Recruiting Trade & Free Agency VIII

[Lore]

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Spoiler: AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY KEY DATES 2020

Draft Combine
Tuesday October 1 - Friday October 4

AFL Grand Final
Saturday October 24

Free Agency Window
Friday October 30 – Friday November 6

AFL Trade Period (Players and picks)
Wednesday November 4 – 7.30pm Thursday November 12

List Lodgement 1
Wednesday November 25

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Thursday November 26 - Sunday November 29

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Monday November 30

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Monday November 30 - Tuesday December 1

AFL Trade Period (Picks only)
Concludes Thursday December 3

National Draft
7pm Wednesday December 9

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
12pm Thursday December 10

Final List Lodgement
Mid-December (tbc)

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
Wednesday January 6, 2021 – will conclude prior to the start of the 2021 Toyota AFL Premiership Season

Spoiler: DRAFT ORDER

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Poll results: Who should stay? | Which key forward do you want? | What would you give up to get Josh Dunkley

5

Josh Dunkley

Age

27

Ht

191cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.8

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.3

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

3.2

5star

D

20.7

5star

K

7.0

3star

HB

13.7

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

5.3

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

14.2

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

4.0

5star

CL

1.4

4star

?

 

[Yoda_]

We'd probably have to give Collingwood a second back in that deal

look, they were just to be the bones of a deal(s).

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

We’re not giving up two top ten picks for pick 2.

 

[Dons4Life]

If we do trade out two firsts with North Melbourne for pick 2 then we absolutely take McDonald with it. If Logan is selected at one then you 100% go for Ellijah Hollands. The kid looks something special.

I'd then be hoping we can move out the that 3rd original selection for two later firsts, ideally one this year and one next. We end up with one of the best kids in the draft, a later first round selection this year and then two x firsts next year.

Hypothetical of course;

-- Trade 1 --

Essendon out; Pick 6, pick 8 (> North Melbourne)
Essendon in; Pick 2 ([1]Logan McDonald, [2] Ellihah Hollands)

-- Trade 2 --
Essendon out; Pick (> Collingwood)
Essendon in; Pick 14/pick 16 ([1] Nathan O'Driscoll, [2] Finlay McCrae), 2021 Collingwood first rounder

End up;

2020 draft
Pick 2
Pick 14/pick 16

2021;
Essendon first round selection
Collingwood first round selection

I wouldn't mind trying to chase North's second in 21 to pair up with #2, give us much more flexibility heading into 2021.

I think the Collingwood trade has to be the main trade to focus on. Getting an extra 1st next year should be the priority with a bumper draft crop forecast. Would love Hollands but from the vision of Perkins he looks like he could develop into a similarly exciting option for us and not cost us 2 1st rounders.
The only way I see them trading up to 2 is after pick 1 has taken place and only if McDonald is still available.

 

[BomberARMY]

We’re not giving up two top ten picks for pick 2.

So we wont be getting Pick 2..

 

[Lore]

We’re not giving up two top ten picks for pick 2.

That's the going rate – we won't get it for less.

We definitely won't be giving three top ten picks and our future first though, regardless of what the nuffies say.

 

[ghostdog]

We’re not giving up two top ten picks for pick 2.

Yeah I'm starting to think we won't be chasing Pick 2 as well.
Brasher made the fairly vacuous comment that "We'll use those three picks", and while that's non-committal in terms of how, Adelaide's unpredictability is the issue I think... unless we rate Hollands and Thilthorpe equally strongly maybe.

 

[LB#16]

How many seasons will I be told we will have a solid young group in the coming years? For every melbourne there is a Brisbane

This list isn't nearing Brisbane 2019 yet, sorry to tell you.

 

[citizen-erased]

If we didnt pony up a couple of top 10s for a proven gun like dunkley, in the position of most dire need, why would we do that for a gamble on pick 2?

 

[Dons4Life]

If we didnt pony up a couple of top 10s for a proven gun like dunkley, in the position of most dire need, why would we do that for a gamble on pick 2?

Firstly I agree with this, however I think the biggest issue was the Bulldogs insistence that the deal included our future 1st which I'm glad dodo told them to FO. That is a non negotiable for me. Perhaps if JUH wasn't in play then or picks this year would have had a lot more value to them.

 

[Duckworth]

I've been saying it's crazy to trade out 2 firsts for 1 player all along. But I'm starting to soften on the stance. From a list and team structure point of view, we look pretty thin in the KPF stakes. Just maybe....

 

[Bjchan13]

If we didnt pony up a couple of top 10s for a proven gun like dunkley, in the position of most dire need, why would we do that for a gamble on pick 2?

All picks are a gamble so whether its 2 top 10s or pick 2, we're gambling either way. Its highly unlikely we find a player as good as Dunkley with any of our picks but there is also a minute chance we can find a player better than Dunkley. Thats the option the club has taken so if our recruiters think that Hollands or McDonald is that player that can be better than Dunkley they'd be contradicting themselves if they didnt trade up to get them. If that player is gone and we hold all 3 picks, i think the recruiters know that while we probably wont get a Dunkley, theyll be backing themselves to plug a few holes with best 22/solid citizens/role players.

 

[The Donners]

I've been saying it's crazy to trade out 2 firsts for 1 player all along. But I'm starting to soften on the stance. From a list and team structure point of view, we look pretty thin in the KPF stakes. Just maybe....

We just gave up a proven KPF (albeit injury prone) for 1 top 10 pick. I say how out for Ben King

34

Ben King

Age

23

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

or the like to come out of contract.

 

[Duckworth]

We just gave up a proven KPF (albeit injury prone) for 1 top 10 pick. I say how out for Ben King

34

Ben King

Age

23

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

or the like to come out of contract.

Getting a player like the Kings would be the dream. I like the idea of saying that we can just straight up solve a problem and start a batch of good KPF's developing. Also, if we trade up to say pick 2 (while holding #6), we can put in a cheeky bid on the Sydney guy, and have another dip at one of the Top 5.

I'm not sure I'd want to be the one responsible for pulling the trigger... but there is only one McDonald in the draft.

 

[fairbump_playon]

We could offer all of our picks and The Hangar, move back to Windy Hill.

Won a few flags from Windy Hill - let’s do it. Melbourne can move to the Hangar if they give us Petracca as well as Oliver

 

[fairbump_playon]

I've been saying it's crazy to trade out 2 firsts for 1 player all along. But I'm starting to soften on the stance. From a list and team structure point of view, we look pretty thin in the KPF stakes. Just maybe....

Don’t soften

 

[citizen-erased]

Firstly I agree with this, however I think the biggest issue was the Bulldogs insistence that the deal included our future 1st which I'm glad dodo told them to FO. That is a non negotiable for me. Perhaps if JUH wasn't in play then or picks this year would have had a lot more value to them.

All picks are a gamble so whether its 2 top 10s or pick 2, we're gambling either way. Its highly unlikely we find a player as good as Dunkley with any of our picks but there is also a minute chance we can find a player better than Dunkley. Thats the option the club has taken so if our recruiters think that Hollands or McDonald is that player that can be better than Dunkley they'd be contradicting themselves if they didnt trade up to get them. If that player is gone and we hold all 3 picks, i think the recruiters know that while we probably wont get a Dunkley, theyll be backing themselves to plug a few holes with best 22/solid citizens/role players.

Feels unlikely to me. But fair points. Rather looking fwd to draft night

 

[andleanback]

Fix and foot extremely unlucky to get delisted. Foot probably gets pushed out with the academy kids coming in. Wouldn’t be surprised if both get picked up somewhere.

 

[Haychh]

We could do worse than pick up Robbie Fox

42

Robbie Fox

Age

31

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

5.7

2star

HB

5.6

4star

M

2.2

2star

T

3.6

5star

MG

151.3

2star

D

10.8

3star

K

6.5

3star

HB

4.3

3star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.8

4star

MG

151.3

3star

D

12.2

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

6.8

5star

M

0.4

1star

T

3.6

5star

. Always thought he was fairly underrated, very surprised he got the chop.

 

[andleanback]

We could do worse than pick up Robbie Fox

42

Robbie Fox

Age

31

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

5.7

2star

HB

5.6

4star

M

2.2

2star

T

3.6

5star

MG

151.3

2star

D

10.8

3star

K

6.5

3star

HB

4.3

3star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.8

4star

MG

151.3

3star

D

12.2

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

6.8

5star

M

0.4

1star

T

3.6

5star

. Always thought he was fairly underrated, very surprised he got the chop.

Sydney fans are very surprised he got delisted, probably unlucky that he’s out of contract and players like ronke and lew Taylor aren’t.

 

[Yoda_]

We could do worse than pick up Robbie Fox

42

Robbie Fox

Age

31

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

5.7

2star

HB

5.6

4star

M

2.2

2star

T

3.6

5star

MG

151.3

2star

D

10.8

3star

K

6.5

3star

HB

4.3

3star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.8

4star

MG

151.3

3star

D

12.2

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

6.8

5star

M

0.4

1star

T

3.6

5star

. Always thought he was fairly underrated, very surprised he got the chop.

For a small(ih) defender he'd be worth having a look at.

 

[BrunoV]

Still need a quick half back/small defender who can do defensive jobs.

I've never seen anything from Hind that indicates we'd have traded for him because of his defensive qualities.

 

[Howard Moon]

Still need a quick half back/small defender who can do defensive jobs.

I've never seen anything from Hind that indicates we'd have traded for his because of his defensive qualities.

We traded for Hind to cover for the line breaking ability of Saad....which we removed by making him play deep and chip sideways..... wait

 

[citizen-erased]

We traded for Hind to cover for the line breaking ability of Saad....which we removed by making him play deep and chip sideways..... wait

our HB line used to look so good.

McKenna Hurley Saad
Retired - 1 elite game a year - Plays for Carlton
**** 2020

 

[Yoda_]

Still need a quick half back/small defender who can do defensive jobs.

I've never seen anything from Hind that indicates we'd have traded for him because of his defensive qualities.

Hoping we can select the right mature aged guy from the SANFL. Could name 3 who could come in and do a job. Duvaal looks highly promising and the one I like the most. Ask Harlequin Dream about other small/medium defenders in the SANFL.

 

[TheGrizz]

If we have 6 senior spots open then surely we put a call in to Robbie Fox

42

Robbie Fox

Age

31

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

5.7

2star

HB

5.6

4star

M

2.2

2star

T

3.6

5star

MG

151.3

2star

D

10.8

3star

K

6.5

3star

HB

4.3

3star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.8

4star

MG

151.3

3star

D

12.2

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

6.8

5star

M

0.4

1star

T

3.6

5star

's agent as a DFA.

Thats a brutal list call and played 14 games this year as a medium defender and started to look decent