List Mgmt. 2020 Draft Thread

[NT.Thunder]

For me this is tonight was the final event in the disaster that was our 2020 off season. We have developed a very unbalanced list and as we shed more of our elite talent in the next few seasons we have little quality coming through the ranks. Our drafting from 2015 onwards, now 6 drafts, has been a mess

Left on our list from after 2014 we have the following draft picks (from the main draft)
2015 32
2016 35, 59
2017 39,50,
2018 13, 29
2019 40,45,55
2020 17,19,22,30,31,44

We now have 18 players out of a list of 40 who have less than 44 games of experience between them. (10 player 0 games, 3 players 1 game, 1 player 2 games, 1 4 games, 1 nine, 1 eleven and 1 fifteen.) All our 6 top 10 picks on the list comes from 2014 or before. It will be amazing drafting from Hine if this list turns into a good one in the seasons ahead. He is basically playing a poker game with no access to the picture cards. Very hard to win

This isn't a knock on the 9 kids we have drafted in 19/20. None of us can really tell if any of them make it. I like the look of Henry and Macrae in particular but I am just guessing like most of us. Truth still is we shipped out A grade talent a few weeks ago and on numbers will struggle to replace that. List very unbalanced now for mine.

I agree. We are yet to really hit the reset button and seem to continually search for that silver bullet.

 

[sr36]

I think the suggestion is that we may have arranged the trade with GWS, but asked them to bid on Reef before putting the trade through, which meant there was no risk in those picks we traded in from GWS getting eaten up by a bid. It’s sketchy, but with the way it played out I’m almost certain that it happened that way.

But if he slipped lower, its likely that we would have gotten more back in trade from someone else. I think it's more likely that we planned to try to trade the first rounder the moment Reef was bid on. Personally, I think we got unders.

 

[mike123]

That draft was not about next year. This is about building around Grundy, Moore, Goo, Adams. Maynard etc. These guys should be at their peaks maturity wise as these kids start to hit their straps.

They’ll be past their peaks physicality wise wise though.

 

[sr36]

For me this is tonight was the final event in the disaster that was our 2020 off season. We have developed a very unbalanced list and as we shed more of our elite talent in the next few seasons we have little quality coming through the ranks. Our drafting from 2015 onwards, now 6 drafts, has been a mess

Left on our list from after 2014 we have the following draft picks (from the main draft)
2015 32
2016 35, 59
2017 39,50,
2018 13, 29
2019 40,45,55
2020 17,19,22,30,31,44

We now have 18 players out of a list of 40 who have less than 44 games of experience between them. (10 player 0 games, 3 players 1 game, 1 player 2 games, 1 4 games, 1 nine, 1 eleven and 1 fifteen.) All our 6 top 10 picks on the list comes from 2014 or before. It will be amazing drafting from Hine if this list turns into a good one in the seasons ahead. He is basically playing a poker game with no access to the picture cards. Very hard to win

This isn't a knock on the 9 kids we have drafted in 19/20. None of us can really tell if any of them make it. I like the look of Henry and Macrae in particular but I am just guessing like most of us. Truth still is we shipped out A grade talent a few weeks ago and on numbers will struggle to replace that. List very unbalanced now for mine.

For me this is tonight was the final event in the disaster that was our 2020 off season. We have developed a very unbalanced list and as we shed more of our elite talent in the next few seasons we have little quality coming through the ranks. Our drafting from 2015 onwards, now 6 drafts, has been a mess

Left on our list from after 2014 we have the following draft picks (from the main draft)
2015 32
2016 35, 59
2017 39,50,
2018 13, 29
2019 40,45,55
2020 17,19,22,30,31,44

We now have 18 players out of a list of 40 who have less than 44 games of experience between them. (10 player 0 games, 3 players 1 game, 1 player 2 games, 1 4 games, 1 nine, 1 eleven and 1 fifteen.) All our 6 top 10 picks on the list comes from 2014 or before. It will be amazing drafting from Hine if this list turns into a good one in the seasons ahead. He is basically playing a poker game with no access to the picture cards. Very hard to win

This isn't a knock on the 9 kids we have drafted in 19/20. None of us can really tell if any of them make it. I like the look of Henry and Macrae in particular but I am just guessing like most of us. Truth still is we shipped out A grade talent a few weeks ago and on numbers will struggle to replace that. List very unbalanced now for mine.

I was happy with last night, but what worried me is that we seem to be gambling on a cleaner brand of footy that is currently dominant becoming the vogue. To me we desperately needed to add pace for the frenetic game style that is currently dominant, yet our first three non-academy picks don't have pace as a strength.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

It’s just a little bit of fun harking back to a discussion from yesterday afternoon. A hypothetical was raised about GWS bidding on Reef with their first pick and us then trading with them immediately after the bid once the garbage picks we had were exhausted. Things wound up a bit heated between me and partypie so I was pretty stoked for it to literally play out according to my assessment of things (albeit later picks) with no concerns over draft tampering. Although it does make you wonder whether there was some collusion between GWS and Collingwood...

I’m not sure I see the advantage in this, I must be thick!

Fair enough if you traded for a pick, you’d want to use it straight away to prevent being forced to use it to match a bid, but most in-draft trading is for use immediately... our pick 46 being an obvious exception, and trading for future picks...

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Who you keen to rookie? I’d like us to try callow or Kolar. added KPP depth on rookie list. Leaves us with decent depth and options at both ends

I can’t see us taking Callow. Everything suggests we value athleticism in KP prospects now; Buckley’s comments as well as taking McMahon as an athletic project...

 

[grayza2018]

I don't mind Kolar because he's shown he can play at either end. With Moore, Checkers and Kelly having that same capacity it gives us some flexibility

Just watching Hine's interview from last night post-draft, he mentioned Liam McMahon is capable at both ends, perhaps they will start him out in defence?

I'd be happy with any of Callow, Kolar or Treacy in today's draft

 

[jonmacTrag]

I can’t see us taking Callow. Everything suggests we value athleticism in KP prospects now; Buckley’s comments as well as taking McMahon as an athletic project...

Peter McKenna theory - fast on the lead and deadly accurate. No need to be tall - but those two traits are rare in the one package.

 

[No SPIN]

For me this is tonight was the final event in the disaster that was our 2020 off season. We have developed a very unbalanced list and as we shed more of our elite talent in the next few seasons we have little quality coming through the ranks. Our drafting from 2015 onwards, now 6 drafts, has been a mess

Left on our list from after 2014 we have the following draft picks (from the main draft)
2015 32
2016 35, 59
2017 39,50,
2018 13, 29
2019 40,45,55
2020 17,19,22,30,31,44

We now have 18 players out of a list of 40 who have less than 44 games of experience between them. (10 player 0 games, 3 players 1 game, 1 player 2 games, 1 4 games, 1 nine, 1 eleven and 1 fifteen.) All our 6 top 10 picks on the list comes from 2014 or before. It will be amazing drafting from Hine if this list turns into a good one in the seasons ahead. He is basically playing a poker game with no access to the picture cards. Very hard to win

This isn't a knock on the 9 kids we have drafted in 19/20. None of us can really tell if any of them make it. I like the look of Henry and Macrae in particular but I am just guessing like most of us. Truth still is we shipped out A grade talent a few weeks ago and on numbers will struggle to replace that. List very unbalanced now for mine.

Were you expecting to undo the above in one draft?
Not sure what you mean about unbalanced - experience/games?

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I think the suggestion is that we may have arranged the trade with GWS, but asked them to bid on Reef before putting the trade through, which meant there was no risk in those picks we traded in from GWS getting eaten up by a bid. It’s sketchy, but with the way it played out I’m almost certain that it happened that way.

So where we traded in 24 and 30, getting them to bid on Reef and use up our 41 and 42 was to protect not the 24 (which we then traded back to get Adelaide’s 2021 3rd) so much as to protect the 30?

It’s marginal but I guess I could see it.

 

[Pistol Night]

I can’t see us taking Callow. Everything suggests we value athleticism in KP prospects now; Buckley’s comments as well as taking McMahon as an athletic project...

**** the projects. How about just recruiting footballers.

 

[barrackers]

I still don't get the pick swap with the hawks. Basically it meant that we didn't go into deficit next year, but what does that deficit actually mean.

Our trio of picks in the 60s would have left us about 300 points short. Points are deducted from the same round if a club still holds that selection next year. We were always trading out our '21 first, so that doesn't apply. Therefore points come off our next selection being the future second we traded to avoid going into deficit. If we retained this future second it would have been pushed back into the third round.

One of those trio of picks came into 49, which we traded with a future fourth to Port for 44 (McCreery). Had that selection been eaten with a McInnes bid we would have received selections at the back of the draft; around 60 at the time of the PA trade, but ultimately it would have been in the 50s. Not sure if Port still do that trade if we held a pick later than 49 and given we traded up it suggests we were worried that McCreery wouldn't last.

I know we got back a few future thirds by bouncing our GWS pick back, but effectively the end result of the trade with Hawthorn was a future third, future fourth & a pick around 60 for pick 44 (McCreery).

 

[Gone Critical]

We’re you expecting to undo the above in one draft?
Not sure what you mean about unbalanced - experience/games?

We lack experience and games for the immediate years but the biggest worry is we have a list loaded with medium to late draft picks and very little top end talent. Once Sidey and Pendles are gone we will be left with little high end talent unless we unearth an unusually large number of higher end players from the picks we have on our list. Very hard to build a list without top end talent.

 

[jonmacTrag]

fu** the projects. How about just recruiting footballers.

Couldn't trade up high enough for the genuine KPP's so we are left with 'projects'.
Time will tell.

 

[unplugged]

Also those who watched the Fox Footy coverage (or managed to get through out)... did you see a familiar looking draft guide laid out in front of Sarah Jones and the team?

Wait, she has the guide by itself? I was looking for the Rubik's cube.

 

[Apex36]

But if he slipped lower, its likely that we would have gotten more back in trade from someone else. I think it's more likely that we planned to try to trade the first rounder the moment Reef was bid on. Personally, I think we got unders.

How so?

 

[whiskeytown]

Hope we rookie another small forward. Great to get one in Mcreery but we are still under stocked there and our pressure woeful if we still have to rely on Brown and Thomas

Wouldn’t mind if we rookie a mature age full back. Roughead goes down and we are short. Don’t want to then have to play Moore at fullback. Would rather see him at full forward

Keane still young and not quite ready for AFL level full back yet... more a 2nd tall defender at this point. Likewise Kelly if we throw him down back is more a 2nd KPD or half back.

People will laugh but I think Majak Daw

28

Majak Daw

Age

34

Ht

195cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

D/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.3

2star

K

5.7

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.9

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.2

2star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.0

4star

can be good full back depth until others like a Keane are ready

 

[Pistol Night]

Couldn't trade up high enough for the genuine KPP's so we are left with 'projects'.
Time will tell.

I think Callow and Baldwin are worthy of rookie spots surely

 

[Vicky Park]

For me this is tonight was the final event in the disaster that was our 2020 off season. We have developed a very unbalanced list and as we shed more of our elite talent in the next few seasons we have little quality coming through the ranks. Our drafting from 2015 onwards, now 6 drafts, has been a mess

Left on our list from after 2014 we have the following draft picks (from the main draft)
2015 32
2016 35, 59
2017 39,50,
2018 13, 29
2019 40,45,55
2020 17,19,22,30,31,44

We now have 18 players out of a list of 40 who have less than 44 games of experience between them. (10 player 0 games, 3 players 1 game, 1 player 2 games, 1 4 games, 1 nine, 1 eleven and 1 fifteen.) All our 6 top 10 picks on the list comes from 2014 or before. It will be amazing drafting from Hine if this list turns into a good one in the seasons ahead. He is basically playing a poker game with no access to the picture cards. Very hard to win

This isn't a knock on the 9 kids we have drafted in 19/20. None of us can really tell if any of them make it. I like the look of Henry and Macrae in particular but I am just guessing like most of us. Truth still is we shipped out A grade talent a few weeks ago and on numbers will struggle to replace that. List very unbalanced now for mine.

Sounding very despondent GC.

As always you make some good points. But at the very least, all these kids and inexperienced players will make the 2021 VFL season very interesting.

 

[jonmacTrag]

We lack experience and games for the immediate years but the biggest worry is we have a list loaded with medium to late draft picks and very little top end talent. Once Sidey and Pendles are gone we will be left with little high end talent unless we unearth an unusually large number of higher end players from the picks we have on our list. Very hard to build a list without top end talent.

Very hard to get top end picks when finishing in the finals last three years.
People rant and rave about missing the finals so . . .
The natural result of being a finalist is not having top end picks.
You get top end picks for failing the season.

 

[Matt_352]

Where is best place to watch/listen to the rookie draft?

 

[jonmacTrag]

I think Callow and Baldwin are worthy of rookie spots surely

Both appear worthy indeed but hardly have the exposed form of the top end boys so we are left to 'take a punt on talls'.

 

[Matt_352]

id load up on kpf and hopefully one come good. take 2 of Callow, Baldwin and Treacy. id go Callow and Baldwin.

 

[Moore of the Same]

Were you expecting to undo the above in one draft?
Not sure what you mean about unbalanced - experience/games?

I think it gives a feeling that the club is trying to walk two timelines at once. There's still a few older heads that would be looking to compete and a lot of younger guys which indicates a rebuild of sorts. Not a lot of guys in that 23-28 bracket that is usually indicative of contending teams.

I also wonder what effect this approach has on the coach. Adding a bunch of young guys is unlikely to translate to a rise up the ladder. Is the intention to contend next year? Is the intention for Nathan to play kids and rebuild again?

 

[Matt_352]

rookie draft going to be on SEN?