2020 Trade & List Management discussion

[Jeffcrowe]

It's hard not to when we make decisions that suggest we're not anchored there. Just because our list is young doesn't mean we won't continue to play out of form or poorly performing injured senior players. Just because we're young doesn't mean we'll rebuild properly. For that to happen we need a change in selection philosophy, I've provided clear examples that contradict that having occurred. We will see, but we've not turned the corner yet.

Like life, you are not what you are for getting the 99 easy decision right, it's continually ******* up the slightly more difficult call that is the true you.

The selection philosophy changed when Pyke left and we decided to rebuild

 

[Jeffcrowe]

We were talking about actual anti-rebuild decisions made this year. No selection decisions have been made next year yet. But given that we will be young, don't be surprised if Mackay plays round 1 and one of Hamill, Sholl or MacPherson misses. Or Milera gets pushed forward with Stengle missing. That's how we rebuild, flat knacker for the 4 points every week.

Milera should be mid / forward if we want to get anywhere
Do you propose we play an U23 team and get flogged every week because that won’t accelerate the rebuild

go and look at pure numbers from this season , look at debutants abs games played etc

next year will be even more inexperienced hence I think we win 4 games , 5 max but finish bottom and keep hitting draft

you’re talking Re an old selection policy that doesn’t exist anymore , even Bryce Gibbs on big money barely played last year despite external media pressure

 

[hey shorty]

Milera should be mid / forward if we want to get anywhere
Do you propose we play an U23 team and get flogged every week because that won’t accelerate the rebuild

go and look at pure numbers from this season , look at debutants abs games played etc

next year will be even more inexperienced hence I think we win 4 games , 5 max but finish bottom and keep hitting draft

you’re talking Re an old selection policy that doesn’t exist anymore , even Bryce Gibbs on big money barely played last year despite external media pressure

He's still grinding that same axe

 

[crows dude]

1- Jones
2 - Murphy
3 - Crouch
4 - Kelly
5 - Sloane
6- Seedsman
7 - Talia
8 - Walker
9 - Mackay
10 - Brown
11 - Hamill
12 - Stengle
13- Frampton
14 - McAdam
15 - Worrell
16- McHenry
17 - Schoenberg
18 - Lynch
19 - Keays (Rookie)
20 - Laird
21 - Milera
22 - Fogarty
23 - Smith
24 - Himmelberg
25 - McAsey
26 - McPherson
27 - O'Connor
28 - Sholl
29 - Doedee
30 - Davis
31 - Butts ( Rookie)
32 - OBrien
33 - Gollant
34 - Strachan (rookie)
35 - Hateley
36 - Pick 1
37 - Pick 9
38 - Pick 22
39 - Borlase
40 - Edwards
41 - Newchurch
42 - Rookie
43 - Rookie
44 Rookie

 

[Golumless]

1- Jones
2 - Murphy
3 - Crouch
4 - Kelly
5 - Sloane
6- Seedsman
7 - Talia
8 - Walker
9 - Mackay
10 - Brown
11 - Hamill
12 - Stengle
13- Frampton
14 - McAdam
15 - Worrell
16- McHenry
17 - Schoenberg
18 - Lynch
19 - Keays (Rookie)
20 - Laird
21 - Milera
22 - Fogarty
23 - Smith
24 - Himmelberg
25 - McAsey
26 - McPherson
27 - O'Connor
28 - Sholl
29 - Doedee
30 - Davis
31 - Butts ( Rookie)
32 - OBrien
33 - Gollant
34 - Strachan (rookie)
35 - Hateley
36 - Pick 1
37 - Pick 9
38 - Pick 22
39 - Borlase
40 - Edwards
41 - Newchurch
42 - Rookie
43 - Rookie
44 Rookie

I'd give up a rookie pick to use pick 23 in this circumstance.

 

[Macca48]

This is my best 22 for next year - assuming we pick Thilthorpe or McDonald

B: Brown Talia Doedee
HB: McPherson McAsey Smith
C: Milera Hately Sholl
HF: Sloane Himmelberg Lynch
F: Stengle McDonald? McAdam
R: O’Brien Crouch Laird
I: Keays Hamill Jones Draft pick

I think its a good mix with Brown, Talia, Smith, Sloane, Lynch, Crouch, Laird as experienced heads with Milera also over 50 games.
Exposes the youth (not to a slaughter) with McHenry, Schoenberg, Fogarty options if they prove themselves.

 

[Vader]

1- Jones
2 - Murphy
3 - Crouch
4 - Kelly
5 - Sloane
6- Seedsman
7 - Talia
8 - Walker
9 - Mackay
10 - Brown
11 - Hamill
12 - Stengle
13- Frampton
14 - McAdam
15 - Worrell
16- McHenry
17 - Schoenberg
18 - Lynch
19 - Keays (Rookie)
20 - Laird
21 - Milera
22 - Fogarty
23 - Smith
24 - Himmelberg
25 - McAsey
26 - McPherson
27 - O'Connor
28 - Sholl
29 - Doedee
30 - Davis
31 - Butts ( Rookie)
32 - OBrien
33 - Gollant
34 - Strachan (rookie)
35 - Hateley
36 - Pick 1
37 - Pick 9
38 - Pick 22
39 - Borlase
40 - Edwards
41 - Newchurch
42 - Rookie
43 - Rookie
44 Rookie

A - I wouldn't bank on us taking all 3 of Borlase/Edwards/Newchurch.
B - We only have one position available on our rookie list, unless Newchurch or Borlase fall through the ND, allowing us to sign them as Cat B rookies.

 

[Dudersaurus]

This is my best 22 for next year - assuming we pick Thilthorpe or McDonald

B: Brown Talia Doedee
HB: McPherson McAsey Smith
C: Milera Hately Sholl
HF: Sloane Himmelberg Lynch
F: Stengle McDonald? McAdam
R: O’Brien Crouch Laird
I: Keays Hamill Jones Draft pick

I think its a good mix with Brown, Talia, Smith, Sloane, Lynch, Crouch, Laird as experienced heads with Milera also over 50 games.
Exposes the youth (not to a slaughter) with McHenry, Schoenberg, Fogarty options if they prove themselves.

Being a bit harsh on Schoenberg to leave him out in favour of "draft pick".

 

[Eagleboy2011]

This is my best 22 for next year - assuming we pick Thilthorpe or McDonald

B: Brown Talia Doedee
HB: McPherson McAsey Smith
C: Milera Hately Sholl
HF: Sloane Himmelberg Lynch
F: Stengle McDonald? McAdam
R: O’Brien Crouch Laird
I: Keays Hamill Jones Draft pick

I think its a good mix with Brown, Talia, Smith, Sloane, Lynch, Crouch, Laird as experienced heads with Milera also over 50 games.
Exposes the youth (not to a slaughter) with McHenry, Schoenberg, Fogarty options if they prove themselves.

Who is going to break the news to Walker and DMac?

 

[walterhobbs]

Who is going to break the news to Walker and DMac?

No one considering they’d be locks for rd 1 haha

 

[DJ75]

Who is going to break the news to Walker and DMac?

You know very well that we don't have those conversations...

 

[1970crow]

We confuse tenure and culture

We think that retaining and rewarding a stalwart like Mackay is good for our culture

In actual fact though it eats away at it

It doesn't scream high performance.

The selection philosophy changed when Pyke left and we decided to rebuild

only if you ignore the obvious selection decisions contrary to that. Or if you choose to rationalise them using weak logic.

 

[1970crow]

Milera should be mid / forward if we want to get anywhere
Do you propose we play an U23 team and get flogged every week because that won’t accelerate the rebuild

go and look at pure numbers from this season , look at debutants abs games played etc

next year will be even more inexperienced hence I think we win 4 games , 5 max but finish bottom and keep hitting draft

you’re talking Re an old selection policy that doesn’t exist anymore , even Bryce Gibbs on big money barely played last year despite external media pressure

Milera is barely AFL quality as a forward. Kicked 3 in a quarter once but has been droppable the rest of the time. He’s 5 times the player behind the ball as he is ahead of it.

 

[1970crow]

The selection philosophy changed when Pyke left and we decided to rebuild

And only Douglas was forcibly retired, Otto completely cooked and JJ moved on for being lippy. Every other senior player had an extension in front of them that they chose not to sign. That’s not a deliberate rebuild.

 

[1970crow]

He's still grinding that same axe

nothing has changed yet. Jeff is spruiking 2021 selection decisions as proof we’ve turned the corner at selection. Even you were disappointed with selection at times this year. The same axe is being ground because it’s still 2020 and the change Jeff is referring to is in the future.

 

[Scorpus]

List sizes have been officially revealed by the AFL

"The minimum list size for each club will be 37, which can be made up by as little as 36 senior listed players and one rookie.

To reach 44, clubs can carry 36-38 senior listed players, four-to-six Category A rookies and two Category B rookies."

So there is no hard limit on 4 rookies like we previously thought

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This means our current list position has 6 senior list spots (after we get Hately) for a total of 38 senior players, plus 3 rookie spots for a total of 6 rookies, and 44 players in total

 

[Vader]

List sizes have been officially revealed by the AFL

"The minimum list size for each club will be 37, which can be made up by as little as 36 senior listed players and one rookie.

To reach 44, clubs can carry 36-38 senior listed players, four-to-six Category A rookies and two Category B rookies."

So there is no hard limit on 4 rookies like we previously thought

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This means our current list position has 6 senior list spots (after we get Hately) for a total of 38 senior players, plus 3 rookie spots for a total of 6 rookies, and 44 players in total

Most of that was known. The big change, relative to The Age's information, is the ability to have up to 6x Cat A rookies.

Reading the article, it's still not clear how the rookie numbers work.

My take is that the upper limits will be 36/6, 37/5, or 38/4... plus 0-2 Cat B rookies. However, given the usual lack of clarity in any AFL media release - I could be completely wrong.

Interestingly, the article says that the reduced lists will only be for 2021, with 2022 returning to normal.

 

[Dangarman]

Saints de-listed Ed Phillips. I don't recall ever seeing him play, he is 22 and described as an 'endurance machine'.

Would he fit our profile?

 

[crows dude]

I'd give up a rookie pick to use pick 23 in this circumstance.

38 max on senior list

 

[crows dude]

A - I wouldn't bank on us taking all 3 of Borlase/Edwards/Newchurch.
B - We only have one position available on our rookie list, unless Newchurch or Borlase fall through the ND, allowing us to sign them as Cat B rookies.

Yes now that list sizes are announced things have changed. 4 rookies and 2 cat b rookies to get to 44

 

[Vader]

Yes now that list sizes are announced things have changed. 4 rookies and 2 cat b rookies to get to 44

36/6, 37/5, or 38/4 + 2x Cat B = 44

We now have 1-3 Cat A vacancies, depending on how many ND selections we make. Assuming we want a full list, our options (ND/RD) are 4/3, 5/2, and 6/1.

 

[hey shorty]

nothing has changed yet. Jeff is spruiking 2021 selection decisions as proof we’ve turned the corner at selection. Even you were disappointed with selection at times this year. The same axe is being ground because it’s still 2020 and the change Jeff is referring to is in the future.

There was a significant shift this year.

 

[Thetrader15]

Matt Kennedy delisted by Calrton to be re-rokkied.

Should we rookie him just to up Carlton? I thought he has a game.

 

[crows dude]

36/6, 37/5, or 38/4 + 2x Cat B = 44

We now have 1-3 Cat A vacancies, depending on how many ND selections we make. Assuming we want a full list, our options (ND/RD) are 4/3, 5/2, and 6/1.

Hocking just told the guys on fiveaa that it’s still not set in concrete

 

[slice]

Matt Kennedy delisted by Calrton to be re-rokkied.

Should we rookie him just to up Carlton? I thought he has a game.

No, he’s genuinely awful.