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Just ignore him, I don't know why you spin your wheels with it.IT. WAS. A. DIFFERENT. SYSTEM.
Makes for a much calmer afternoon.
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Just ignore him, I don't know why you spin your wheels with it.IT. WAS. A. DIFFERENT. SYSTEM.
Just ignore him, I don't know why you spin your wheels with it.
Makes for a much calmer afternoon.
It’s alright he’s a self proclaimed “football knowledge” fanBecause if someone doesn't call out bs misinformation you end up with 50 pages of uninformed people reading it and going 'yeah but what about Frawley!'.
I didn't argue it wasn't, I was just saying even if he was traded this year, technically given his salary he received then he would have gotten a band 1 compensation which is pick 3 and the argument that they are saying is Frawley got pick 3 and isn't worth pick 3 (similar to the argument that B.Crouch isn't worth pick 2) but he was worth band 1 compensation which Melbourne received because they finished second last which we would receive if B.Crouch earns $750K+IT. WAS. A. DIFFERENT. SYSTEM.
I've posted it about 15 times - the AFL will interpret their own rules however they like, and absolutely no one has a 100% certain view on how these bands are allocated from year to year. If the AFL think it will cause undue angst, media scrutiny, open up a path for other clubs to use, or screw a Victorian club in the slightest they will change their interpretation of this without a thought and say 'FA was never meant to give the clubs losing a player an advantage, it's only meant to compensate them, pick 2 isn't a fair representation for a player who only played x games this year etc etc etc.....'Player worth is subjective, that’s why the AFL have parameters set up for this. If the market values him at band 1 compensation then he’s clearly worth it. You can’t punish a team for finishing last by downgrading their compensation to a lower tier. Otherwise where do you draw the line? If we finished 4th are you suggesting we’d get band 1? What about 12th? That doesn’t make much sense.
I don't think anyone is under the illusion that the AFL aren't a strong probability of making up some new interpretation that means we don't get Band 1 BUT that doesn't mean that we should just sit back and cop it. Being pissed off about this type of thing is important ... if we just keep accepting whatever flavour sandwich they serve up - well then they truly have won. We have to reset the standard at some point ... why not start now?I've posted it about 15 times - the AFL will interpret their own rules however they like, and absolutely no one has a 100% certain view on how these bands are allocated from year to year. <snip>
I don't think anyone is under the illusion that the AFL aren't a strong probability of making up some new interpretation that means we don't get Band 1 BUT that doesn't mean that we should just sit back and cop it. Being pissed off about this type of thing is important ... if we just keep accepting whatever flavour sandwich they serve up - well then they truly have won. We have to reset the standard at some point ... why not start now?
Maybe don't read the Brad Crouchto Saints thread if people voicing their opinion on what we get when Brad leaves for the Saints really bothers you.PLAYERCARDSTART5Brad Crouch
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That was the argument around Frawley as clubs said he wasn't worth pick 3 but he was worth band 1, hence the AFL changed their FA compensation system to reflect this providing metric evidence that Frawley was actually worth band 1 and somewhat made this system "transparent", but some journalist like MaClure and Wilson thought he had to have an offer that would make him the top 5% of players hence stated that no one will offer B.Crouch $800K, however, they forgot it's only taking into account this system is only apply for 25+ years old players in the AFL which is why the figure $700-750K has been mentioned. So no, for the final time, the AFL can't just interpret their rule, that's why a club can request a review into the compensation which both Brisbane and Richmond did and both time it reflect this formula that they used.I've posted it about 15 times - the AFL will interpret their own rules however they like, and absolutely no one has a 100% certain view on how these bands are allocated from year to year. If the AFL think it will cause undue angst, media scrutiny, open up a path for other clubs to use, or screw a Victorian club in the slightest they will change their interpretation of this without a thought and say 'FA was never meant to give the clubs losing a player an advantage, it's only meant to compensate them, pick 2 isn't a fair representation for a player who only played x games this year etc etc etc.....'
I don't understand why people are clinging to this notion of 'but, but, it's the rules, they have to apply them to us the same as everyone else' - they won't, they don't, they haven't been for about 15-20 years, and they are not going to start now because we had one bad season which has overwhelmed them with pity for our supporters and admiration for our plucky strategy of accepting a salary cap dump from St. Kilda to manipulate their highly opaque system and threaten the integrity of the salary cap by allowing clubs who finish near the bottom of the ladder to get an extra top 5 pick and clog up their list with injured plodders from other sides, instead of giving list spots to rookies for half the salary cap burden.
To be 100% clear, because people keep saying 'but, but, it's the rules' I am saying exactly that if we finished 4th the AFL would give us Band 1, precisely because it would be an easy, non-offensive path of least resistance for them to give us 19 or 20, but because we finished last, they won't, especially when we try to game the system by incentivizing St. Kilda to offer a non-elite player elite money while they are trying to get salary caps under control.
My point is that the AFL will decide to draw the line wherever they ******* like and provide whatever reason they like and that we will be on the wrong side of that line, still saying 'but, but, it's the rules, why aren't they the same for us?', and being uncomfortable with the suggestion that we could just take Hately in the PSD instead of being honourable and maintaining our close personal friendship with GWS by trading them a decent pick instead of using it for ourselves.
The compensation formula is a secret for a reason. It gives the AFL total control over the outcome and the explanationI've posted it about 15 times - the AFL will interpret their own rules however they like, and absolutely no one has a 100% certain view on how these bands are allocated from year to year. If the AFL think it will cause undue angst, media scrutiny, open up a path for other clubs to use, or screw a Victorian club in the slightest they will change their interpretation of this without a thought and say 'FA was never meant to give the clubs losing a player an advantage, it's only meant to compensate them, pick 2 isn't a fair representation for a player who only played x games this year etc etc etc.....'
I don't understand why people are clinging to this notion of 'but, but, it's the rules, they have to apply them to us the same as everyone else' - they won't, they don't, they haven't been for about 15-20 years, and they are not going to start now because we had one bad season which has overwhelmed them with pity for our supporters and admiration for our plucky strategy of accepting a salary cap dump from St. Kilda to manipulate their highly opaque system and threaten the integrity of the salary cap by allowing clubs who finish near the bottom of the ladder to get an extra top 5 pick and clog up their list with injured plodders from other sides, instead of giving list spots to rookies for half the salary cap burden.
To be 100% clear, because people keep saying 'but, but, it's the rules' I am saying exactly that if we finished 4th the AFL would give us Band 1, precisely because it would be an easy, non-offensive path of least resistance for them to give us 19 or 20, but because we finished last, they won't, especially when we try to game the system by incentivizing St. Kilda to offer a non-elite player elite money while they are trying to get salary caps under control.
My point is that the AFL will decide to draw the line wherever they ******* like and provide whatever reason they like and that we will be on the wrong side of that line, still saying 'but, but, it's the rules, why aren't they the same for us?', and being uncomfortable with the suggestion that we could just take Hately in the PSD instead of being honourable and maintaining our close personal friendship with GWS by trading them a decent pick instead of using it for ourselves.
But don't post anything here ... Is that what you are saying?If you don't want to cop it then contact the club, they're the ones who need to start kicking up a fuss preemtively.
That was the argument around Frawley as clubs said he wasn't worth pick 3 but he was worth band 1, hence the AFL changed their FA compensation system to reflect this providing metric evidence that Frawley was actually worth band 1 and somewhat made this system "transparent", but some journalist like MaClure and Wilson thought he had to have an offer that would make him the top 5% of players hence stated that no one will offer B.Crouch $800K, however, they forgot it's only taking into account this system is only apply for 25+ years old players in the AFL which is why the figure $700-750K has been mentioned. So no, for the final time, the AFL can't just interpret their rule, that's why a club can request a review into the compensation which both Brisbane and Richmond did and both time it reflect this formula that they used.
But don't post anything here ... Is that what you are saying?
The compensation formula is a secret for a reason. It gives the AFL total control over the outcome and the explanation
But going by the what those players got offered as reported it did make sense why the band compensation was a step lower than expected.Brisbane and Richmond both requested a review and both times it changed nothing.
The AFL reviewing itself is about as effective as police being responsible for investigating police misconduct and corruption.
carde blancheThe compensation formula is a secret for a reason. It gives the AFL total control over the outcome and the explanation
This is the Brad CrouchI don't think anyone is under the illusion that the AFL aren't a strong probability of making up some new interpretation that means we don't get Band 1 BUT that doesn't mean that we should just sit back and cop it. Being pissed off about this type of thing is important ... if we just keep accepting whatever flavour sandwich they serve up - well then they truly have won. We have to reset the standard at some point ... why not start now?
Maybe don't read the Brad Crouchto Saints thread if people voicing their opinion on what we get when Brad leaves for the Saints really bothers you.PLAYERCARDSTART5Brad Crouch
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- M
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How many times do people need to tell you that the Frawley pick was done under a different system?That was the argument around Frawley as clubs said he wasn't worth pick 3 but he was worth band 1, hence the AFL changed their FA compensation system to reflect this providing metric evidence that Frawley was actually worth band 1 and somewhat made this system "transparent", but some journalist like MaClure and Wilson thought he had to have an offer that would make him the top 5% of players hence stated that no one will offer B.Crouch $800K, however, they forgot it's only taking into account this system is only apply for 25+ years old players in the AFL which is why the figure $700-750K has been mentioned. So no, for the final time, the AFL can't just interpret their rule, that's why a club can request a review into the compensation which both Brisbane and Richmond did and both time it reflect this formula that they used.
Which is shocking, because the AFL has such a track record of prioritising transparency and equitability with it's decisions.The compensation formula is a secret for a reason. It gives the AFL total control over the outcome and the explanation
What are you talking about? I said that's why they introduced this "new" system after clubs complained about the Frawley pick 3 compensation and made this "new" system somewhat "transparent", the AFL probably even based this around the Frawely compensation formula given he would have received a band 1 compensation based on the salary increase from 6 years ago anyway, so some could even argue there wasn't actually any change to this new system from the one used to calculate Frawley's compensation.How many times do people need to tell you that the Frawley pick was done under a different system?
Why are you clinging to this like a drowning man on a life raft?
That fat fcuk hutchy should have also said he is worth more than pick 19 or he is just a fat biased vic media fcukI can see crows getting mid first round compo. They’ll change the rules given pick 2 is too much compo and end 1st round is not enough. Hutchy said it today he does not believe he’s worth pick 2. That the mentality of vic media atm.
Sure, but as you know the narrative changes depending on the club.Those in the media should really stop focusing on whether Crouch is worth pick 2. It’s about the fact that we finished bottom and need pick 2 based on how sh*t we are.