2020 Trade & List Management discussion

[1970crow]

I’m waiting to see what he’s like after preseason before I pigeon hole him. Like I said if he’s not internally motivated to improve and float through the year, he will be playing SANFL footy.

He won't be playing SANFL footy unless he's getting a tune up after returning from a decent injury interruption. This is Tex we're talking about, leadership of a young forward line will guarantee that you won't see the word 'omitted' next to his name.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

This is big footy urban legend, it did not happen. We dropped Seed and Mrouch for round 4. Mrouch returned in round 5. Next senior player to be dropped is Kelly for round 8. But he returns for round 9 which also saw the return of Gibbs, Rat and Knight who were dropped for round 10. Kelly dropped for round 11, returning round 12. Seedsman dropped for round 13 and Murphy for round 17.

So after the covid closedown, in the timeframe that you refer to, we dropped a total of 2 senior players with 1 returning the very next week. In our final 16 games, and excluding the immediate dropping of the 3 ins for the Kangaroos debacle, senior players were dropped a total of 6 times. Kelly twice and immediately returning, Mrouch once and immediately returning, Seed twice and Murphy.

How you and many others saw our selection philosophy change isn't backed up by historical record.

Suggest you compare the beginning period of the season v mid period of the season for games brackets of players.

We had more players under 10 or 20 games. E.g. McPherson, Hamill, Sholl, Himmelberg, etc.

We were playing an inexperienced side.

Meanwhile the likes of Seedsman & Atkins were dropped long term.

 

['51 Bewick]

Hi folks,
Please excuse the intrusion but didn't know where to post this.
I have been offered Tyson Stengle

18

Tyson Stengle

Age

27

Ht

175cm

Wt

71kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.3

2star

K

5.8

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

10.3

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.3

1star

T

2.0

3star

G

0.5

4star

D

8.8

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.6

4star

G

1.6

5star

as part of a complicated trade in a keeper league.
Do you see him as part of your best 22 and getting games in 2021?
Thank you in advance.

 

[Crow till I die]

Hi folks,
Please excuse the intrusion but didn't know where to post this.
I have been offered Tyson Stengle

18

Tyson Stengle

Age

27

Ht

175cm

Wt

71kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.3

2star

K

5.8

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

10.3

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.3

1star

T

2.0

3star

G

0.5

4star

D

8.8

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.6

4star

G

1.6

5star

as part of a complicated trade in a keeper league.
Do you see him as part of your best 22 and getting games in 2021?
Thank you in advance.

Yes and yes once he is back from suspension

 

[1970crow]

Suggest you compare the beginning period of the season v mid period of the season for games brackets of players.

We had more players under 10 or 20 games. E.g. McPherson, Hamill, Sholl, Himmelberg, etc.

We were playing an inexperienced side.

Meanwhile the likes of Seedsman & Atkins were dropped long term.

That's not what you said. You said we dropped some senior players in favour of less experienced players a few weeks in. We didn't. We effectively dropped one with the 2nd returning immediately. There is a difference between what you posted and playing kids out of necessity due to injury as opposed to form. The evidence for a change of philosophy barely hangs by a thread. Especially when you take into account the selection decisions that directly contradict that view.

 

[Betts are off]

Hi folks,
Please excuse the intrusion but didn't know where to post this.
I have been offered Tyson Stengle

18

Tyson Stengle

Age

27

Ht

175cm

Wt

71kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.3

2star

K

5.8

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

10.3

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.3

1star

T

2.0

3star

G

0.5

4star

D

8.8

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.6

4star

G

1.6

5star

as part of a complicated trade in a keeper league.
Do you see him as part of your best 22 and getting games in 2021?
Thank you in advance.

He's definitely on his last chance, but the talent is certainly worth the risk. For what its worth I think he will pull his head in after his last offense!

 

[1970crow]

Hi folks,
Please excuse the intrusion but didn't know where to post this.
I have been offered Tyson Stengle

18

Tyson Stengle

Age

27

Ht

175cm

Wt

71kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.3

2star

K

5.8

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

10.3

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.3

1star

T

2.0

3star

G

0.5

4star

D

8.8

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.6

4star

G

1.6

5star

as part of a complicated trade in a keeper league.
Do you see him as part of your best 22 and getting games in 2021?
Thank you in advance.

He should, but I wouldn't trust that very different selection standards will be applied to him. On the flip side, he might push himself to the edge knowing he's close to being done at our club. Hope that helps.

 

[hey shorty]

Largely a forced shift. We still went the usual direction with numerous selection choices. It's an important distinction.

It wasn't really forced, we made a decision to flick some senior players and not offer contracts to some others.

 

[Geoffa32]

We are not taking Luke Edwards as FS?

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[Kane McGoodwin]

That's not what you said. You said we dropped some senior players in favour of less experienced players a few weeks in. We didn't. We effectively dropped one with the 2nd returning immediately. There is a difference between what you posted and playing kids out of necessity due to injury as opposed to form. The evidence for a change of philosophy barely hangs by a thread. Especially when you take into account the selection decisions that directly contradict that view.

We did replace the likes of Seedsman & Atkins will Hamill

17

Will Hamill

Age

25

Ht

187cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.4

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

3star

MG

135.2

2star

D

8.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.4

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

2star

MG

135.2

2star

D

8.8

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

4star

MG

135.2

3star

, McPherson & Sholl.

You are just on some sort if crusade at the moment... so feel free to continue, but the reality is this year we played more younger players.

 

[hey shorty]

No it's not, it was thrust upon us when it turned out we were completely sh*t in 2020. We didn't plan for this, we descended into it.

Being wrong is a difficult concept for you to grasp isn't it.

 

[hey shorty]

We are not taking Luke Edwards as FS?

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Doesn't sound like we are keen.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

We are not taking Luke Edwards as FS?

Today is D Day

 

[hey shorty]

Today is D Day

I can see the headline in tomorrow's media.

"Crows choose to ignore son of a champion"

 

[Gets!]

I don't see any downside in us nominating him as a father son...

We can still take him in the rookie draft if no one bids right? At least by nominating we have a right of reply if a bid does come in + the discount.

 

[hey shorty]

I don't see any downside in us nominating him as a father son...

We can still take him in the rookie draft if no one bids right? At least by nominating we have a right of reply if a bid does come in + the discount.

The downside of it is that if we don't rate him we have to take him anyway.

There's no downside for him as such.

 

[Gets!]

The downside of it is that if we don't rate him we have to take him anyway.

There's no downside for him as such.

Do we have to take him in the ND if we nominate him?

 

[hey shorty]

Do we have to take him in the ND if we nominate him?

We have to take him as a rookie.

 

[Thetrader15]

I can see the headline in tomorrow's media.

"Crows choose to ignore son of a champion"

"Crows rejected by former champion's son" is more like it.

 

[Thetrader15]

We have to take him as a rookie.

No, I don't think we have to take him at all, but it would be strange to nominate him and not take him as a rookie for nothing.

 

[hugecannon]

We have to take him as a rookie.

And surely he’s at least worth a rookie spot on what he’s shown over the last 2 years at underage level.

 

[Thetrader15]

The downside of it is that if we don't rate him we have to take him anyway.

There's no downside for him as such.

Surely he is worth taking if it comes down to pick 66 or so.

 

[hey shorty]

No, I don't think we have to take him at all, but it would be strange to nominate him and not take him as a rookie for nothing.

I thought once we had committed to him and he slid through the ND we were compelled to take him in the RD

 

[hey shorty]

And surely he’s at least worth a rookie spot on what he’s shown over the last 2 years at underage level.

He's probably worth it sure, but there might be better players available.

 

[Thetrader15]

I thought once we had committed to him and he slid through the ND we were compelled to take him in the RD

I think we CAN just add him, but don't believe we MUST add him.

If someone else knows better, I stand corrected.

Why would you nominate him though if you didn't even want to take him as a rookie?