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hugecannon said:
It’s also the age group where we’ve lost a lot of players like Lever, Cameron, McGovern and gave away Lyons etc
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Which is why we must get plenty of games into our younger players asap to get them to the 50+ game mark which usually brings cobsiency... & then look to top up with fre3 agents & trades to fill list gaps.
 
Kane McGoodwin said:
Which is why we must get plenty of games into our younger players asap to get them to the 50+ game mark which usually brings cobsiency... & then look to top up with fre3 agents & trades to fill list gaps.
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Exactly, it's not much of a problem, the current thinking is to recruit 25-26 year olds when the team is ready for a tilt.

You just need to build up the game time, will take 4 years and most current young players will be on 100 games.

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The difficult bit is that our senior players aren't good enough as a collective to carry us through a rebuild.

We can't surround Sloane, Walker, Talia, Smith, Lynch, Brown and co with a group of 18-21 year olds who have some talent and be semi competitive while the kids develop.

We get steamrolled.

So we have to surround our older core with a bunch of steady, mid-range, older role players then squeeze in a couple of kids if we can. That way we are semi competitive.

However... we don't develop enough talent doing things like that. Our approach will only lengthen our period in the doldrums.

We've placed ourselves between a rock and a hard place.
 

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hey shorty said:
Why aren't they good enough ?? Probably Walker aside.
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Talia. Good leader. Not the player he once was though and body may catch up with him quickly.
Sloane. Form has been declining for 3 years.
Smith. Inconsistent.
Lynch. Ditto. Not the player he was 3 years ago.
Brown. Appears to be going strong but he's a role player. And to be honest is taking a spot from players I would rather be developed as a back pocket.

Seedsman. Not best 22 currently.
Mackay. Shouldnt be.
 
1990crow said:
Talia. Good leader. Not the player he once was though and body may catch up with him quickly.
Sloane. Form has been declining for 3 years.
Smith. Inconsistent.
Lynch. Ditto. Not the player he was 3 years ago.
Brown. Appears to be going strong but he's a role player. And to be honest is taking a spot from players I would rather be developed as a back pocket.

Seedsman. Not best 22 currently.
Mackay. Shouldnt be.
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Smith forms declined ?? Ok

Lynch is an extremely polarising figure amongst our supporters. He's not much different to what he was IMO. Brown ditto.

Talia is of slight concern body wise, but he provides enough.

Sloane is the interesting one, but he's still got a role to play IMO.

I'd also suggest guys like Mrouch and Laird are senior players who have more than enough talent.

We debuted 9 players last season, there's likely to be 6 or 7 more this year. We actually improved as the year went on which most young sides don't do

We've got a ways to go, but the "Doom and gloom" tones are a ways off.
 
hey shorty said:
Smith forms declined ?? Ok

Lynch is an extremely polarising figure amongst our supporters. He's not much different to what he was IMO. Brown ditto.

Talia is of slight concern body wise, but he provides enough.

Sloane is the interesting one, but he's still got a role to play IMO.

I'd also suggest guys like Mrouch and Laird are senior players who have more than enough talent.

We debuted 9 players last season, there's likely to be 6 or 7 more this year. We actually improved as the year went on which most young sides don't do

We've got a ways to go, but the "Doom and gloom" tones are a ways off.
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He said smith was inconsistent, which is true
 
hey shorty said:
Why aren't they good enough ?? Probably Walker aside.
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It's because none of them are top line midfielders or top key position players, aside from maybe Talia.

Sides that can develop players effectively have a couple of really good experienced midfielders to take the first rotation. We have Matt Crouch, and possibly although far from definitely Sloane

We have no quality experienced forwards. So we have to fill those spots with role players like Lynch, or beyond cooked guys like Walker

The other guys, Laird Smith and Brown, all play relatively easy roles which generally are perfect for introducing youngsters. Problem is, all our experience is in that role too. So we're stuck needing to keep them in AND play guys in their role, at the same time. This year we will have a logjam for this very reason, between Laird, Smith, Brown, Milera, Sholl, McPherson, Hamill and even Worrell

What we really need is Talia, peak Sloane, Dangerfield, a guy like Tom Hawkins or Josh Kennedy (WCE), and a couple of really reliable role players in spots hard for kids to play, like half forward and on the wing
 
hey shorty said:
Smith forms declined ?? Ok

Lynch is an extremely polarising figure amongst our supporters. He's not much different to what he was IMO. Brown ditto.

Talia is of slight concern body wise, but he provides enough.

Sloane is the interesting one, but he's still got a role to play IMO.

I'd also suggest guys like Mrouch and Laird are senior players who have more than enough talent.

We debuted 9 players last season, there's likely to be 6 or 7 more this year. We actually improved as the year went on which most young sides don't do

We've got a ways to go, but the "Doom and gloom" tones are a ways off.
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Yes, we have plenty of experienced players in the side... Compared to the likes of Carlton through their rebuild years.

If anything our issue has been playing too many of them at the expense of getting games into younger players... particularly when some have been out of form.

We were fine last season once we dropped some experienced non performers for younger players.

Our main loss is Brouch, but with Laird, Mrouch & Sloane we have no shortage of midfield experience to bring through the younger players.

Atkins wasn't best 22 & we still have Seedsman & Mackay for experience. I would like an inform Seed to be the experienced winger.

We needed to move on Hartigan as the same age as Talia to develop McAsey & Butts. With Talia, Doedee, Smith & Brown we have plenty of experience in defence.

The key is to get our balance right to speed up our development.
 
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Scorpus said:
It's because none of them are top line midfielders or top key position players, aside from maybe Talia.

Sides that can develop players effectively have a couple of really good experienced midfielders to take the first rotation. We have Matt Crouch, and possibly although far from definitely Sloane

We have no quality experienced forwards. So we have to fill those spots with role players like Lynch, or beyond cooked guys like Walker

The other guys, Laird Smith and Brown, all play relatively easy roles which generally are perfect for introducing youngsters. Problem is, all our experience is in that role too. So we're stuck needing to keep them in AND play guys in their role, at the same time. This year we will have a logjam for this very reason, between Laird, Smith, Brown, Milera, Sholl, McPherson, Hamill and even Worrell
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Surely Laird showed enough in the midfield to think that will be his role going forward at least until he shows that he hasn't got what it takes for the midfield over time
 
Mutineer said:
Surely Laird showed enough in the midfield to think that will be his role going forward at least until he shows that he hasn't got what it takes for the midfield over time
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Possibly, but like Sloane he's another "maybe" in that role. He's only played half a season there.

Main issue is we don't have a single experienced player forward of center that's worth playing or is definitively best 22
 
Scorpus said:
Possibly, but like Sloane he's another "maybe" in that role. He's only played half a season there.

Main issue is we don't have a single experienced player forward of center that's worth playing or is definitively best 22
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Lynch is, although I understand you're not a fan.

But certainly our forwardline is very inexperienced which is why I was a fan of getting a guy like Shane Edwards over for a year or 2. Plays half forward and bursts in the guys and comes from the best system going around.
 
Mutineer said:
I'm basing my opinion on what I've actually seen plenty of in the SANFL and I doubt there's anyone that watches SANFL would agree with your assessment "Kristof"....consistency during games is his biggest weakness along with his body letting itself down with stress injury issues that have cost him some serious time away from playing since joining our list.
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That's fine for you to have that opinion.

We've all watched the SANFL, and your opinion holds no more validity than mine.

Considering I can also point to the lack of genuine impact he's had in games, the few times he's ever been considered to play in the seniors, and the fact that he's only averaging 6 touches a game when he HAS played means that I have some stats to back up my opinion too.

He's flashy and doesn't do much. We've both said that. You obviously rate that higher than me.
 

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Eagleboy2011 said:
Whose fault is that. We had a massive opportunity last year and to some extent introduced a few but we could not resist list cloggers and we sign up DM and we will play him. We actually done a backflip from Phil Walsh's edict to get as many games into young players to Pyke's plan to play all the oldies and resigning them to long term contracts.
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We gave a lot of kids a lot of games last year.
 
Scorpus said:
Possibly, but like Sloane he's another "maybe" in that role. He's only played half a season there.

Main issue is we don't have a single experienced player forward of center that's worth playing or is definitively best 22
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Imo we can only play 1 of Tex & Lynch for team balance... & for me Lynch is a better mix with Himmelberg & Fogarty.

Also, I would play Sloane up forward, with rotations in the midfield.

You are correct this is the part of the ground which we lack quality experience.
 
Kane McGoodwin said:
Not early in the season as we should have.
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Didn't McAsey play week one? Plus Jones and McHenry?

It would have been nice to maybe get one or two more games into a few folk, but we eased kids in throughout the entire year.
 

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Mego Red said:
Didn't McAsey play week one? Plus Jones and McHenry?

It would have been nice to maybe get one or two more games into a few folk, but we eased kids in throughout the entire year.
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It's not about a particular player, but the balance of the team.

We played a more experienced team earlier in the year including plenty of non performers... some of whom we dropped for younger players & out form improved.
 
1990crow said:
Talia. Good leader. Not the player he once was though and body may catch up with him quickly.
Sloane. Form has been declining for 3 years.
Smith. Inconsistent.
Lynch. Ditto. Not the player he was 3 years ago.
Brown. Appears to be going strong but he's a role player. And to be honest is taking a spot from players I would rather be developed as a back pocket.

Seedsman. Not best 22 currently.
Mackay. Shouldnt be.
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Matt Crouch and Laird?
 
Golumless said:
Matt Crouch and Laird?
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I wouldnt call them the older experienced type. Just good to very good players. Matt is a good leader.
 
hey shorty said:
Not in my mind no.
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Maybe read what I said and try to understand it

I didn't say they weren't good or ok players

Simply that they aren't capable of carrying a group of kids through a rebuild and keep us competitive.

And there's no room for other interpretations. We finished bottom. The results are there to see.
 

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