Scandal Rio Tinto Sponsorship of the AFL. What's next, Tobacco or Taliban sponsorship?

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The Taliban blew up religious sites because they are zealots.

There was no such malice in what Rio Tinto did. There wasn't a group of white men in a meeting saying "how can we blow up ancient aboriginal caves?"
There would have been many meetings with staff and consultants to get this into the proposal "Avoiding disturbance to heritage sites where practical." so they could blow up ancient aboriginal caves where convenient to them for financial gain. Companies like this spend millions to get proposals approved by the EPA. No malice but greed.
 

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There would have been many meetings with staff and consultants to get this into the proposal "Avoiding disturbance to heritage sites where practical." so they could blow up ancient aboriginal caves where convenient to them for financial gain. Companies like this spend millions to get proposals approved by the EPA. No malice but greed.
learn a thing about mining especially all the restrictions and regulations large companies have to go through. there are department that deal with tradational land holders. long before any exploration drilling or blasting can take place traditional land holders do scour the areas
 

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learn a thing about mining especially all the restrictions and regulations large companies have to go through. there are department that deal with tradational land holders. long before any exploration drilling or blasting can take place traditional land holders do scour the areas
i have a degree in Environmental Management doing Environmental Impact Assessments. This is literally my field of expertise. Well aware of the entire EPA Process. Companies have to propose a no net loss, with ideally a net gain in areas such as fauna, flora, hydrology and cultural importance to get approval.

Rio Tinto, its consultants and the EPA all dealt with traditional land holders. The EPA approved this proposal, Rio Tinto was given an inch, and the took a mile
 

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learn a thing about mining especially all the restrictions and regulations large companies have to go through. there are department that deal with tradational land holders. long before any exploration drilling or blasting can take place traditional land holders do scour the areas
i have a degree in Environmental Management doing Environmental Impact Assessments. This is literally my field of expertise. Well aware of the entire EPA Process. Companies have to propose a no net loss, with ideally a net gain in areas such as fauna, flora, hydrology and cultural importance to get approval.

Rio Tinto, its consultants and the EPA all dealt with traditional land holders. The EPA approved this proposal, Rio Tinto was given an inch, and the took a mile
"To protect social surroundings from significant harm" falls under EPA guidelines and Policies, where it is defined as "the social surroundings of man are his aesthetic, cultural, economic and social surroundings to the extent that those surroundings directly affect or are affected by his physical or biological surroundings (Subsection 3(2))." by the EPA's Environmental Guidelines. even outlines "Aboriginal heritage and culture".

It outlines its objective as to "To protect social surroundings from significant harm". Significant harm is determined by the EPA's mitigation hierarchy, where a proposal has to outline it will use avoid, minimise and rehabilitate to prevent an significant impact to an acceptable level.

As you cant rehabilitate destroyed caves, they were approved as they proposed the preferred mitigation by stating "Avoiding disturbance to heritage sites where practical." in their proposal to get approved.

They dealt with traditional land holders, and the EPA guidelines, got approval on the proposal by stating they will avoid disturbance yet blow it up.
 
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ISIS cruise around in Hiluxes.

Yet the AFL continue to accept cash from Toyota.

Disgraceful.

Other AFL sponsors....

Carlton Draught - alcohol bad
Coca Cola - sugary drinks bad
Coles - they sell all sorts of bad sh*t
McDonalds - fat kids bad
Nab - bank that (probably) funds various bad things and non woke activities

AFL should really just go back to being amateur so they don't have to keep taking money from evil corporate organisations
Always reminds me of the US guy who's old Hilux, that he'd traded in years earlier, appeared on the front page of a news report being used by terrorists - still proudly displaying his company logo. His business whatever it was got hate mail, boycotts, death threats etc and it had nothing to do with him. It had been through about 5 sets of hands and wound up as an SVBIED. Then there's stuff like this -

 
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Baron Gil Of McLauglinland will be in deep cover today. After a story in today's Guardian (see link below) there will be pressure on him to explain why the AFL continues to accept sponsorship dollars from disgraced pariah company Rio Tinto.

Almost 20 years ago Taliban religious zealots destroyed two massive Buddhist statues in Afghanistan. They rendered the 2000 yo statues to dust via rockets. This year Rio Tinto destroyed 45,000 year old Aboriginal sites in WA. They similarly blew them up.

The scandal led to the heads of the CEO and few other execs being placed on spikes, but the company will be keen to move on. Its government relations and PR crews complete with a few buckets of sponsorship $s will be super active.

Baron Gil loves Indigenous Round and the chance to pontificate like a sanctimonious small L Tory. However he does not do much when issues get serious. When some quite conservative corporate sector folk voice concern about the actions of the rogue company, surely it is time for Baron Gil to have a look over the parapets of his castle.

I suspect the AFL media flunkies will be out and about today cooling the jets of any sports journo who has the gumption to query whether the AFL should take $'s from Rio Tinto.

Why attack rio and not the western australian government? What rio did was legal because the wa government is crooked. Your anger is in the wrong spot.
 
Why attack rio and not the western australian government? What rio did was legal because the wa government is crooked. Your anger is in the wrong spot.

Filth govt as were the Tories who put the legislation in place.
 

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Why attack rio and not the western australian government? What rio did was legal because the wa government is crooked. Your anger is in the wrong spot.
Not everything that is legal is sensible. Why excuse corporations for perpetrating evil, even if they faced no penalty for doing so?
 
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Not everything that is legal is sensible. Why excuse corporations for perpetrating evil, even if they faced no penalty for doing so?
Perpetuating evil? Are you serious. They didnt hurt anybody.

and if you think its evil do you think the wa government is evil? They are the ones who signed off on it.

its governments jobs to set approriate rules and regulations. Thats what a society based on rule of law is about. The government failed here. The only actions that should be banned are the ones banned by law. Otherwise people can be condemned on a whim as in tin pot third world countries. People locked up because someone didnt like something they did or said even though they had no idea it was wrong because there is no objective way to measure wrong except by law. Law is the only thing that should define what is right or wrong in our actions. And if we dont like the laws we aim to get them changed. Not condemn those who do the right thing legally.
 

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Perpetuating evil? Are you serious. They didnt hurt anybody.
I'm very serious. They hurt humanity for destroying anthropological records, as well as the local Aboriginal nation for destroying their cultural heritage and records of their ancestors.

and if you think its evil do you think the wa government is evil? They are the ones who signed off on it.
Of course I do. But I'm not going to let a corporation off the hook just because the government were moronic.

The only actions that should be banned are the ones banned by law.
Did I say otherwise?

Otherwise people can be condemned on a whim as in tin pot third world countries.
You know what's more like a tinpot third world country? Not being allowed to criticise a corporation for actions that destroyed valuable cultural heritage to fatten their wallets.

People locked up because someone didnt like something they did or said even though they had no idea it was wrong.
This is why people think you're ridiculous. Nobody mentioned locking anyone up before you went on your histrionic diatribe.
 
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There would have been many meetings with staff and consultants to get this into the proposal "Avoiding disturbance to heritage sites where practical." so they could blow up ancient aboriginal caves where convenient to them for financial gain. Companies like this spend millions to get proposals approved by the EPA. No malice but greed.

The EPA, well fancy that. Nah, not the EPA.

That companys leaders have been shown the door, unlike us here in Melbourne listening to a bunch of assorted public servants, politicians & political staffers up to their armpits in lies & half truths, who effectively control the GF for the next 40 years in a deal between the encumbents behind closed doors that excluded others.
Rotten too.
 

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Delighted to hear the AFL has decided to no longer take money from Rio Tinto.

Goodonya AFL.

ridicilous over reaction.

they take money from the gambling companies, allow their clubs to have poker machines but they are making an incredibly shallow virtue-signaling act by dumping Rio who actually had zero malice in what they did.

complete joke.
 
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ridicilous over reaction.

they take money from the gambling companies, allow their clubs to have poker machines but they are making an incredibly shallow virtue-signaling act by dumping Rio who actually had zero malice in what they did.

complete joke.

The transparency of their hypocrisy should be apparent to them, or has no one told them.
 

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The Taliban blew up religious sites because they are zealots.

There was no such malice in what Rio Tinto did. There wasn't a group of white men in a meeting saying "how can we blow up ancient aboriginal caves?"
Which worse?

The Taliban made a conscious (but horrible) decision.

Rio Tinto just didn't give a s**t and decided to act like there was no decision to be made. This way they get to blame the law and the process and not take any moral responsibility.
 

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Why attack rio and not the western australian government? What rio did was legal because the wa government is crooked. Your anger is in the wrong spot.

So when the Minerals Councils essentially bribe the WA and Comm Govts (with donations etc) then the Govts do them favours, then they take the favours too far, it's only the Govt to blame?

Not the companies doing the bribing (legal form of), extracting favours then destroying irreplaceable cultural heritage.

Somebody at that company made a decision to blow up that cave knowing roughly what the consequences would be (then multiple people up the line signed it off, also knowing what they were doing). Those horrible people are still at the company, faced zero consequences and would do the same thing again. People genuinely concerned about heritage don't last long at companies like that. The greenwashing comms teams have no input, they just sponsor the footy and indigenous programs while the mining teams get on with whatever they want and the comms teams get paid more, the more the mining team stuffs up their reputation.
 

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learn a thing about mining especially all the restrictions and regulations large companies have to go through. there are department that deal with tradational land holders. long before any exploration drilling or blasting can take place traditional land holders do scour the areas

Those negotiations with traditional owners were exposed for the fraud they are. Everyone knew where these artifacts were and what they meant. Only Rio knew they could get away with blowing them up from a legal viewpoint.

The traditional owners had to give 60 days' written notice before going public or to Govt with any complaints about anything. Considering they told the owners they were going to blow it up with less than 60 days to demolition, they were left with no legal choice.

Those Departments mostly exist to facilitate this type of destruction. It should be the other way around. The traditional owners should be the ones who have the last say on what gets blown up and what doesn't and the company/Department works around that.
 

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ridicilous over reaction.

they take money from the gambling companies, allow their clubs to have poker machines but they are making an incredibly shallow virtue-signaling act by dumping Rio who actually had zero malice in what they did.

complete joke.
Zero malice 😂😂😂 what did you say about complete jokes?
 

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Given Qatar Airways have seen fit to randomly pull Australian citizens off flights and effectively rape them, will the Swans now be dumping them as sponsors or is violence against women still ok for the AFL to support ?.
 
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