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It would be interesting if Geelong got to pick 6 and there is a draftee they wanted but didn't think they could get, would they really want to use that pick on Cameron
Traded Jeremy Cameron [traded w/ 2x 2021 R2 (ESS/GWS) to Geelong for #13, #15, #20 and 2021 R4]
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It's the only way, but of course if they continue to make finals we'll hear from the usual Geelong crowd telling us how good it is being in contention.
LOL its so funny reading Cats posters on here post trade.
All of a sudden three 1sts isnt bad. Pre trade "no way do we pay that".
Well its pretty bloody terrible when initially you all smug thinking he would be free.
GWS use two of those to trade into the top 10 and end up with a top 10 pick and another 1st for Cameron.
Ended up paying more than Kelly which is right on the money.
Plus had to turf out Fogerty and burn that 2nd round pick in the process.
Don't change Cats fans.
Well done GWS, you made history, stood your ground and got paid fair market rates.
All of a sudden three 1sts isnt bad. Pre trade "no way do we pay that".
Well its pretty bloody terrible when initially you all smug thinking he would be free.
GWS use two of those to trade into the top 10 and end up with a top 10 pick and another 1st for Cameron.
Ended up paying more than Kelly which is right on the money.
Plus had to turf out Fogerty and burn that 2nd round pick in the process.
Don't change Cats fans.
Well done GWS, you made history, stood your ground and got paid fair market rates.
ibuprofen
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You just ignore the two seconds next year which are tied to non-finals teams that are every chance to be just as good as the last two firsts this year.....but keep living the dream....LOL its so funny reading Cats posters on here post trade.
All of a sudden three 1sts isnt bad. Pre trade "no way do we pay that".
Well its pretty bloody terrible when initially you all smug thinking he would be free.
GWS use two of those to trade into the top 10 and end up with a top 10 pick and another 1st for Cameron.
Ended up paying more than Kelly which is right on the money.
Plus had to turf out Fogerty and burn that 2nd round pick in the process.
Don't change Cats fans.
Well done GWS, you made history, stood your ground and got paid fair market rates.
LOL its so funny reading Cats posters on here post trade.
All of a sudden three 1sts isnt bad. Pre trade "no way do we pay that".
Well its pretty bloody terrible when initially you all smug thinking he would be free.
GWS use two of those to trade into the top 10 and end up with a top 10 pick and another 1st for Cameron.
Ended up paying more than Kelly which is right on the money.
Plus had to turf out Fogerty and burn that 2nd round pick in the process.
Don't change Cats fans.
Well done GWS, you made history, stood your ground and got paid fair market rates.
Hurr durr.
Most fans, including me, would've been annoyed at 3 FRP for Cameron. But we didn't do that.
3 FRP and a 4th for Cameron and 2 future 2nds is good from both sides. No one lost this trade, as much as you wish we did.
If we did 2 trades, 13 and 15 for Cameron then 20 and a 4th for 2 future 2nds no one would say anything about us getting shafted.
It's funny that you're still talking about Kelly a year on. You salty about it or something? We essentially facilitated this trade on the back of taking Kelly at pick 24.
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LOL so funny the Hawks, Tigers and Eagles supporters rushing in here to laugh at Geelong supporters.
All rings a bit hollow though, doesn't it.
You hang on to those 2 future 2nds to help you sleep at night buddy. Picks in the 30's end of the day.
Cameron cost more than Kelly in the end which is right on the money. I recall getting a fair bit of stick from Cat fans suggesting exactly that.
Great outcome all round.
We wouldn't be fanatical footy supporters LH15 if we didn't add spin and hope.
ibuprofen said: Have to say was shattered when GWS put up their summary of three firsts for Cameron but after learning about the two future seconds, it actually becomes a smashing trade. In reality, its borderline whether GWS got more value than the compensation pick. Value is roughly pick 11,13, 15, 20 which probably drift out to at least 15, 17, 24 which is 2922 points in a weak draft. They will possibly drift even further out. It wouldn't shock if the two future 2nds become 20 and 28 which 1589 points in a far stronger draft with far less academy problems. The question becomes is 17 and 24 this year any better than 20 and 28 next year??? I think that actually favours Geelong.vLeaves Cameron for roughly 15. Master trade for Wells which ever method you use to value it.
GazzaGreatness: The other possible benefit 'ibuprofen' is that with our aging list of very talented players including Smith, Higgins, Hawkins, Selwood etc, they will start to look at retiring over coming 2 to 4 years but all awhile our premiership window remains positively wide open, so targeting future pics/drafts can be a real advantage because drafting any young players at present means they face no real prospect of getting a game anytime soon, so these future picks may make better sense for long-term transition.
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Its really 20 this year for probably 1 pick in the mid-late 20s next year and a 30s pick..im quite happy with that. Gives us the flexibility to trade back into this year's draft if we want or hold the picks for next year.
Seems to be a upgrade to the likes of Murdoch, Lang, Smedts and co..... very funny ibuprofen, thanks for the laugh
We went a step further after losing Kelly, you guys went a step back after getting Kelly.
Pure_Ownage
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Next year is going to be a significantly betterdraft as there will be more underage footy and it will have next years pool plus the 19yos that dont get drafted this year. You only need to see the trades clubs did this year to tell that.
None of the kids we would have drafted this year would have cracked our best 22 next year they are players for 2024 when our older guys retire so waiting 12 months doesnt hurt us as much as it would some other clubs.
LOL its so funny reading Cats posters on here post trade.
All of a sudden three 1sts isnt bad. Pre trade "no way do we pay that".
Well its pretty bloody terrible when initially you all smug thinking he would be free.
GWS use two of those to trade into the top 10 and end up with a top 10 pick and another 1st for Cameron.
Ended up paying more than Kelly which is right on the money.
Plus had to turf out Fogerty and burn that 2nd round pick in the process.
Don't change Cats fans.
Well done GWS, you made history, stood your ground and got paid fair market rates.
Not sure where you are coming from Obeanie because what you are saying is incorrect.
SkittleCats: 13 and 15 will become 17 and 19 and 20 will become 25 or worse after academy selections, which in any other year is comfortably inside the second round. We've turned pick 20 into two additional second round picks 2021 from teams that will not play finals next year. So it's at worse a slight downgrade but in value terms is actually better than pick 20. And we've traded 17 and 19 for Cameron...which is exactly what most people on here were comfortable paying: 2 1st rounders for Cameron.
ibuprofen: Have to say was shattered when GWS put up their summary of three firsts for Cameron but after learning about the two future seconds, it actually becomes a smashing trade. In reality, its borderline whether GWS got more value than the compensation pick. Value is roughly pick 11,13, 15, 20 which probably drift out to at least 15, 17, 24 which is 2922 points in a weak draft. They will possibly drift even further out. It wouldn't shock if the two future 2nds become 20 and 28 which 1589 points in a far stronger draft with far less academy problems. The question becomes is 17 and 24 this year any better than 20 and 28 next year??? I think that actually favours Geelong.vLeaves Cameron for roughly 15. Master trade for Wells which ever method you use to value it.
GazzaGreastnes: The other possible benefit 'ibuprofen' is that with our aging list of very talented players including Smith, Higgins, Hawkins, Selwood etc, they will start to look at retiring over coming 2 to 4 years but all awhile our premiership window remains positively wide open, so targeting future pics/drafts can be a real advantage because drafting any young players at present means they face no real prospect of getting a game anytime soon, so these future picks may make better sense for long-term transition.
Excellent post Pure Ownage and I don't think it can be undervalued how well the Geelong FC and Stephen Wells have thought this through, given our position as a club remaining competitive at the top end of the ladder for so long of which is nigh-on impossible...... so with us now drafting 'class footballers' in Cameron, Smith and Higgins into the club, it stills gives us a real shot of challenging for a flag over next 2 to 3 years but also strengthening our long-term future with additional round 2 picks in next years potentially very strong and deep-ended draft.
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Assuming it was EFC and GWS 2nd round selections, they're currently sitting at 25 and 28 in a much less compromised draft.
They've basically downgraded 15 and 20 by around 10 selections each, in a deeper draft, and given up an additional first and a 4th for Cameron.
They've paid a bit, but those two seconds in return makes it much less than it seems.
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Problem will be though, they can’t all be in there at once. Who can play elsewhere apart from Bontempelli?
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Sick burn.
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You are aware that Kelly had 12 touches in your elimination final loss, right?
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Owen by Geelong drafting Cameron, Smith and Higgins, it does two things, firstly it gives Geelong FC a far greater chance of winning a flag over next 3 years (even with 2 of them in 30's, as they are all class acts) but on the flip side by bringing these top players into club it denies younger players the opportunity of getting games of footy for a period of time (and because of this, they then may want to leave), so it makes better sense by Wells offering GWS pic 20 in this years draft and Geelong getting two 2nd rounders in next years deeper draft of which I consider a 'master move' on his behalf.
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I think Geelong have given up a lot, but it's pretty obvious they're in win-now mode, so if there's a Premiership off the back of it then they'd probably call it a good outcome, having 2 x 2nds in a deep draft means not having completely sold the farm either.
Pretty good trading really.
I've actually never seen a club have Pick 10 in their hand, actually decline it, and then somehow trade an even worse hand in.
Geelong gave up pick 13 (~16) and 15 (~19) for Cameron and GWS's future 2nd Round Pick.
On Draft night could you trade 16 and 19 for 11 and a future 2nd? I severely doubt it.
The last part of the Cameron trade is a complete non-event.
Pick 20 (~25) for Essendon's Future 2nd could not been seen as anything more than a nil all draw at best. Most would have Geel ahead. Given you'd much rather pick 25 next year than pick 25 this year.
Geelong gave up pick 13 (~16) and 15 (~19) for Cameron and GWS's future 2nd Round Pick.
On Draft night could you trade 16 and 19 for 11 and a future 2nd? I severely doubt it.
The last part of the Cameron trade is a complete non-event.
Pick 20 (~25) for Essendon's Future 2nd could not been seen as anything more than a nil all draw at best. Most would have Geel ahead. Given you'd much rather pick 25 next year than pick 25 this year.
That literally makes no sense. “Draft picks in a future draft are less valuable than draft picks in this draft”. Would love to be trading with you as a list manager coming up to a super draft the following year. Clubs are 100% aware the talent years out
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