2019 Collingwood club focus thread
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Their midfield looks very good now especially with Daicos next year but they havent helped with their main probelms - average-good CHF (Mihochek), poor inconsistent aging FF (Cox) and are a key defender down still (assuming Moore covers one and Howe plays third tall which is his best role).On paper I think Collingwood made out like absolute bandits. If any/all of Henry, Macrae, Poulter and McInness have an impact on their first season - or at least develop as projected - then they are laughing. Especially with Daicos coming in next season.
All those weeks of pain may have been worth it.
Their midfield looks very good now especially with Daicos next year but they havent helped with their main probelms - average-good CHF (Mihochek), poor inconsistent aging FF (Cox) and are a key defender down still (assuming Moore covers one and Howe plays third tall which is his best role).
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Their midfield looks very good now especially with Daicos next year but they havent helped with their main probelms - average-good CHF (Mihochek), poor inconsistent aging FF (Cox) and are a key defender down still (assuming Moore covers one and Howe plays third tall which is his best role).
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So next year's picks for Collingwood are:
1x 2nd round pick
3x 3rd round picks.
Is that enough points for Nick Daicos, if he is a top 5 talent?
Hine seemed to suggest it was more than enough in his draft recap. He addressed it specifically.
It's probably the biggest assumption of the last few years that Collingwood are going to finish above Daicos' bid position.
There's so many moving parts for this to be certain.
1. Is Daicos (who hasn't played since u/16's and only school football to boot) good enough to be in the top half a half a dozen players in the draft? He might not be this time next year.
2. Is Collingwood not going to drop off a cliff?
They only need one of these scenario's to eventuate for that trade to look pretty ordinary, if both eventuate it's a disaster trade imo. i.e Daicos ends up a second round prospect and Collingwood finish in the bottom 5.
They should have waited to see what pick they had in 2021 and where Daicos shaped before trading it. They could have always traded into R1 of 2022.
They've carried all the risk now, for some late first/second round draftee's.
Unless Daicos completely destroys his knee or something else between now and then pretty sure he is a lock for a least top 10. Probably more likely jostling for a spot in the top 5.
Something would have to radically change between now and then.
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Mate, there's a million players who have been top 5 locks as u/16's that have barely even been drafted, let alone still go in the top 5.
With respect to Shifter, he hasn't watched him play competitive football in almost 18 months.
Collingwood should have waited, like you said, if he's still only a top 10 pick and Collingwood finish up with pick 7. that is a huge missed opportunity.
I disagree the best under 16’s generally become the best under 18 prospects.
Except where they are the prototypical man child, dominating by mere size differential.
Daicos had been mixing it with guys significantly older than him and still been performing. In fact he has stood out his whole junior career simply due to his talent.
I think you are just doomsdaying.
I'm not doomsdaying.
Where's the upside here for Collingwood?
Everything pans out and it works, Daicos is a top 5 pick and Collingwood make the finals, perfect.
But, every other scenario in play significantly reduces the value that deal.
- You could have held it for the trade period next year to see who was on offer and still recieved Daicos.
- You could have held it to see if Daicos was a legitimate top 5/10 pick, he wasn't injured etc
- You could have held it to see how high your pick actually was. i.e you aren't trading away a top 5 pick.
- You could have held it and assessed the 2021 talent pool vs 2022 and traded for an additional R1 in 2022 and still recieved 3 x R1 talents in 2 years instead of 2.
All the upside was in waiting imo.
Not rapt with it myself. I agree its a worry if a club goes really hard at a draft that so many other clubs are steering clear of. We picked up too many average picks. Current list has 20 kids ( list of 42) who have a total of 44 games experience between them. No top 10 picks at the club from the last 6 drafts. Only 3 picks from the teens. We are unbalanced with much less young talent than most. Worries me.IMHO Collingwood did very well this year but sort of had to to save face for their shocking situation in the trade period.
I have hesitations about clubs going hard this year when I think there will be so many kids who went undrafted this year who would of had great 2020's and will be drafted next year.
I think 2021 will be the best draft we have seen for years and 2020 could have the most busts of any draft for years.
Not rapt with it myself. I agree its a worry if a club goes really hard at a draft that so many other clubs are steering clear of. We picked up too many average picks. Current list has 20 kids ( list of 42) who have a total of 44 games experience between them. No top 10 picks at the club from the last 6 drafts. Only 3 picks from the teens. We are unbalanced with much less young talent than most. Worries me.
Their midfield looks very good now especially with Daicos next year but they havent helped with their main probelms - average-good CHF (Mihochek), poor inconsistent aging FF (Cox) and are a key defender down still (assuming Moore covers one and Howe plays third tall which is his best role).
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Mate, there's a million players who have been top 5 locks as u/16's that have barely even been drafted, let alone still go in the top 5.
With respect to Shifter, he hasn't watched him play competitive football in almost 18 months.
Collingwood should have waited, like you said, if he's still only a top 10 pick and Collingwood finish up with pick 7. that is a huge missed opportunity.
You only need to look at someone like Elijah Hollands. He was the #1 pick this time last year with a full season of underage football under his belt. I suspect if the Victorian pool had of had the full season of exposure, he may have slid even more. Plenty of sh*t can happen and Collingwood carry ALL the risk now.
hope so but it's hard to tell exactly what we have with him. He is listed 188cm which is a bit small to be Gunston I would have thoughtHenry will be a very good player.
He's a Daicos and he's very good. Wouldn't start talking risk when your club had the chance to take the best key tall forward and chose a midfielder.. Thats a risk.
In the open draft, yes. Let’s not kid ourselves here, Adelaide took the safe option and reached for the local boy with nearly all their picks this year to avoid the retention issues they’ve had in recent years.The best tall forward in the draft? Despite actually being the third picked tall forward in the first 4 picks?
We took the best midfielder in the draft. We are happy.
It's probably the biggest assumption of the last few years that Collingwood are going to finish above Daicos' bid position.
There's so many moving parts for this to be certain.
1. Is Daicos (who hasn't played since u/16's and only school football to boot) good enough to be in the top half a half a dozen players in the draft? He might not be this time next year.
2. Is Collingwood not going to drop off a cliff?
They only need one of these scenario's to eventuate for that trade to look pretty ordinary, if both eventuate it's a disaster trade imo. i.e Daicos ends up a second round prospect and Collingwood finish in the bottom 5.
They should have waited to see what pick they had in 2021 and where Daicos shaped before trading it. They could have always traded into R1 of 2022.
They've carried all the risk now, for some late first/second round draftee's.