believes he does put the club first. Same reality for me though. I don't mind Eddie, he has been great for the Pies. Whatever, bottom line it is time and the only way to keep the bastards honest is move them on. Thread title should be how do we move on the bored.
 
DaVe86 said:
I want answers to 2 questions:

1. Did our recruiting team have knowledge of the issues surrounding Dayne Beams when we offered 2 first round draft picks and a handsome contract for him? If not, should they have known??? This issue really isn't getting the media it deserves. The board and recruiting team aren't getting much heat for it.

2. Did we as a club know about the impending investigation surrounding Gubby Allan when he was brought over from GWS? The guy came in, got rid of a number of players, brought in a number of duds on high price contracts, and then was suspended and never seen again. It seems as though the decisions he made have set us back years...and Ned GUy is still trying to clean up the mess.
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3rd question -what did we know or attempt to find out about Daniel Wells' injury prone status before offering him a sizeable contact?
 

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TKiL said:
3rd question -what did we know or attempt to find out about Daniel Wells' injury prone status before offering him a sizeable contact?
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Do you mean the Daniel Wells who had played 249 games before joining us including 18ish the year prior....and then subsequently suffered two freak contact injuries that could happen to anyone?
 
Timmy from Thomastown said:
Do you mean the Daniel Wells who had played 249 games before joining us including 18ish the year prior....and then subsequently suffered two freak contact injuries that could happen to anyone?
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I mean the Wells that had injury issues that were known in AFL circles
 
TKiL said:
I mean the Wells that had injury issues that were known in AFL circles
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Collingwood knew exactly the risks with Wells. The third year of the contract was always going to be a step too far but his extraordinary talent made the punt a risk worth taking. As i said it wasnt chronic injury that got in the way as much as was injury that came from freak body clashes. Could have happened to anyone.
 
Timmy from Thomastown said:
Collingwood knew exactly the risks with Wells. The third year of the contract was always going to be a step too far but his extraordinary talent made the punt a risk worth taking. As i said it wasnt chronic injury that got in the way as much as was injury that came from freak body clashes. Could have happened to anyone.
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Maybe but add that to the other risks eg Beams and other picks that have flopped and we're behind the eight ball atm
 
Timmy from Thomastown said:
Collingwood knew exactly the risks with Wells. The third year of the contract was always going to be a step too far but his extraordinary talent made the punt a risk worth taking. As i said it wasnt chronic injury that got in the way as much as was injury that came from freak body clashes. Could have happened to anyone.
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Complete revisionist garbage.

In two of the three immediate seasons prior to joing Collingwood, he played 10 and 2 games. He had known Achilles and calf injuries. But, don't take my word - here it is straight from the horse's mouth:

""I was always a slow starter in pre-season, but that pre-season I wanted to impress and I tried to spike too quickly and got a couple of calf injuries. The Pies took a risk bringing me in as an older player too, so it was disappointing."
 
DaVe86 said:
I want answers to 2 questions:

1. Did our recruiting team have knowledge of the issues surrounding Dayne Beams when we offered 2 first round draft picks and a handsome contract for him? If not, should they have known??? This issue really isn't getting the media it deserves. The board and recruiting team aren't getting much heat for it.
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You take a team who had gone within a kick of winning a Premiership, and you have the opportunity to add a 28 year old player who had won a Premiership, had been captain of his club, B&F winner ... and yeah, he had been open about some mental health challenges around his father’s passing but we know that a high proportion of the league have mental health issues over something.

Sure, we’re all lamenting that decision now ...

... but rewind back to 2018 and we all would have signed that contract every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

What I’d be keen to know is if any changes made as part of Peter Murphy’s review got circumvented in the process of getting Beams on board.
 

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76woodenspooners said:
You take a team who had gone within a kick of winning a Premiership, and you have the opportunity to add a 28 year old player who had won a Premiership, had been captain of his club, B&F winner ... and yeah, he had been open about some mental health challenges around his father’s passing but we know that a high proportion of the league have mental health issues over something.

Sure, we’re all lamenting that decision now ...

... but rewind back to 2018 and we all would have signed that contract every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

What I’d be keen to know is if any changes made as part of Peter Murphy’s review got circumvented in the process of getting Beams on board.
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The question about these Wells and Beams issues etc, is whether the board verballed the footy dept into taking these players.....and when i mean the bored, I mean eddie verballing the footy dept.

If that happened, we should clear the decks on the admin side. If there's one thing that I learnt from listening to chris scott talking about recruiting cameron, is that he hardly had a role in it until the deal was almost done..... and he's in the footy dept. Geelong pres and brian cook would have had nothing to do with it, other than to be informed. One of the strengths of their system of governance is the separation of their responsibilies. We could learn something......or should i say more bluntly, eddie mcguire could learn something about keeping his beak out of recruitment issues.
 
Markfs said:
The question about these Wells and Beams issues etc, is whether the board verballed the footy dept into taking these players.....and when i mean the bored, I mean eddie verballing the footy dept.

If that happened, we should clear the decks on the admin side. If there's one thing that I learnt from listening to chris scott talking about recruiting cameron, is that he hardly had a role in it until the deal was almost done..... and he's in the footy dept. Geelong pres and brian cook would have had nothing to do with it, other than to be informed. One of the strengths of their system of governance is the separation of their responsibilies. We could learn something......or should i say more bluntly, eddie mcguire could learn something about keeping his beak out of recruitment issues.
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All very true but one problem-McGuire seems unable to learn stuff
 
76woodenspooners said:
You take a team who had gone within a kick of winning a Premiership, and you have the opportunity to add a 28 year old player who had won a Premiership, had been captain of his club, B&F winner ... and yeah, he had been open about some mental health challenges around his father’s passing but we know that a high proportion of the league have mental health issues over something.

Sure, we’re all lamenting that decision now ...

... but rewind back to 2018 and we all would have signed that contract every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

What I’d be keen to know is if any changes made as part of Peter Murphy’s review got circumvented in the process of getting Beams on board.
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Yes because we trusted the club to do it’s due diligence.

But even so there were many questioning it at the time for three reasons

His conduct (even if we only knew half the story at the time)
The cost of the trade (albeit one of the first rounders we gave away would have been spent on Quaynor anyway)
And whether a midfielder was really what we needed at the time.
 

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Matt_352 said:
Why am I not surprised that Edward is defending Holgate, both are ****ing corrupt
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If you”d made $60 million for your employer, do you think your employer would be corrupt for giving you a nice watch to say thank-you?

From the information that is out in the public, I haven’t seen anything that’s illegal or not in keeping with general corporate standards, or much to justify the media outrage. It’s petty stuff.

Yeah, she could have done a better job of preparing for senate estimates, but she clearly had no idea about what angle they would be going in at. And from her POV there are probably dozens of ways they could have grilled her.

There’s a hidden agenda by somebody here.
 
76woodenspooners said:
If you”d made $60 million for your employer, do you think your employer would be corrupt for giving you a nice watch to say thank-you?
From the information that is out in the public, I haven’t seen anything that’s illegal or not in keeping with general corporate standards, or much to justify the media outrage. It’s petty stuff.
Yeah, she could have done a better job of preparing for senate estimates, but she clearly had no idea about what angle they would be going in at. And from her POV there are probably dozens of ways they could have grilled her.
There’s a hidden agenda by somebody here.
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Federal Libs trying to divert attention away from the land deal next to Sydney Airport where Fed Govt paid $30 mill for land worth $3 mill where the owners just happened to be Lib party donors??
 
Timmy from Thomastown said:
Yes because we trusted the club to do it’s due diligence.
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Maybe they did?

Sure, he went off the rails after his Dad’s passing, but that’s not something out of the ordinary. The story about him returning to Victoria to help him recover is easy to believe by a club that had just lost a GF.

Sure, there was the gambling thing, but he reigned that in when he came to Collingwood and as far as we can tell he stayed true to that.

Sure, there was the abuse of prescription drugs, but from what we can tell from the timeline that didn’t really happen until after he returned to Collingwood.

But even so there were many questioning it at the time for three reasons

His conduct (even if we only knew half the story at the time)
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What was wrong with his conduct?

Yeah, there was the Copeland thing, but that was petty.

The cost of the trade (albeit one of the first rounders we gave away would have been spent on Quaynor anyway)
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Fair enough ...

... but a 28yo of Beams’ capability was more relevant to a team competing for immediate Premierships than an 18 year old late first round pick.
 
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