First club to 17 premierships?

[CharlieMortdecai]

yes apologies re simpleton, different poster, completely my bad

Yes I think modern day teams are far better than yesteryear's teams...it's just natural evolution...now if I used the words "best eva", ok there may have been a bit of mayo on that but the point is ppl do all sorts comparisons/ratings/opinions
saying that yesteryear's teams are "better" than modern day teams..and premiers in the 20s/30s/40s to...whatever are better than today's...in particular Richmond... a team of just plain ordinary roleplayers....what can i say but....ehhhhhh.

I guess the fact that today's woodenspooners, let alone the premiers, would comfortably thrash the most dominant teams of the 1920s is a truism hardly worthy of discussion.
You really can only compare teams within their own eras. In the 20s those teams had no indigenous players, interstate players were rare as hen's teeth, training was maybe one day a week, strength and conditioning and nutrition were barely considered and definitely not in the scientific terms of today. I could go on but you get the drift.

 

[CaptchaProofBot]

I guess the fact that today's woodenspooners, let alone the premiers, would comfortably thrash the most dominant teams of the 1920s is a truism hardly worthy of discussion.
You really can only compare teams within their own eras. In the 20s those teams had no indigenous players, interstate players were rare as hen's teeth, training was maybe one day a week, strength and conditioning and nutrition were barely considered and definitely not in the scientific terms of today. I could go on but you get the drift.

I should have answered your specific question with a simple:

YES.

anymore than that would have compelled the reply "hardly worthy of discussion". Noted, I learnt something today.

(even tho oddly you went on to discuss some more, yeah i read it, perfectly fine with it, got the drift)

 

[RUNVS]

I guess the fact that today's woodenspooners, let alone the premiers, would comfortably thrash the most dominant teams of the 1920s is a truism hardly worthy of discussion.
You really can only compare teams within their own eras. In the 20s those teams had no indigenous players, interstate players were rare as hen's teeth, training was maybe one day a week, strength and conditioning and nutrition were barely considered and definitely not in the scientific terms of today. I could go on but you get the drift.

I believe that todays wooden spooners would comfortably smash the 1988 Hawthorn premiership side.

 

[queensberryrules]

What a simpleton.

Do you honestly think you're offering anything insightful by telling us all that the full-time professional teams of today would beat the teams of 100 years ago that turned up on a Saturday afternoon after maybe a training run or two during the week?

I reckon Mopsy Fraser and Captain Bloods teams, given some lateral freedom, may be an outside chance to get over the current Tigers!

 

[Deadly Assassin]

I know the poll is only a small sample size.

However, I'm not sure why Richmond are favoured over Collingwood, given that Richmond are 4 flags behind 17, compared to Collingwood, who are only 2 flags behind 17.

 

[Captain_Bender]

I know the poll is only a small sample size.

However, I'm not sure why Richmond are favoured over Collingwood, given that Richmond are 4 flags behind 17, compared to Collingwood, who are only 2 flags behind 17.

It's simple, Collingwood just don't win flags

 

[Deadly Assassin]

It's simple, Collingwood just don't win flags

We've won 15 of them. More than Richmond last time I checked.

Your club's recent little run has been amazing but your club is still too far behind the big boys to be a serious contender in this discussion.

 

[Captain_Bender]

We've won 15 of them. More than Richmond last time I checked.

Your club's recent little run has been amazing but your club is still too far behind the big boys to be a serious contender in this discussion.

How many in the last 80 years?

 

[ep2018]

Totally agree with you even though I'm going against some fellow Tiger posters.
In my opinion anything from 1990 which was the official date of the AFL should be counted. Prior to that it wasn't even full professional let alone a national comp.
I understand the VFL was the foundation league but fu** me dead how can you compare a team that won a flag with 15 to 17 other teams in a full professional & national league with compromised drafts + salary cap to a 6 to 12 team comp with open wallets & some years of round robins during the wars & great depression.
Its actually laughable.

I've never considered anything before AFL era to count in regards to flags and sometimes I think perhaps because my own team only played a couple seasons before that time makes me a bit biased. But it blew my mind a month ago Pies supporters gloating that Richmond not winning the flag in 2018 saved their four flags in a row from being matched, how can you count those flags won in a literal suburban comp when we have an Australian-wide comp now? How can people count flags won in a then state comp with a straight face?

 

[Lsta062]

Personally I count from 1987 when Brisbane and West Coast joined, that was the start of the AFL.

And Hawthorn are miles in front.

Carlton 1
Essendon 2
Collingwood 2
Richmond 3
Geelong 3
Brisbane 3
West Coast 4
Hawthorn 7

I was about to be offended but I forgot that people can’t use the ‘AFL era’ thing against Richmond anymore. Carry on

 

[CarnTheScray]

This is such a weird hypothetical, for all we know any team could be in a drought still in 20 years time.

I can tell you now if you asked someone this in 2000 they would have thought Carlton or Essendon would be at 20 by now.

 

[Deadly Assassin]

How many in the last 80 years?

Why stop at 80 years?

You Tigers supporters sound exactly like Hawthorn supporters who believe footy started in 1960.

 

[Roby]

I believe that todays wooden spooners would comfortably smash the 1988 Hawthorn premiership side.

You believe wrong.

Also, shouldn't we start recounting premierships from 2012 when the Giants joined?

 

[Juddernaut08]

This thread is about who will be first to 17.

I.e. out of Carlton, Essendon or Collingwood...or outside chance of Cats and Tigers...who will break clear at the top for no.1.

Ffs the clown eagles and port supporters really ought to be threadbanned. This is not the place to whine and bear your inferiority complex.

Whether you like it or not, the AFL doesnt recognise your bush league achievements. Discuss the actual topic.

 

[Deadly Assassin]

This thread is about who will be first to 17.

I.e. out of Carlton, Essendon or Collingwood...or outside chance of Cats and Tigers...who will break clear at the top for no.1.

Ffs the clown eagles and port supporters really ought to be threadbanned. This is not the place to whine and bear your inferiority complex.

Whether you like it or not, the AFL doesnt recognise your bush league achievements. Discuss the actual topic.

Cats

They've only won 9 flags, and are way too far behind the pack to be in this discussion.

 

[Captain_Bender]

Why stop at 80 years?

You Tigers supporters sound exactly like Hawthorn supporters who believe footy started in 1960.

Win more than 2 flags in your living memory and then we can talk about being a big club kid, Collingwood have been s**t since 1940

 

[eastfreo75]

Port already passed 17 flags years ago.

 

[Roby]

Port already passed 17 flags years ago.

So did Juventus.

 

[eastfreo75]

So did Juventus.

You are right, they are not AFL flags.

 

[Juddernaut08]

You are right, they are not AFL flags.

They have the same amount as freo tho

 

[CarnTheScray]

Win more than 2 flags in your living memory and then we can talk about being a big club kid, Collingwood have been sh*t since 1940

"Haha I really showed him up guys!"

 

[Deadly Assassin]

Win more than 2 flags in your living memory and then we can talk about being a big club kid, Collingwood have been sh*t since 1940

This just helps prove my point.

 

[Fadge]

You Tigers supporters sound exactly like Hawthorn supporters who believe footy started in 1960.

Except for a majority of Tigers supporters, they would have you think that footy started in 2017.

It's clear they've forgotten about their 34 seasons as a laughing stock of the competition...

 

[Deadly Assassin]

Except for a majority of Tigers supporters, they would have you think that footy started in 2017.

It's clear they've forgotten about their 34 seasons as a laughing stock of the competition...

Richmond and Hawthorn supporters, clearly cut from the same cloth.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

Tiges get to 15 in the current era before rejuvenation will be required, rule of fives for them.

I like the Dees as first to 17, have form for stringing together 5 or 6 in quick succession.