List Mgmt. 2020 Trade and List Management Thread II

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Hawks now likely to trade a late pick for Hartigan to "protect" their Isaac Smith compo.

210 games, 3 flags yet they're wrangling to get a second rounder. Great system Gil.
 
ferball said:
Seriously tho, in what universe is Danniher worth pick seven?
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I think that is down to a combination of his age, his offer at the bears and the AFL's fudge factor to assist the big clubs.

They say that the bears offer is multi-year at $700K p/a

On the basis that big Joe the Mo has played 15 games in three seasons and is about as resilient as a bag of marshmallow, that $700K is an outrageously generous offer. If he crumbles after half a dozen games it could end up that he's paid hundreds of thousands per game. Good luck to him I suppose - at least he has shown the gumption to up and exit from *

And Brown. Serious indications that he's worth a pick in the 20's.

* me.
 
DaveyBoy123 said:
I haven't listened to it, so there may be some other trade that he discussed... But how does getting an end of 2nd rounder (at best) for one of our best players become a win for us?
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Because it might get Dangers his much deserved premiership. Our contribution should make us humble and proud.
 
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SonofSamsquanch said:
I think that is down to a combination of his age, his offer at the bears and the AFL's fudge factor to assist the big clubs.

They say that the bears offer is multi-year at $700K p/a

On the basis that big Joe the Mo has played 15 games in three seasons and is about as resilient as a bag of marshmallow, that $700K is an outrageously generous offer. If he crumbles after half a dozen games it could end up that he's paid hundreds of thousands per game. Good luck to him I suppose - at least he has shown the gumption to up and exit from *

And Brown. Serious indications that he's worth a pick in the 20's.

fu** me.
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There was some talk the Bears deal is chock-full of triggers. The Bombers may get a surprise because triggers don't count.
 
Crows and Saints sweat on compensation, Broad set to stay a Tiger

By Daniel Cherny
October 29, 2020 — 7.21pm





Adelaide and St Kilda are sweating on what the AFL's secret free agency compensation formula delivers for them when the Saints lodge paperwork in a bid to land Crows midfielder Brad Crouch as early as Friday.

The Crows have been on record declaring their preparedness to match a bid for 2019 best and fairest Crouch, who has signalled his intentions to join the Saints on a deal of up to five years.

Adelaide are hopeful that St Kilda's offer will trigger a top-band compensation pick which would grant the Crows pick No. 2 in the upcoming national draft.

However Adelaide won't know for certain whether the Saints' deal for Crouch is good enough to get the Crows that prized selection until they receive correspondence from the AFL once St Kilda have lodged the terms of the contract with the league.

The free agency window opens on Friday morning, from which time the Saints can make their submission to the league. Outgoing AFL compliance officer Ken Wood and legal counsel Andrew Dillon are among the tiny group of people that know the league's top-secret free agency compensation formula which is based on the terms of the relevant player's contract offer.

Once a club seeking to obtain a restricted free agent makes its offer, the AFL runs the contract through its formula - sources close to the situation insist there is no discretion involved - to determine which band the offer falls under. The league then communicates the details of the offer and the compensation selection to the player's current club, who then have three days to decide whether or not to match a bid.

The Saints would much prefer the Crows not match the St Kilda offer for Crouch as they don't want to be forced to give up a pick for him. Sources familiar with the situation said the Saints were contemplating tinkering with their offer in a bid to boost the chances the deal triggers pick No. 2 for Adelaide.

A bid on a restricted free agent has never been matched since the league introduced free agency eight years ago but that streak appears poised to end over the coming days. Greater Western Sydney have indicated they are likely to match Geelong's bid for spearhead Jeremy Cameron with a view to forcing a trade which could reap the Giants some of the Cats' three first-round draft picks, and perhaps a player.


Brisbane have been optimistic that their contract offer for Joe Daniher will be enough to warrant a top band compensation pick for Essendon which would prevent the Lions from needing to facilitate a trade with the Dons.

The Giants also have the option to match bids for Aidan Corr (North Melbourne) and Zac Williams (Carlton), both of whom are also restricted free agents. However the fact the Kangaroos and Blues don't have as compelling draft hands as the Cats makes GWS much less likely to match bids for that pair.
Adelaide pair Rory Atkins and Kyle Hartigan, both of whom are unrestricted free agents, should safely make their way to Gold Coast and Hawthorn respectively as early as Friday.

Meanwhile three-time Richmond premiership player Nathan Broad is poised to remain at Punt Road. Sources close to the situation confirmed the West Australian is likely to sign a new contract with the Tigers despite interest from Gold Coast.
 
Thewlis Dish said:
Hawks now likely to trade a late pick for Hartigan to "protect" their Isaac Smith compo.

210 games, 3 flags yet they're wrangling to get a second rounder. Great system Gil.
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do you seriously get Compo Picks for guys that are 31?
 
giantroo said:
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Once a club seeking to obtain a restricted free agent makes its offer, the AFL runs the contract through its formula - sources close to the situation insist there is no discretion involved...
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Yeah.

Right.
 

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GS WARRIORS said:
How old was Waite when he came across? I don't think they got anything.

How old was Wells when he left?
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Wells was 31. Second round compo.

The biggest WTF was Ty Vickery being worth second round compo that very same year.
 
Be prepared for the worst with this Crouch shitshow. Guy is worth a Pick in the 20’s and that’s about it.

The big factor in this is the head honcho in Gil is a Saints man, so it wouldn’t surprise me if he ok’s a deal to help his beloved Saints out and prevents them from having to trade.
 
How Dees plan to pull off double trade heist
- Jay Clark

Melbourne will attempt to pull-off a double-play for Ben Brown and Isaac Smith in the trade period to help significantly bolster its scoring power for next season.

The Demons are strong contenders for full forward Brown and wingman Smith but will strongly consider moving on swingman Tom McDonald and back-up ruckman Braydon Preuss.

Smith, 31, is torn between staying at the Hawks on a two-year deal where he would finish as a one-club premiership hero, or accepting a three-year contract to add some speed and polish on a wing at Melbourne.

Geelong is also in the mix for Smith.


The Demons want Brown, 27, and could yet become the only club to make a meaningful bid for the goal kicker on the back of a poor year hampered by a season-ending knee injury.

Essendon is also considering making a play but has not banged down the door for Brown.

If Melbourne wins Brown’s signature, the club plans to play the goal kicker and Weideman in the same forward line, while the versatile Luke Jackson would support Max Gawn in the ruck.

Weideman, 23, had an excellent year in attack for Melbourne but could have done with some aerial support late in the season as the Dees narrowly missed the finals.

The Demons could offer a second or future second-round pick for Brown, while Smith would come for nothing as an unrestricted free agent.

Smith still feels a strong emotional attachment to Hawthorn where he has won three premierships and has taken time making up his mind.

Brown’s arrival at Melbourne would most likely end McDonald’s time under Simon Goodwin as Brown would take his spot in the forward line.

McDonald, 28, has struggled with form over the past two seasons and lost his spot in Melbourne’s senior side in Round 13 this year.

The swingman has emerged as a replacement option for Jeremy Cameron at Greater Western Sydney if the Coleman Medalist, as expected, makes a move to Geelong.

As the Herald Sun revealed on Monday, the Giants are also considering Fremantle’s Jesse Hogan.

The Demons could package up Preuss and McDonald in the same trade deal with the Giants in a move that could net the Demons a first-round pick for the pair from GWS.


GWS want multiple first-round picks from the Cats for Cameron but Geelong remains reluctant to give them up.

It is understood there had been little ground made on a Cameron deal between the Cats and Giants as of Wednesday.

The Giants are also set to receive a first-round free agency compensation pick for Zac Williams who has chosen to continue his career at Carlton.

If the Demons are unable to prise Smith, North Melbourne’s Jared Polec will be a consideration but his big salary is a significant hurdle to any trade deal.

Melbourne is also excited about developing wingman Oskar Baker who could command a regular senior spot in the midfield on the opposite wing to Ed Langdon next year.

The Demons have rejected all inquiries into Angus Brayshaw and Clayton Oliver.
 
Going nowhere: Crows and Saints struggle for common ground in their prolonged Brad Crouch deal



Life wasn’t meant to be easy as St Kilda and Adelaide are discovering in their drawn-out trade deal, as the Saints dig their heels in over what it will cost them to get Brad Crouch.

Jay Clark

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St Kilda’s bid for Brad Crouch may be delayed as the Saints and Crows continue talks over the star onballer’s future.

The Saints want to secure Crouch as a free agent to help partner Jack Steele in bolstered engine room next year.

But the Crows have said they will consider matching a free agency bid from the Saints if Crouch’s new salary nets Adelaide an end-of-first-round pick only.
The negotiations are ongoing, meaning the Saints’ bid may be pushed back until at least Saturday.

The Saints’ strong preference is to keep their first pick (No. 15) to use on a player in this year’s draft, however the Crows may push to nab the Saints’ future first-round pick for Crouch as part of a trade.

Chief operating officer Simon Lethlean said: “We don’t want to be using our first-round pick this year for trade, we want to use it for picking (young talent in the draft)”.

The AFL’s free agency period will open on Friday with the Crows hopeful but not confident Crouch’s new salary at St Kilda would net them the prized No. 2 pick as compensation.

Sources indicated on Thursday night Crouch’s new salary was unlikely to make him a top-three paid player at Moorabbin.

There are high hopes Ballarat product Crouch, who is managed by W Sports & Media, will be able to flourish at the fast-rising Saints from next season.

He is set to sign a long-term deal with the Crows unlikely to keep him at the club in 2021 after drawn-out talks on his future.

Lethlean said “there was still work to do” on the Crouch deal.

“If the Crows elect to match (the free agency bid), the player either stays or you organise a trade,” Lethlean said on SEN.

“We’ve only got a certain amount of assets by which to facilitate a trade, so our strong preference is to receive the player under free agency.

“That is all part of the dance, that if the deal is such that the Crows want to match it that is their right, as the rules permit.”
 
giantroo said:
Crows and Saints sweat on compensation, Broad set to stay a Tiger

By Daniel Cherny
October 29, 2020 — 7.21pm





Adelaide and St Kilda are sweating on what the AFL's secret free agency compensation formula delivers for them when the Saints lodge paperwork in a bid to land Crows midfielder Brad Crouch as early as Friday.

The Crows have been on record declaring their preparedness to match a bid for 2019 best and fairest Crouch, who has signalled his intentions to join the Saints on a deal of up to five years.

Adelaide are hopeful that St Kilda's offer will trigger a top-band compensation pick which would grant the Crows pick No. 2 in the upcoming national draft.

However Adelaide won't know for certain whether the Saints' deal for Crouch is good enough to get the Crows that prized selection until they receive correspondence from the AFL once St Kilda have lodged the terms of the contract with the league.

The free agency window opens on Friday morning, from which time the Saints can make their submission to the league. Outgoing AFL compliance officer Ken Wood and legal counsel Andrew Dillon are among the tiny group of people that know the league's top-secret free agency compensation formula which is based on the terms of the relevant player's contract offer.

Once a club seeking to obtain a restricted free agent makes its offer, the AFL runs the contract through its formula - sources close to the situation insist there is no discretion involved - to determine which band the offer falls under. The league then communicates the details of the offer and the compensation selection to the player's current club, who then have three days to decide whether or not to match a bid.

The Saints would much prefer the Crows not match the St Kilda offer for Crouch as they don't want to be forced to give up a pick for him. Sources familiar with the situation said the Saints were contemplating tinkering with their offer in a bid to boost the chances the deal triggers pick No. 2 for Adelaide.

A bid on a restricted free agent has never been matched since the league introduced free agency eight years ago but that streak appears poised to end over the coming days. Greater Western Sydney have indicated they are likely to match Geelong's bid for spearhead Jeremy Cameron with a view to forcing a trade which could reap the Giants some of the Cats' three first-round draft picks, and perhaps a player.


Brisbane have been optimistic that their contract offer for Joe Daniher will be enough to warrant a top band compensation pick for Essendon which would prevent the Lions from needing to facilitate a trade with the Dons.

The Giants also have the option to match bids for Aidan Corr (North Melbourne) and Zac Williams (Carlton), both of whom are also restricted free agents. However the fact the Kangaroos and Blues don't have as compelling draft hands as the Cats makes GWS much less likely to match bids for that pair.
Adelaide pair Rory Atkins and Kyle Hartigan, both of whom are unrestricted free agents, should safely make their way to Gold Coast and Hawthorn respectively as early as Friday.

Meanwhile three-time Richmond premiership player Nathan Broad is poised to remain at Punt Road. Sources close to the situation confirmed the West Australian is likely to sign a new contract with the Tigers despite interest from Gold Coast.
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The village idiot obviously came up with this system. The absolute top compensation received should be end of first round. Why should 17 other clubs be punished because one failed to retain a player.

F me. It’s not that hard AFL. Idiots.


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Roomoo said:
The village idiot obviously came up with this system. The absolute top compensation received should be end of first round. Why should 17 other clubs be punished because one failed to retain a player.

F me. It’s not that hard AFL. Idiots.


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If the AFL grant Pick 2 for Brad Crouch then the system is well and truly ****ed.

The messaging this sends is that they are happy for clubs to rort this system.
 
Roomoo said:
The village idiot obviously came up with this system. The absolute top compensation received should be end of first round. Why should 17 other clubs be punished because one failed to retain a player.

F me. It’s not that hard AFL. Idiots.


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We may as well fold if we willingly go in seeking a single 2nd rounder in trade for a bloke who was top 3 in the Coleman 3 yrs running and only lost one of them because Richmond went out of their way to make sure Riewoldt got over the line.
 
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