List Mgmt. 2020 Trade and List Management Thread II

[DuckYeah]

Dildo Barrett is a drama queen. He has nothing so regurgitates his own old stories.
SOS actually said there was nothing wrong with what North have done previously in trying to get Clarkson, Simmons or horse.
To suggest we have stuffed up as we have to payout Rhyce is downright shithouse and shows the type of person he is.
Hopefully one day he runs into Archer is a lift and the doors close !!

We arent paying Rhyce. He quit

 

[Tas]

800 front loaded may be. St Kilda blew their “war chest”, is Carlisle 100% gone? Is he currently contracted?

The loading shouldn't matter, it will be the total amount over the length of the contract.

 

[ferball]

Fair to say several of them probably didn't show their best side though, hard to isolate one guilty party from greatly afar.

It's hard not to speculate and make judgements based on very little info. We all want to know what happened because ... * things looked so good at the end of last year. How did it all fall in such a big hole?

 

[DuckYeah]

The loading shouldn't matter, it will be the total amount over the length of the contract.

You would be god damn insane to be paying an inside mid that much coin.. so, Cunnington is worth 1.5? s**t

 

[nj23]

No, he would need to be in the top 5% of AFL players to trigger band 1, that is he would need to be within the top 36 paid players, given how many are sitting on 900k+ deals I can't see it happening. We are talking about amounts excluding triggers or conditions.

Grain of salt with the source some names of interest published 27th July 2020:

• Brad Crouch at #74 on about $675k.
• Talia at #64 on about $675k.
• Matt Crouch at #49 on about $725
• Tex Walker at #33 on about $750k.
• Tim Kelly listed as #27 at about 800k.
• De Goey at #25.
• Shiel at #22.
• Josh Kelly at #19.
• GAGF at #18.
• R Sloane is the highest ranked ADE player at #15 on about $850k.
• B Hill is the highest ranked STK player at #12 on about $900k.

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[ferball]

That was the key to his great year. Fitness. Simple as that.

Same with Garner too.

Sharing a place probably worked well for them.

 

[Psicosis]

I heard he suggested that Psicosis and DuckYeah do a podcast together. Working title: PsicoDuck

Not enough Rad in this though!

 

[ferball]

It's a bit different in the US because by the time they get drafted, players have generally already lived away from their home town/city/state through college, plus you don't have all the teams bunched into a handful of states - you could literally go anywhere within the country (or even Canada). AFL on the other hand, kids are drafted straight out of high school and living at home, so it's a different level of adjustment.

Imagine being 17, growing up in Melbourne, getting drafted by a club here and then 24 hours later you're actually going to Perth or Brisbane? Obviously you would have already prepared for the possibility but it'd still be a blow.

Kids in the US go to college after high school ... and usually finish high school later than us by a year? Is that right? If so that four or five years older after living out of home in a stable environment.

If not a year younger, either way early twenties when they are drafted.

 

[giantroo]

CLUBS HAVE BEEN WARNED COMPENSATION IS:

* Not designed to fully compensate a club for the loss of a player

* Designed to reflect the relative values of various players to one another

* Not designed to make concession for the ladder position of a club losing a player, but standardise compensation across five categories of picks.


COMPENSATION

* Clubs can ask for an indication of their draft compensation before they decide to match a rival club’s offer. But the AFL has said clubs will not get a definitive answer on the draft pick they would receive until the offer from a rival club was official.

* The formula for compensation is based on the size and length of the contract and the age of the player. For instance, Brendon Goddard would almost certainly deliver a first-round pick.

* The AFL will use five bands of draft selections to determine compensation. These are first round, end of first round, second round, end of second round and third round.

AFL free agency: how it works

An explanation of how the free agency process works in the AFL. The free agency peroid is between October 1-19.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Tas]

Grain of salt with the source some names of interest published 27th July 2020:

• Brad Crouch at #74 on about $675k.
• Talia at #64 on about $675k.
• Matt Crouch at #49 on about $725
• Tex Walker at #33 on about $750k.
• Tim Kelly listed as #27 at about 800k.
• De Goey at #25.
• Shiel at #22.
• Josh Kelly at #19.
• GAGF at #18.
• R Sloane is the highest ranked ADE player at #15 on about $850k.
• B Hill is the highest ranked STK player at #12 on about $900k.

NoCookies | The Australian

www.theaustralian.com.au

The major problem for Adelaide is a lot of players are holding pre-covid contracts when the TPP was much higher, even if Crouch was worthy of the money (which he isn't), it would be much harder to squeeze them into the 2021+ TPP.

 

[deano28]

As GR pointed out a few days ago , Jay Clark was spot on with the contract amount agreed to by Crouch’s management from StKilda 5yrs@600k . There are triggers for a 5th year but those triggers aren’t hard to reach .

If Adelaide manage to squeeze pick2 out of this even after the AFL forewarned that clubs should not expect full compensation then any journalist worth a damn should be all over it , will they though ? I expect not .

 

[Psicosis]

CLUBS HAVE BEEN WARNED COMPENSATION IS:

* Not designed to fully compensate a club for the loss of a player

* Designed to reflect the relative values of various players to one another

* Not designed to make concession for the ladder position of a club losing a player, but standardise compensation across five categories of picks.


COMPENSATION

* Clubs can ask for an indication of their draft compensation before they decide to match a rival club’s offer. But the AFL has said clubs will not get a definitive answer on the draft pick they would receive until the offer from a rival club was official.

* The formula for compensation is based on the size and length of the contract and the age of the player. For instance, Brendon Goddard would almost certainly deliver a first-round pick.

* The AFL will use five bands of draft selections to determine compensation. These are first round, end of first round, second round, end of second round and third round.

AFL free agency: how it works

An explanation of how the free agency process works in the AFL. The free agency peroid is between October 1-19.

www.theage.com.au

GR - What happens if hypothetically the initial offer only gets them Band 2, so St Kilda then Ups the offer another 100k to obviously get Adelaide to not match?

Is that allowed, or is the first offer the final offer?

 

[hilly]

GR - What happens if hypothetically the initial offer only gets them Band 2, so St Kilda then Ups the offer another 100k to obviously get Adelaide to not match?

Is that allowed, or is the first offer the final offer?

The latter. There is one lodgement for a FA.

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[hilly]

I think most people leave their current employer without knowing their next payday.

They know the deal and are adjusting it to get Band 1. It has been the same process the last couple of years.

Crouch would know. I think Tas meant it hadn't been lodged.

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[giantroo]

GR - What happens if hypothetically the initial offer only gets them Band 2, so St Kilda then Ups the offer another 100k to obviously get Adelaide to not match?

Is that allowed, or is the first offer the final offer?

That's the offer.

 

[giantroo]

From the 2017-2022 CBA:

1.4 Movement of Free Agents

(a) Other than where a Free Agent enters into a Contract of Service following selection in a Draft or as part of an exchange under the AFL Rules, a Free Agent may only enter into a Contract of Service for the following AFL Season or an agreement, arrangement or understanding to enter into a Contract of Service for the following AFL Season during the applicable Free Agency Period, unless he enters into a new Contract of Service with his Current Club prior to or during that period.

(b) Where a Club enters into a Contract of Service or an agreement, arrangement or understanding to enter into a Contract of Service with a Free Agent during the applicable Free Agency Period the Club must promptly lodge with the AFL a completed and accurate form in the form prescribed in Schedule 1 as Form 42 of the AFL Rules.

(c) Upon entry into a Contract of Service by a Club and Free Agent, the relevant Club must lodge documents with the AFL in accordance with the AFL Rules.

(d) A Player may, by Power of Attorney, appoint an attorney to sign a document on his behalf under this Rule.

(e) Any Contract of Service entered into under Rule 1.4 shall take effect on 1 November in that year.

(f) For the avoidance of doubt, any Club wishing to enter into a Contract of Service with a Free Agent after lodgement of Football Payments pursuant to the AFL Rules, must first seek the approval of the Investigations Manager.

1.5 Movement of Restricted Free Agents

(a) Other than where a Restricted Free Agent enters into a Contract of Service following selection via the Draft or as part of an exchange under the AFL Rules, a Restricted Free Agent may only enter into a Contract of Service for the following AFL Season or an agreement, arrangement or understanding to enter into a Contract of Service for the following AFL Season:

(i) during the applicable Free Agency Period;

(ii) for a minimum term of two years; and

(iii) subject to the other provisions of this Rule 1.5,

(b) unless he enters into a new Contract of Service with his Current Club.

(c) A Restricted Free Agent who wishes to enter into a Contract of Service with a Club other than his Current Club (Offering Club), other than via the Draft or as part of an exchange under the Rules, may only seek to do so during the applicable Free Agency Period and must first submit to the AFL full details of one proposed contract, arrangement, agreement or understanding (including details of any Additional Services agreement payments) in the form prescribed in Schedule 1 as Form 41 of the AFL Rules, signed by both the relevant Player and the Offering Club (Offer). The full details of the Offer must be submitted to the AFL within 24 hours of finalising those details and by no later than the end of the applicable Free Agency Period.

(d) AFL will promptly provide a copy of the Offer to the Restricted Free Agent’s Current Club.

(e) The Restricted Free Agent’s Current Club has the right to match the proposed contract, arrangement, agreement or understanding in respect of the Restricted Free Agent on identical terms to the Offer in relation to each of:

(i) contract length;

(ii) base payments;

(iii) total match payment rates;

(iv) total Additional Services agreement payments; and

(v) total performance incentives based on AFL awards or honours, Club best and fairest finish and matches played, but excluding Finals.


(f) For the avoidance of doubt, incentive payments for team performance are not required to be matched by the Current Club.

(g) If a Restricted Free Agent’s Current Club wants to match the terms of the Offer under Rule 1.5(e) it must provide notice to AFL using the form prescribed in Schedule 1 as Form 41 of the AFL Rules (Matching Offer). The Matching Offer must be provided to AFL within three days of the Current Club receiving the Offer from the AFL.

(h) AFL will promptly provide a copy of any Matching Offer to the relevant Restricted Free Agent.

(i) Where a Restricted Free Agent’s Current Club matches the Offer and the Player wishes to participate in the AFL Competition in the following year, the Restricted Free Agent must either:

(i) enter into a Contract of Service in accordance with the Matching Offer with his Current Club within 7 days of the provision of notice of the Matching Offer to the restricted Free Agent under Rule 1.5(g); or

(ii) nominate for the Draft (unless the Player is part of an exchange under the AFL Rules.

(j) A Restricted Free Agent may only undertake the process set out in Rule 1.5(c) once in total in any year in which he is a Restricted Free Agent.

(k) Where:

(i) a Restricted Free Agent’s Current Club does not match the terms of the Offer in accordance with the process and within the time period prescribed by Rule 1.5(g), and

(ii) the Restricted Free Agent and his Current Club, have not agreed to enter into a Contract of Service on different terms to the Offer within three days of the Current Club receiving the Offer from the AFL,

(l) the relevant Player and the Offering Club must promptly enter into a Contract of Service in accordance with the terms of the Offer and lodge documents with the AFL in accordance with the AFL Rules.

(m) Nothing in this Rule 1.5 prevents a Restricted Free Agent’s Current Club making an offer, or a Restricted Free Agent accepting an offer from his Current Club, in relation to a Player’s services on different terms to the Offer within three days of the Current Club receiving the Offer from the AFL.

(n) A Player may, by Power of Attorney, appoint an attorney to sign a document on his behalf under this Rule.

(o) Any Contract of Service entered into under this Rule 1.5 shall take effect on 1 November in the relevant year.

(p) Where any Club enters into a Contract of Service with a Restricted Free Agent under Rule 1.5(i) or (i) (and for the avoidance of doubt, not in the case of a Contract of Service entered into under Rule 1.5(m) the Club may elect to allocate payments under the Contract of Service (including incentives) and any Additional Services agreement to the relevant Player evenly over the period of the contract(s) for Total Player Payment purposes, subject to the approval of the General Counsel. The Club must make any election to allocate payments under this Rule within 7 days of entry into the Contract of Service and immediately notify the AFL of the election. Any election by the Club to allocate payments under this Rule does not impact the time for actual payments to the Player, which must be in accordance with the contract(s).

1.6 Compensation

(a) Where in a particular year one or more Free Agent(s) under Rule 1.1(a) and Rule 1.2(b) and/or Restricted Free Agent(s) move from a Club’s Playing List (the first mentioned Club) to the Playing List of one or more other Clubs pursuant to the operation of Rule 1.4 or 1.5, the first mentioned Club may be entitled to a compensatory selection(s) in the next occurring National Draft Selection Meeting as follows:

(i) any compensatory selection(s) shall be allocated in accordance with guidelines determined by the AFL;

(ii) National Draft Selections will be allocated to one of five places:

(A) First round;

(B) End of First Round;

(C) Second Round;

(D) End of Second Round;

(E) Third Round;

(iii) a National Draft Selection allocated under Rule 1.6(a)(ii)(A), (C) or (E) shall be taken by the Club immediately after the Club’s selection in that Round (as determined by the AFL Rules);

(b) For the avoidance of doubt, any entitlement to a compensatory selection:

(i) may be exchanged in accordance with the AFL Rules;

(ii) cannot be utilised pursuant to the Father/Son rule; and

(iii) cannot be utilised pursuant to the Listing of Club Academy Player.

1.7 Rule Compliance Paramount

Any Rules restricting the time for Clubs to enter into contracts, agreements, arrangements or understandings with a Player who is included on the List of another Club are of paramount importance. Nothing in this Rule limits the operation of the AFL Rules.

1.8 Effect of Breach of Free Agency Rules

A breach of the Free Agency Rules by a Player shall be dealt with pursuant to the AFL Rules and not pursuant to the terms of this Agreement.

 

[Footywizard]

As long as we end up with hollands or mcdonald with our first im happy

I'd be like plough and "spew up" if we get thilthorp

 

[Passmore]

As long as we end up with hollands or mcdonald with our first im happy

I'd be like plough and "spew up" if we get thilthorp

What if Thilthorpe turns out to be better?

 

[dollarscost]

As long as we end up with hollands or mcdonald with our first im happy

I'd be like plough and "spew up" if we get thilthorp

I feel like we'd probably go with Grainger-Barras at 3 if Adelaide ended up with McDonald and Hollands at 1 and 2 (should they get that compensation, god forbid).

 

[Psicosis]

The whole AFL world is going to have their eyes on the Crouch secret herbs and spices. I’m prepping for the worst...

Sets a real bad precendence and ruins entire credibility of FA compensation. It’s the only reason I think the AFL might not give them 2. Otherwise, they will have to completely change the system next year.

 

[leighlee13]

I understand him being pissed, but that sounds out of character.

I thought he seemed really invested in the club. Maybe he was just voicing his disappointment due to how much he loved being at the club.

 

[1975]

Oh

Oh no!! Our chances have finished!

Barrett is a F#*king scumbag reptile who’s opinion is not worth the sweat off a warthogs balls, in fact putting his name in the same sentence as a warthogs balls is a insult to warthogs.
F#*k that slimy piece of s**t!!!

 

[ferball]

I heard he suggested that Psicosis and DuckYeah do a podcast together. Working title: PsicoDuck

Oooooo

Better run, run, run, run away

 

[Passmore]

If St Kilda are handing a good, handy plodder $800k over 4 after paying Hill $900 pa, easy seeing why they are $12m in the red.

 

[blackshadow]

CLUBS HAVE BEEN WARNED COMPENSATION IS:

* Not designed to fully compensate a club for the loss of a player

* Designed to reflect the relative values of various players to one another

* Not designed to make concession for the ladder position of a club losing a player, but standardise compensation across five categories of picks.


COMPENSATION

* Clubs can ask for an indication of their draft compensation before they decide to match a rival club’s offer. But the AFL has said clubs will not get a definitive answer on the draft pick they would receive until the offer from a rival club was official.

* The formula for compensation is based on the size and length of the contract and the age of the player. For instance, Brendon Goddard would almost certainly deliver a first-round pick.

* The AFL will use five bands of draft selections to determine compensation. These are first round, end of first round, second round, end of second round and third round.

AFL free agency: how it works

An explanation of how the free agency process works in the AFL. The free agency peroid is between October 1-19.

www.theage.com.au

But what has changed if anything in 8 years?