Rumour GFC 2020 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt2

[cats_09]

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[Wojcinski]

He also struggled last year and had a month of footy this year leading up to the finals

Ablett struggled last year? What? He made the AA40 squad and was one our best vs Richmond in the PF. You believe too much rubbish you read on BF mate

 

[Strange Cat]

Ablett struggled last year? What? He made the AA40 squad and was one our best vs Richmond in the PF. You believe too much rubbish you read on BF mate

I was talking in context of his final performe, he clearly was undone in last year final as he had no penetration in his kicks

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Higgins is in way better form than they were.

SJ had a big first year at GWS, kicked 40+ goals then fell off a cliff. Chappy had a good first year at Essendon then fell off a cliff.


What Geelong now has to do is make sure they win a lot of games in the first 1/2 to 2/3 of the season so they can manage the older players heading into a finals campaign. No point getting there on top of the ladder with 20 wins and then they're all cooked for the finals.

 

[BigCat1]

That pick 30 will blow out a bit... I rather trade that than a future pick..

And Fogerty. Remember him

 

[Lana]

He also struggled last year and had a month of footy this year leading up to the finals

Last year Ablett made the AA squad

 

[BigCat1]

Higgins just said that Nth said if he wanted to play on after next year to look elsewhere now. Pushed out of the midfield and finished 8th in the best and fairest in a shocking side

People think he’s going a lot better than he is.

 

[And_ROOS]

Pick 30 is overs, but considering North are probably paying for most of his salary, you can understand the compromise.

He's a class act, always has been and will fill Gazza's role nicely.

I ask one simple question. We have lost Fogarty and Cockatoo and gained Smith and Higgins. Purely from a quality point of view, forget their ages, is our list better as a result? It's an overwhelming yes. And that is key.

Their ages are absolutely critical though. If they break down because they are getting on, miss 4 or 5 games here or there due to hammies/calves, will you be spruiking their talent when they can't get on the park?

WAYYY too many posters hung up on age and not on talent.
Whats the point of a limited 20 year old when you can get a classy 30 year old.
Talent > age FFS.

How many old teams win flags? The last 10 teams win their first flag with an average age of 25. We will be above 27, which is the average age of teams who have won a flag and competing for more.

No point having old talent injured and on the sidelines.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Granted he will look awesome when we are kicking dirt in other teams faces, it is more his ability to play pressure footy that seems to be all the rage days. From what I have seen of him I am unsure.

I always thought the best sort of pressure was the scoreboard kind. Higgins with his silky skills hitting forward targets lace out. Our forwards will need to put in time on their goalkicking (except for Miers)

 

[catman2006]

Bit of a shocker from the cats too be honest, giving up pick 30 for a 33 yr old who will still be a role player, reality is the club will need to get into the GF to justify these lavish spending of draft capital, otherwise heads will need to roll

 

[Pure_Ownage]

SJ had a big first year at GWS, kicked 40+ goals then fell off a cliff. Chappy had a good first year at Essendon then fell off a cliff.


What Geelong now has to do is make sure they win a lot of games in the first 1/2 to 2/3 of the season so they can manage the older players heading into a finals campaign. No point getting there on top of the ladder with 20 wins and then they're all cooked for the finals.

Totally agree.

 

[calder_daddy]

Wells is joining trade radio again after the break

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

Wells going to be on trade radio with the late trade tools.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Higgins just said that Nth said if he wanted to play on after next year to look elsewhere now. Pushed out of the midfield and finished 8th in the best and fairest in a shocking side

People think he’s going a lot better than he is.

They pushed him out because they are rebuilding and need draft capital not form. The last 3 years his form has been exceptional. The only question is whether his body stays healthy at his age..if we had him in the GF side i honestly reckon we would have won it.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Wells going to be on trade radio with the late trade tools.

Interesting..reckon we have made our final offer to gws but want to see what wells says.

 

[Big Tom Atkins]

All do respect to the veterans who have joined however I, Big Tom Atkins, thoroughly disagrees with the list decisions made this year. One of either Higgins or Smith not both and if one definitely just Higgins however, I hope that Wells and Scotty know what they are doing because I would be leaving the half forward position free for daddy Atkins and the wing position for speedy Jordan Clark. Disapprove most of the decisions made this trade period, just need to ensure Jeremy Cameron and the disappointment will be slightly lifted. Would rather be a good team for 6-10 years rather just 2-3 more. Just my take, Adios lads. All the best from Tommy.

 

[Lana]

So who would back in Fogarty to play more games then Higgins for the rest of their careers?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

So who would back in Fogarty to play more games then Higgins for the rest of their careers?

Thats not really the point though. He wasnt in our best 26 and would have been unlikely to play much in the next 3 years which is our window. Sure he might play 150 games all told but if they come after we are a flag chance it matters little. To effectively trade him for a player who slots into our top 12 talent wise is a win.

 

[Strange Cat]

So who would back in Fogarty to play more games then Higgins for the rest of their careers?

Well considering the age difference that’s an unfair bet, do I think fog will play more games over the next two years? 100% yes

 

[Larry Donohue]

Key for 2021 yes. Hate to see Fogarty starring in 2023-24 and behold while Higgins is in the wheelchair.

paraphobe

 

[Lana]

Thats not really the point though. He wasnt in our best 26 and would have been unlikely to play much in the next 3 years which is our window. Sure he might play 150 games all told but if they come after we are a flag chance it matters little. To effectively trade him for a player who slots into our top 12 talent wise is a win.

I don't think Fogarty will play another 30

 

[And_ROOS]

So who would back in Fogarty to play more games then Higgins for the rest of their careers?

If he had gone to anyone bar Carlton I would have bet on that.

 

[MelbCat]

Best we go into the draft with is picks 20 and 51 a not so good a hand

Hopefully we walk him into the draft just to piss them right off .....

 

[Drunkcat]

Thats not really the point though. He wasnt in our best 26 and would have been unlikely to play much in the next 3 years which is our window. Sure he might play 150 games all told but if they come after we are a flag chance it matters little. To effectively trade him for a player who slots into our top 12 talent wise is a win.

The next 3 years is our window 2 at the most

 

[Jumping Jack]

Last year Ablett made the AA squad

Made the AA squad largely off the back of his early season form (and the fact he's Gary Ablett). As much as I love him - his back half of last year and most of this year looked very much to me like a bloke who was either carrying a niggle - or pretty much cooked.

 

[Catman]

Their ages are absolutely critical though. If they break down because they are getting on, miss 4 or 5 games here or there due to hammies/calves, will you be spruiking their talent when they can't get on the park?

And we just traded out two blokes under 25 who did exactly that.

No point having old talent injured and on the sidelines.

True. But both have been very durable over their careers. There's no guarantees, but that applies to any player.