List Mgmt. 2020 List Management II

[Arr0w]

How does parks compare against plowman and marchbank in defensive attributes? All three are about the same height.

Better leap, stronger overhead than Plow, better kick, stronger body than Marchbank

Quicker than both

 

[HARKER]

We haven't been risk averse. It's bollocks.

Who's saying we are?

Our rebuild strategy did run into some issues (subjective) along the way, but we're not taking on 'fillers' any more.
Everything inclusive of and then post Gibbons and Cottrell has been executed with purpose, via ND's RD's and Trade.

I can't find one player that made me think - What the **** for?
Not Gibbons, Cottrell, Kemp, Philp, Ramsay, Honey, Phillips, Newnes, Pittonet, Saad, Williams, Fogarty, Carroll, Durdin....ok maybe Parks....maybe.
* + Martin Betts (can argue Betts is you want)

They'e not all going to make it and Phillips is gone, but hat's not he point. Point is that players were selected with a clear vision and purpose.

I'd love to have found a crumbing goal-kicker and a quality KPD, but if the right ones aren't there....maybe they just aren't there.

* EDIT - I forgot Martin....

 

[Accidental genius]

Better leap, stronger overhead than Plow, better kick, stronger body than Marchbank

Quicker than both

I really like that he can leap and mark overhead. Based on limited viewing I like the way he plays.

 

[Coona Blues]

Ok then, take a look at the teamboard in my signature and point out any errors, because I'm seeing 37/4/1.

We ended the season 39/6/1, we cut 3 rookies, 8 off the senior list, elevated one player: 32/2/1

We brought in 3 players in players via trade and free agency, 2 via the national draft, 1 via the rookie draft, 1 re-rookie: 37/4/1

What am I getting wrong?

Team board error inbound.

You have Eddie as a main list. He has moved to the rookie list Jimmae. We have 5 Cat A rookies at the moment plus Cat B, Owies

 

[Juddernaut08]

Who's saying we are?

Our rebuild strategy did run into some issues (subjective) along the way, but we're not taking on 'fillers' any more.
Everything inclusive of and then post Gibbons and Cottrell has been executed with purpose, via ND's RD's and Trade.

I can't find one player that made me think - What the fu** for?
Not Gibbons, Cottrell, Kemp, Philp, Ramsay, Honey, Phillips, Newnes, Pittonet, Saad, Williams, Fogarty, Carroll, Durdin....ok maybe Parks....maybe.

They'e not all going to make it and Phillips is gone, but hat's not he point. Point is that players were selected with a clear vision and purpose.

I'd love to have found a crumbing goal-kicker and a quality KPD, but if the right ones aren't there....maybe they just aren't there.

Would loved to have picked up the Saints trio:

higgins dougal howard

20

Dougal Howard

Age

29

Ht

199cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.9

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

3.1

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.4

3star

MG

176.2

3star

D

9.9

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

1.4

1star

M

4.7

4star

T

0.6

1star

MG

171.9

3star

D

9.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.8

5star

MG

133.8

3star

and butler

 

[Stamos]

Ok then, take a look at the teamboard in my signature and point out any errors, because I'm seeing 37/4/1.

We ended the season 39/6/1, we cut 3 rookies, 8 off the senior list, elevated one player: 32/2/1

We brought in 3 players in players via trade and free agency, 2 via the national draft, 1 via the rookie draft, 1 re-rookie: 37/4/1

What am I getting wrong?

Eddie Betts is a rookie

 

[FRUMPY]

Fisher looked good when he came back this year and his second year was his best. He's played enough for us to know what he can do going forward.

JSOS has versatility .. bit player = utility. You know you can't play with 22 BOGs right?

Charlie has shown he is a gun. We don't have to sweat on what sort of player he is, only his fitness.

You'd want more from JSOS going forward along with fisher - JSOS is a role player but still need more from him, along with a myriad of others his age. Its this age group who will see us flourish or not

Charlie agree with completely.

 

[FRUMPY]

Grab yourselves a fruit mince pie and be kind to each other.

 

[Gethelred]

We haven't been risk averse. It's bollocks.

I think we have a little. Differentiate the SOS bloc of recruitment (2015-18) with the next bloc of selections, and yes I know SOS was still around last year (2019-20).

SOS was definitely willing to expose the club a bit with his selections. In that bloc of picks, he took (between the draft and trades) 1 KPP for 1 small. He went for smaller, more talented with supposedly higher ceiling with the smalls, which left us a bit bereft when a) they didn't come on as quickly as we'd have liked, and b) 2017 hit us with a ton of bricks and we didn't have the depth to cover the injuries.

The players we've gotten in from 2019-20 have been collateral in case Stocker, LOB, Dow, SPS, Cuningham don't make the grade as AFL midfielders. I'd say that's a bit risk adverse, personally.

 

[zeeCFC]

Plowman, Jones, Petrevski Seton
Docherty, Weitering, Saad
Williams, Walsh, Setterfield
Silvagni, Casboult, Martin
Fisher, McKay, Betts
De Koning, Cripps, ECurnow
Murphy, Williamson, Newnes, Fogarty

Kemp, XXXX, Parks
Cottrell, Marchbank, Newman
Stocker, O'Brien, Gibbons
Honey, CCurnow, Cuningham
Philp, McGovern, Durdin
Pittonet, Dow, Kennedy
Philp, Carroll, Owies, Ramsay

A lot rests in the hands of the fitness of Charlie and Caleb. Can see why we are keen to start Kemp at half back, a little light on but you could argue that's because Willo and Newnes are off the bench in the ones, so we could always shift the magnets around.

As much as he frustrates me, Levi saves our arse if we cop an injury at either end to a tall.

 

[thylacine60]

People.

Santa is coming in two weeks.

Cheer the fu** up. Get in the Chrissy spirit.

Grab yourselves a fruit mince pie and be kind to each other.

I adore fruit mince pies. Even the ones from supermarkets.

 

[HARKER]

I think we have a little. Differentiate the SOS bloc of recruitment (2015-18) with the next bloc of selections, and yes I know SOS was still around last year (2019-20).
SOS was definitely willing to expose the club a bit with his selections. In that bloc of picks, he took (between the draft and trades) 1 KPP for 1 small. He went for smaller, more talented with supposedly higher ceiling with the smalls, which left us a bit bereft when a) they didn't come on as quickly as we'd have liked, and b) 2017 hit us with a ton of bricks and we didn't have the depth to cover the injuries.
The players we've gotten in from 2019-20 have been collateral in case Stocker, LOB, Dow, SPS, Cuningham don't make the grade as AFL midfielders. I'd say that's a bit risk adverse, personally.

Interesting view.

I know what you mean and in principle I agree, but - I see Kemp, Philp, Honey and Carroll as types that can play more than one position.
I think that's just where we are now and we have to remember also that in that time we've brought in Martin, Saad and Williams, who are all immediately best 22 players and if it wasn't for things going askew last year, Papley would be on the books also and Kemp and Philp wouldn't be.

It's tricky to assess this in depth but it just seems to me to be closer to this idea than one of us simply not being adventurous enough.

 

[FRUMPY]

I adore fruit mince pies. Even the ones from supermarkets.

When your mum asks 'do you want a mince pie?' and you say 'yes, of course' and she gives you a pie full of dried fruit........

 

[I bleed Blue]

I adore fruit mince pies. Even the ones from supermarkets.

I always knew you were a man of culture and good taste Thy

 

[Stiffler's Dad]

My Cousins young fella who is Horrie Clover's Great-Grandson is in the Stingrays squad next season. Would be a good story if he made it to the mighty Blues
I hope our guys are aware.

 

[Stefchook]

Better leap, stronger overhead than Plow, better kick, stronger body than Marchbank

Quicker than both

Just going on the highlights, I'm not convinced about his kicking. High ball drop. Reminded me of Casboult.

 

[Stiffler's Dad]

I adore fruit mince pies. Even the ones from supermarkets.

Mince pies, mince pies!
My kryptonite...off to the supermarket.

 

[Uncle Fester]

I adore fruit mince pies. Even the ones from supermarkets.

the coles ones are remarkably decent at the price

 

[Stiffler's Dad]

the coles ones are remarkably decent at the price

Uncle Fester do they let you have custard with your mince pies?

 

[Stiffler's Dad]

the coles ones are remarkably decent at the price

I think you are onto something there Uncle Fester. I've bought expensive ones in the past as well as the cheapies and I reckon the cheapies are better. Maybe it's a case of less or basic ingredients is more?

 

[Arr0w]

Just going on the highlights, I'm not convinced about his kicking. High ball drop. Reminded me of Casboult.

I am comparing him to Marchbank, not Whitfield

 

[Gethelred]

Interesting view.

I know what you mean and in principle I agree, but - I see Kemp, Philp, Honey and Carroll as types that can play more than one position.
I think that's just where we are now and we have to remember also that in that time we've brought in Martin, Saad and Williams, who are all immediately best 22 players and if it wasn't for things going askew last year, Papley would be on the books also and Kemp and Philp wouldn't be.

It's tricky to assess this in depth but it just seems to me to be closer to this idea than one of us simply not being adventurous enough.

See, I'm not saying I mind, nor am I saying that I don't see that lot as versatile or capable. All I'm saying is that we as a club really aren't backing SOS's initial choices.

There's probably a bit of wisdom in that.

 

[Uncle Fester]

Uncle Fester do they let you have custard with your mince pies?

ha i had a heart attack and discovered i was a diabetic the day before the gold coast game last year (last minute loss in hospital - 18 hours after heart operation........) - allow myself the occasional mince pie - but have to cut out the custard!

 

[Kramer1]

Who's saying we are?

Our rebuild strategy did run into some issues (subjective) along the way, but we're not taking on 'fillers' any more.
Everything inclusive of and then post Gibbons and Cottrell has been executed with purpose, via ND's RD's and Trade.

A few have mentioned us as being a risk averse club, specifically in respect of not selecting Winder.

It depends how far back one wishes to look, but I think we have been one of the more expansive clubs in this regard, particularly when you consider the tiny margin for error we had to play with during the 'rebuild'. I'd mentioned in another post we have more than a decade's worth of high risk selection, the vast majority of which failed to salute.

Looking at the SOS era Samo was a risky selection over the relative known quantity of local boy Brodie. We went for the high potential upside (and rough edges) of Dow over the more rounded player in Cerra. We've run a high risk trade strategy, trading out some of our best performing players for draft currency, we waded in to live trading earlier and deeper than anyone else. We didn't have a lot of joy with free agency until this year, but not through lack of trying. Gibbons was a huge risk given he had been passed over a dozen or so times by every club.

Whether we have taken the right risks...or the risks people would like to see us take, particularly towards the back end of drafts/rookie lists, is another argument, but hard for anyone to stand behind the statement that we have been risk averse.

 

[Metalcrusher]

I adore fruit mince pies. Even the ones from supermarkets.

Hippy. Next you will tell me you drink camomile tea FFS.