Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 3

[Chief]

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Vic - How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 4

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[AM]

Lol, so it’s nearly 10 minutes slower than the bus. What a joke

Stop making stuff up Eddie.

 

[AM]

I know you want us all to be like sweden, it's not happening. Only tin foil hat nutters like you still say it's "just the flu*

And hasn't Sweden handled it brilliantly, Ned?

Massive backflip after virus strategy fails

With three words, Sweden’s King Carl Gustaf captured the panic engulfing his country as it backflips on a controversial herd immunity strategy and coronavirus case numbers explode.

www.news.com.au

 

[Ned_Flanders]

I read 30 and 22 but basically the same

But the funniest argument was people won’t have to go to southern cross, they can travel direct. Yeah that’s nice if you’re on a route that actually uses the tunnel, for the rest of Melbourne Southern Cross then Skybus is still much more convenient and quicker

As someone who actually uses skybus regularly, it's not very convenient. The schedule is all over the shop, and you can have big windows where no buses are leaving. It's merit is it's cheap, and it's efficient outside peak times.

It has improved compared to 10 years ago, but I normally budget a big time buffer for delays when I use it

 

[Evolved1]

And hasn't Sweden handled it brilliantly, Ned?

Massive backflip after virus strategy fails

With three words, Sweden’s King Carl Gustaf captured the panic engulfing his country as it backflips on a controversial herd immunity strategy and coronavirus case numbers explode.

www.news.com.au

Bolt and Credlin have more credibility than news.com.au. Why even bother posting clickbait?

 

[AM]

As someone who actually uses skybus regularly, it's not very convenient. The schedule is all over the shop, and you can have big windows where no buses are leaving. It's merit is it's cheap, and it's efficient outside peak times.

It has improved compared to 10 years ago, but I normally budget a big time buffer for delays when I use it

Precisely. The suggestion it's 22 mins from the City is risible. And most have to train to the City to get it.

Limos from the burbs are $100. Way to go.

 

[AM]

Bolt and Credlin have more credibility than news.com.au. Why even bother posting clickbait?

Try and assimilate the content. It references other sites and, unusually for News, is well put together. But you keep living in your fantasy world.

The Swedish COVID-19 Response Is a Disaster. It Shouldn’t Be A Model for the Rest of the World

Sweden's unique approach to the pandemic has drawn interest from other countries. But the data are clear: it's largely been a failure.

time.com

 

[eddiesmith]

Precisely. The suggestion it's 22 mins from the City is risible. And most have to train to the City to get it.

Limos from the burbs are $100. Way to go.

And you’d have to catch a train to the city to get the airport link too...

 

[eddiesmith]

As someone who actually uses skybus regularly, it's not very convenient. The schedule is all over the shop, and you can have big windows where no buses are leaving. It's merit is it's cheap, and it's efficient outside peak times.

It has improved compared to 10 years ago, but I normally budget a big time buffer for delays when I use it

I’ve never used it so will take your word on that, I just plan 3 hours for the drive from the eastern suburbs across the gridlock that’s not a priority for this government

 

[AM]

And you’d have to catch a train to the city to get the airport link too...

That's true for most. However, my post was more directed at you saying it will be 10 mins slower than the bus. That isn't so and the proposed timetable is every ten minutes.

That said, there are other projects I'd put before it.

Most western countries do have a rail link to their major airport.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

I’ve never used it so will take your word on that, I just plan 3 hours for the drive from the eastern suburbs across the gridlock that’s not a priority for this government

I live in the eastern suburbs, and the only way it takes three hours is if you use the train plus Skyrail. Even during roadworks it doesn't take three hours .

 

[mouncey2franklin]

How so very biased of you not to note the project is co-funded by Scummos mob.

Liberal and Labor are both terrible. This much is obvious to anybody with a brain.

There is not a single politician in parliament who gives a s**t about you. Period.

 

[Mateyman]

Lol. Covid-19 is a disease in humans. Sewage can't develop pneumonia or other illnesses associated with SARS-Cov-2.

This highlights the issues associated with the tests. PCR tests will amplify small fragments of virus RNA that are harmless - resulting in false positives. How many times do we need to mass test the populations of whole suburbs, with zero positives, because some bits of inert virus are detected? The rationale for continued mask wearing is equally irrational.

You think that the relatively cheap measure of opening up optional testing where potential covid has been detected is more irrational than just leaving it to potentially fester and grow out of control? Truly bizarre

 

[Mateyman]

I don't really see why they've done the rail link - doesn't seem to fill a big gap. People seem to think a train from a major airport is expected. 29 minutes to town hall is quite good I guess and so would be faster to the centre of the city than skybus especially at peak. Could they deliver an express service to say Town Hall at some point or is there some reason why not?

 

[eddiesmith]

I don't really see why they've done the rail link - doesn't seem to fill a big gap. People seem to think a train from a major airport is expected. 29 minutes to town hall is quite good I guess and so would be faster to the centre of the city than skybus especially at peak. Could they deliver an express service to say Town Hall at some point or is there some reason why not?

Because Dan doesn’t really want it but perhaps it was his way of getting the federal government to support the tunnel he does want. So by linking them he got funding for the tunnel as the Feds wanted the airport rail.

I assume line capacity may not make express services possible which is why the preferred option was a dedicated line but it didn’t suit his agenda.

 

[Mateyman]

Because Dan doesn’t really want it but perhaps it was his way of getting the federal government to support the tunnel he does want. So by linking them he got funding for the tunnel as the Feds wanted the airport rail.

I assume line capacity may not make express services possible which is why the preferred option was a dedicated line but it didn’t suit his agenda.

Wouldn't a dedicated line cost a lot more?

 

[Brad Goodman]

A city without a train from the airport isn’t really a proper city.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Wouldn't a dedicated line cost a lot more?

the dedicated line idea was killed years ago

the idea of using the metro line has been in place since metro was announced, the only question was where the spur for the line was go (there was a bit of debate about this for a while)

 

[Ned_Flanders]

23 days of double donuts

1 active case (who is also hospitalized)

10k tests done

word is masks will be voluntary outside as of tomorrow as long as social distancing can be maintained

 

[freebloke]

$1.6 billion student Disability Inclusion package

The record investment will transform support for students with disability in Victorian government schools – doubling the number of students receiving extra support in the classroom to 55,000 – and is expected to create up to 1,730 jobs across the state by 2025.

All schools will benefit from the change, enabling them to better support students who may have previously been ineligible for targeted support – such as those with autism, dyslexia or complex behaviours.

This new approach puts the needs of the student at the heart of our response – shifting away from current practices and focusing on what a child can achieve, rather than what they can’t.

For students, this will mean more opportunities to promote their own strengths, interests and learning needs, and the support they need at school. With additional funding, schools will be able to better plan and adjust support for students throughout all stages of their schooling.


This is an excellent announcement and a much-needed change within our education system. The thresholds for student funding for disability have been far too high - meaning many students often don't get the targeted support they need. I'm hopeful this also signifies a larger shift towards a student-centred focus within our education system over the next five-to-ten years.

You missed literacy & numeracy.

Throwing money at things is no guarantee. Is there a money back guarantee or is it a one way street ?

Being familiar with this situation, really what the kids need more literacy and numeracy skills. FAR too little focus on how to do simple math based problem solving.

Disability funding in part is already dealt with by NDIS.

Sure, it might be a marginal improvement for kids on disabilities. However, the core syllabus that kids deal with these days has gone far too much in the “how to use an iPad” direction. So, more of this funding should go to lifting each kid’s educational standards, rather than all of the 1.6 billion going straight to disability.

 

[chunkylover53]

23 days of double donuts

1 active case (who is also hospitalized)

10k tests done

word is masks will be voluntary outside as of tomorrow as long as social distancing can be maintained

pls baby jesus let this be true.

 

[Pessimistic]

Because Dan doesn’t really want it but perhaps it was his way of getting the federal government to support the tunnel he does want. So by linking them he got funding for the tunnel as the Feds wanted the airport rail.

I assume line capacity may not make express services possible which is why the preferred option was a dedicated line but it didn’t suit his agenda.

‘it’s been proven that people hate waiting for a service much more than how long the service takes to travel. I guess a train has so much more capacity. They can then go into smartphone world for the duration

 

[Pessimistic]

So this is australia wide figures, but 130k people have quarantined at a facility somewhere. 850 ish were found to be infected. Not sure how many refused testing

we can count the donors of community outbreaks on one hand, perhaps two? Although the mistakes are devastating, the track record looks quite good

again Victoria has not been a part of this since June

 

[Suspense]

Disability funding in part is already dealt with by NDIS.

NDIS funding is limited to disability supports in school but is not education-based:

• Self-care at school related to the student’s disability, like support with eating.
• Specialised training of teachers and other staff about the specific personal support needs of a student with disability.
• Specialist transport required because of the student’s disability (does not substitute parental responsibility).
• Transportable equipment such as a wheelchair or personal communication devices.
• Therapies a family and school have agreed may be delivered during school time but are not for educational purposes.

https://www.ndis.gov.au/understanding/ndis-and-other-government-services/education

The remainder is funded by the education system.

Sure, it might be a marginal improvement for kids on disabilities. However, the core syllabus that kids deal with these days has gone far too much in the “how to use an iPad” direction.

I don't know what you mean - you can read the Maths syllabus here.

https://victoriancurriculum.vcaa.vic.edu.au/mathematics/curriculum/f-10

So, more of this funding should go to lifting each kid’s educational standards, rather than all of the 1.6 billion going straight to disability.

In a practical sense, it does help more than just those students with a disability.

Take a class of 25 students in which you may have a student with ADHD, a student with dyslexia and a student with low IQ - all of which previously would have been ineligible for funding. These students, due to their diagnoses, may find it difficult to engage with the class content, and as a result, disengage from their learning. As they are disengaged, they are disruptive to the classroom learning environment - affecting the learning of the 22 other students. The teacher may spend a disproportionate amount of class time assisting these students to re-engage them - meaning that some/many of the 22 other students don't get the assistance (or opportunities for extension) they need.

Under this model, the students would be eligible for funding which could go towards an education support aide who can focus on assisting these students given their unique learning disabilities. This support can help avoid that initial point of disengagement - leading to a better classroom learning environment for all 25 students.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Glad the airport link is getting started in one form or another but the metro tunnel option was definitely not my favoured solution. The new HCMTs and their peak hour configurations are not the ideal layout for airport commuters who would probably prefer a seat and regular commuters don't mix well with ordinary people carrying suitcases and bags before and after their flight. Then there's the issue with taking more capacity out of the tunnel before it's even been built, despite the clear need to electrify out to Melton and Wyndham Vale. And then there's the missed opportunity to put regional trains on a dedicated line between Sunshine and the city and let them run in at full speed without being impeded by other services.

 

[boncer34]

If you want us to pat Dan on the back for 1 active case you also accept he was at fault for the 700 daily cases we saw.

Conversely if you want to attribute no credit to him for us being at 1 active case you can't attribute any blame to him for the 700 daily cases.

Can't have it both ways.