Macron, secular society & Islam counter society

[ep2018]

I gotta say as trashy as Christianity is at least they can (mostly) take s**t and not start on a murderous rampage.

 

[HairyO]

They're all religions of peace.

Trump and Biden are both the same. Scomo and whoever leads The Greens are the same too.

 

[Evolved1]

Trump and Biden are both the same. Scomo and whoever leads The Greens are the same too.

Christianity and Islam have a lot more in common than Scomo and the leader of the greens.

The main difference between Christianity and Islam is that Muslims actually try to follow their book.

 

[HairyO]

Christianity and Islam have a lot more in common than Scomo and the leader of the greens.

The main difference between Christianity and Islam is that Muslims actually try to follow their book.

So the vast majority of Christians left the Dark Ages and realised the Bible is a bunch of parables to try and lead a good life while Islam is very much stuck in the Dark Ages with the literal following an absolute.

That said, I dont think the Quran says a lot about beheading teachers and cartoonists.

 

[Evolved1]

So the vast majority of Christians left the Dark Ages and realised the Bible is a bunch of parables to try and lead a good life while Islam is very much stuck in the Dark Ages with the literal following an absolute.

That said, I dont think the Quran says a lot about beheading teachers and cartoonists.

'The truth' requires a lot of interpretation and can be made to say nearly anything.

There are Christian groups who are champing at the bit to turn the US into a theocracy, and we have a smaller number of that type in Australia. A subset of those would gladly support introduction of the death penalty for homosexuality and make abortion illegal.

Secular society is the only thing taming Christianity.

 

[HairyO]

'The truth' requires a lot of interpretation and can be made to say nearly anything.

There are Christian groups who are champing at the bit to turn the US into a theocracy, and we have a smaller number of that type in Australia. A subset of those would gladly support introduction of the death penalty for homosexuality and make abortion illegal.

Secular society is the only thing taming Christianity.

Correct.

But many secular people go very quiet when the discussion turns to Islam.

 

[Evolved1]

Correct.

But many secular people go very quiet when the discussion turns to Islam.

I think the messaging often gets mixed because racist elements get involved in the discussion.

Islamophobia is a nonsensical term though. Legitimate criticism of Islam is fair game and I support freedom of speech over protection of religious sensitivities.

 

[HairyO]

I think the messaging often gets mixed because racist elements get involved in the discussion.

Islamophobia is a nonsensical term though. Legitimate criticism of Islam is fair game and I support freedom of speech over protection of religious sensitivities.

And in 30 or 40 countries that would see you punished. Anywhere from a fine, to beatings, to execution.

Plus the risk of extra-judicial punishment in some countries.

Its been a while since Christians have gone on a murderous rampage over a book.

 

[Seeds]

This is not an argument for legislation banning Catholic schools. Your parents chose to send you there.

no the argument is that all kids should not learn about science through the lense of a religion and they should learn about religion from the point of view of historical human organisation/behaviour. religious classes can be held seperately from school on weeknights or weekends if parents choose to send them there. Plus all kids need to be given the same standard of education to justify equal opportunity as a basis for our society. Religious schools tend to be over privledged.

 

[Seeds]

I gotta say as trashy as Christianity is at least they can (mostly) take sh*t and not start on a murderous rampage.

Me thinks you need to read some history.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

no the argument is that all kids should not learn about science through the lense of a religion and they should learn about religion from the point of view of historical human organisation/behaviour. religious classes can be held seperately from school on weeknights or weekends if parents choose to send them there.

That is a matter for schools and parents, surely.

Plus all kids need to be given the same standard of education to justify equal opportunity as a basis for our society. Religious schools tend to be over privledged.

So private schools should also be banned?

 

[Taylor]

Me thinks you need to read some history.

I think the context of that comment was this century.

You're right that religious education should take place away from school and the discussion of religion at school should be from anthropological perspective.

 

[Seeds]

That is a matter for schools and parents, surely.

So private schools should also be banned?

Yes they should. Then the left cant complain about opportunity not being equal to justify socialism.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Yes they should.

What a load of rubbish. If people want to spend their money educating their children, then so be it.

Then the left cant complain about opportunity not being equal to justify socialism.

WTF? You're a crackpot.

 

[Seeds]

What a load of rubbish. If people want to spend their money educating their children, then so be it.

WTF? You're a crackpot.

And its people like you who are the problem. Selfish people who want an unjust privlege for your kids at the expense of others.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

And its people like you who are the problem.

Because I accept that people can spend their money as they choose?

Selfish people who want an unjust privlege for your kids at the expense of others.

I don't have kids. I couldn't care less. But ultimately people can spend their money as they wish. If they want to spend it educating their kids then so be it. How is that "at the expense of others"?

What about university fees? Should they be banned too?

Should we ban private healthcare as well? Isn't that "unjust privilege"?

You've lost your marbles.

 

[Seeds]

Because I accept that people can spend their money as they choose?

I don't have kids. I couldn't care less. But ultimately people can spend their money as they wish. If they want to spend it educating their kids then so be it. How is that "at the expense of others"?

What about university fees? Should they be banned too?

Should we ban private healthcare as well? Isn't that "unjust privilege"?

You've lost your marbles.

Cos you want to create a world where equal opportunity does not exist. Where wealth is not determined just by merit but by bloodlines. Thats why.

If equal opportunity does not exist then socialism becomes justified.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Cos you want to create a world where equal opportunity does not exist.

You are never going to have a system where all opportunity is perfectly equal. Some people have more money than others. You can't ban them from spending it to educate their children or buy private healthcare.

Where wealth is not determined just by merit but by bloodlines. Thats why.

So should university fees be banned? What about private healthcare?

If equal opportunity does not exist then socialism becomes justified.

This is complete rubbish. You are blethering incoherently.

You claim to be worried about socialism but you are arguing for massive government intervention to prevent people spending their money on services as they choose, driving certain private enterprise out of the market completely.

 

[HairyO]

Cos you want to create a world where equal opportunity does not exist. Where wealth is not determined just by merit but by bloodlines. Thats why.

If equal opportunity does not exist then socialism becomes justified.

If everything was reset to equal, within 50 years we would be back to haves and have-nots.

Because the hard workers would rise and the lazy would fall, and the envious would teach.

 

[DaRick]

Left wingers still okay with the religion of peace ?

The Islamic world has real problems, but this sort of stupidity invariably has links to Wahhabi thought.

It's no real coincidence that Islamic extremism has sprung up over the past 40 years, and that's largely due to the Saudis funding mosques and madrassas, replete with nutjob imams and clerics.

If everything was reset to equal, within 50 years we would be back to haves and have-nots.

Because the hard workers would rise and the lazy would fall, and the envious would teach.

Agree with the first paragraph, the second is mostly just world fallacy - unless you want to suggest to me that manual labourers are lazy?

In reality, inequality exists for many, many reasons.

 

[HairyO]

The Islamic world has real problems, but this sort of stupidity invariably has links to Wahhabi thought.

It's no real coincidence that Islamic extremism has sprung up over the past 40 years, and that's largely due to the Saudis funding mosques and madrassas, replete with nutjob imams and clerics.



Agree with the first paragraph, the second is mostly just world fallacy - unless you want to suggest to me that manual labourers are lazy?

In reality, inequality exists for many, many reasons.

Lazy of mind perhaps. But there are many millionaire tradies.

Entrepreneurs will always make money unless you ban innovation. Ie Communism.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Lazy of mind perhaps. But there are many millionaire tradies.

Entrepreneurs will always make money unless you ban innovation. Ie Communism.

Unfortunately the modern "entrepreneur" makes money through e-commerce or some other bullshit, selling products made by people on $2 a day for 1000% mark-up. That's not innovation, that's exploitation. Definitely should ban that. And then there's ******* influencers lmao

Entrepreneur used to mean something positive, now it's just a fancy way of saying "I'm unemployed and don't contribute to society". Change my mind.

 

[HairyO]

Unfortunately the modern "entrepreneur" makes money through e-commerce or some other bullshit, selling products made by people on $2 a day for 1000% mark-up. That's not innovation, that's exploitation. Definitely should ban that. And then there's ******* influencers lmao

Entrepreneur used to mean something positive, now it's just a fancy way of saying "I'm unemployed and don't contribute to society". Change my mind.

Not all of thrm. And I wouldnt call them entrepreneurs.

Pretty people self promoting is more like it. I dont think they risk anything other than their dignity.

The rest is pure exploitation. But Apple has done that for decades. Nike. Cosmetic companies. Etc.

 

[DaRick]

Lazy of mind perhaps. But there are many millionaire tradies.

Entrepreneurs will always make money unless you ban innovation. Ie Communism.

When people think of tradies, do they really think of manual labourers?

I wouldn't have thought so.

Plus most entrepreneurs lose money because their businesses fail. Not to mention that the likes of Bangladesh and Benin are far more entrepreneurial than Australia and yet they don't seem to have benefited much from it.

 

[HairyO]

When people think of tradies, do they really think of manual labourers?

I wouldn't have thought so.

Plus most entrepreneurs lose money because their businesses fail. Not to mention that the likes of Bangladesh and Benin are far more entrepreneurial than Australia and yet they don't seem to have benefited much from it.

Bangladesh is a highly inventive country ??