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B: Plowman---------------Jones----------------Marchbank

H: Docherty-------------Weitering--------------Saad

C: Williams---------------Cripps----------------O'Brien

H: Newnes---------------McGovern-------------Martin

F: Betts-------------------McKay----------------Fogarty

Foll: De Koning, Setterfield, Walsh

Bench: Williamson, Dow, SPS, Cuningham

Emerg: Pittonet, Newman, Stocker, Fisher, Silvagni
 
djholmes said:
B: Plowman---------------Jones----------------Marchbank

H: Docherty-------------Weitering--------------Saad

C: Williams---------------Cripps----------------O'Brien

H: Newnes---------------McGovern-------------Martin

F: Betts-------------------McKay----------------Fogarty

Foll: De Koning, Setterfield, Walsh

Bench: Williamson, Dow, SPS, Cuningham

Emerg: Pittonet, Newman, Stocker, Fisher, Silvagni
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No Ed Curnow anywhere? Personally in my opinion you would also need another tall up forward, either Casboult or JSOS.
 
possible 2021


Caleb Jones Plow

Saad Weiters Dochers

Carroll (TDK Cripps) McGovern
( Fogarty Walsh)

Martin* Harry Williams*

JSOS* Levi Fish


Ed*, Murph*, Setters,* Dow*.

* on ball rotations.

I know I have left plenty out and am being speculative on wings but just throwing it out there.
 
Won't happen but I'd like to see something like this (Charlie not included at this stage):

Plowman Jones Stocker
Docherty Weitering Saad
Cottrell Cripps Williamson
Newnes McGovern SPS
Martin McKay Fisher
De Koning Williams Walsh
Cuningham Silvagni Setterfield E Curnow

Stocker taking over from SPS as the small defender and distributor. SPS to half forward.

Newnes a hard-tackling hard-running defensive forward who can still impact the scoreboard.

Cottrell - I know many don't share my optimism about this guy but I really feel he could prove an asset with his huge endurance base, less rotations in 2021 etc. Has a great ability to get to contests.

Jack Silvagni as part of the midfield rotations.

Gibbons just misses and is next in line.

Unfortunately Murphy, Betts and Casboult will all be in the R1 team.
 

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Sharks On A Plane said:
Won't happen but I'd like to see something like this (Charlie not included at this stage):

Plowman Jones Stocker
Docherty Weitering Saad
Cottrell Cripps Williamson
Newnes McGovern SPS
Martin McKay Fisher
De Koning Williams Walsh
Cuningham Silvagni Setterfield E Curnow

Stocker taking over from SPS as the small defender and distributor. SPS to half forward.

Newnes a hard-tackling hard-running defensive forward who can still impact the scoreboard.

Cottrell - I know many don't share my optimism about this guy but I really feel he could prove an asset with his huge endurance base, less rotations in 2021 etc. Has a great ability to get to contests.

Jack Silvagni as part of the midfield rotations.

Gibbons just misses and is next in line.

Unfortunately Murphy, Betts and Casboult will all be in the R1 team.
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Bold, don't mind it. I would like to see Marsh picked up, played initially at CHF, chopping out in the ruck

I guess that would shift everyone down one, Cuners would miss out in that scenario
 
Won't include Charlie yet, but this is my updated best 22

Plowman Jones Williamson
Docherty Weitering Saad
Williams Cripps Murphy
Martin Casboult Silvagni
Betts McKay Fisher

Pittonet E.Curnow Walsh

Setterfield Fogarty SPS Newnes
 
HBF said:
Won't include Charlie yet, but this is my updated best 22

Plowman Jones Williamson
Docherty Weitering Saad
Williams Cripps Murphy
Martin Casboult Silvagni
Betts McKay Fisher

Pittonet E.Curnow Walsh

Setterfield Fogarty SPS Newnes
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Looking good!

Personally I'd have Gibbons on the bench, as I feel his output as a small forward would be greater than those currently on the interchange. I'd also bring in one of Marchbank or Newman, which allows guys like SPS/Willo more midfield time.

I feel that sadly, Fogarty and Newnes would be the ones to make way.
 
Ash24 said:
Looking good!

Personally I'd have Gibbons on the bench, as I feel his output as a small forward would be greater than those currently on the interchange. I'd also bring in one of Marchbank or Newman, which allows guys like SPS/Willo more midfield time.

I feel that sadly, Fogarty and Newnes would be the ones to make way.
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Was tough to do a best 22 with the depth we are building at the club.
 
Plowman (opposition small) Jones Marchbank (opposition 3rd forward)
Docherty Weithering Saad
Petrovski-Seton Cripps Williams
Martin Casboult Fisher
JSoS McKay Betts
Pittonet Setterfield Walsh
Kennedy (inside mid rotation) Murphy Williamson Dow

** Not taking Charlie into consideration as yet.
 
SurreyBlue said:
Plowman (opposition small) Jones Marchbank (opposition 3rd forward)
Docherty Weithering Saad
Petrovski-Seton Cripps Williams
Martin Casboult Fisher
JSoS McKay Betts
Pittonet Setterfield Walsh
Kennedy (inside mid rotation) Murphy Williamson Dow

** Not taking Charlie into consideration as yet.
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Looks quite good, but would prefer E. Curnow as the inside mid on the bench rather than Kennedy.
 
Plowman Jones Marchbank
Docherty Weitering Saad
Williamson Cripps Murphy
Martin Casboult McGovern
Betts McKay Fisher

TDK Williams Walsh

Setterfield SPS E.Curnow Gibbons

* TDK just ahead of Pittonet
* Williamson moves to a wing and goes in ahead of Newnes (I'd like to see Cuningham tried there)
* Betts and Murphy start the year, but need to perform to keep their spots
* Toss up between Marchbank and Newman - Marchbank offers a lot more if fully fit
* Toss up between JSOS and McGovern - McGovern is Teague's preferred option
* Gibbons two-way running and ability to play forward and on-ball gets him the last spot

Obviously the team will be dictated by pre-season form and injuries.

It's getting tougher..
 

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Not an easy 22 to pick.

B: Lachie Plowman - Liam Jones - Sam Docherty
HB: Adam Saad - Jacob Weitering - Sam Petrevski-Seton
C: Sam Walsh - Patrick Cripps - Jack Newnes
HF: Zac Fisher - Levi Casboult - Jack Martin
F: Mitch McGovern - Harry McKay - Eddie Betts
R: Marc Pittonet - Ed Curnow - Zac Williams
INT: Marc Murphy - Tom Williamson - Will Setterfield - XX

Gibbons probably gets that final bench spot though that 22nd spot is just about impossible to fill.

Some very decent players waiting in reserve too:

Def - Marchbank, Newman, Kemp, Parks
Mid - Dow, Fogarty, O'Brien, Stocker, Philp, Kennedy, Cottrell, Ramsay, Carroll
Fwd - Silvagni, Cuningham, Honey, Durdin
Ruck - TDK

Charlie not considered due to injury.
 
Juddernaut08 said:
Do we think Durdin will play much this year?
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Generally we play with the 4 small-mid forwards in our side.

Fisher and Martin I would think are locks for the whole year excluding injury or a surprising bad patch of form. The other two spots are wide open and it leaves guys like Fogarty, Durdin, Owies, Honey and Philp so much opportunity to crack into the side.

Personally instead of them I'd go for Betts and either Newnes/Gibbons, but with this amount of depth it really depends on what the coaches see during pre-season.
 
Ash24 said:
Looks quite good, but would prefer E. Curnow as the inside mid on the bench rather than Kennedy.
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Love Ed but IMO, we need to move on from him this year. Team defence needs to be our mental strategy in the middle of the ground now and we have the players to replace him who will add more to the team offensively. I'd be disappointed if Cripps, Setterfield and Walsh weren't our starting mids for most games. All are ready.
As for Kennedy, the 2 inside mids that I believe might take his spot would be Stocker or Fogarty.
 
I can see Teague favouring a tough and quick side. It's easy to put a bloke in a position because of talent but we have loads of talent. He's shown he likes physicality and effort and that's because that's what is required to win a premiership. We're clearly chasing pace so can see that coming into favour as it should. Pace brings about pressure and quick ball movement. Durdin, Carroll, Gibbons, Fisher, Fogarty and Betts may all put their hands up as players willing to bring pace and pressure to the forward line this year so will be interesting watching the warm up matches. I bet that will change a lot of people's teams. I know I will be definitely looking for little quick, tough blokes to squeeze into the side.
 
SurreyBlue said:
Love Ed but IMO, we need to move on from him this year. Team defence needs to be our mental strategy in the middle of the ground now and we have the players to replace him who will add more to the team offensively. I'd be disappointed if Cripps, Setterfield and Walsh weren't our starting mids for most games. All are ready.
As for Kennedy, the 2 inside mids that I believe might take his spot would be Stocker or Fogarty.
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Hang on... you're talking about wanting to improve our team defense while simultaneously replacing Ed with Kennedy?
 

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CJMB said:
Hang on... you're talking about wanting to improve our team defense while simultaneously replacing Ed with Kennedy?
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I'd be interested to see how we'd go if we replaced Ed with JSOS permanently. I don't think Jack is noticeably slower than Ed...don't think I've seen Ed burst from a pack before. Do acknowledge Ed is still an important cog in our team, but I think there's huge upside if Jack had full time midfield minutes given he's still young and has much more room to develop his midfield nous if given the time.
 
skadoosh said:
I'd be interested to see how we'd go if we replaced Ed with JSOS permanently. I don't think Jack is noticeably slower than Ed...don't think I've seen Ed burst from a pack before. Do acknowledge Ed is still an important cog in our team, but I think there's huge upside if Jack had full time midfield minutes given he's still young and has much more room to develop his midfield nous if given the time.
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Yeah, agreed, but I think when replacing Ed you've got to factor his 21 disp (career average) on top of the classic Ed stuff like applying a hard tag, the gut running both ways, being a hard toughnut in the contest, etc. We're kind of judging Jack's potential on his work as a VFL mid and how he plays forward, plus that half a game where he tagged Fyfe (who I think was a pretty good matchup for Jack, physically).

It'd be interesting, and I'd certainly be intrigued to see how he'd go at the top level, find out if he can accumulate a decent amount of ball at the top level while putting some defensive pressure on?

If Jack's coming in, I'd be thinking more of an even-ish split between inside mid and flanker. Only have two of Cripps, Setters & Jack in the middle at the same time, with Jack coming in when one of Cripps or Setters are on the bench or playing fwd/elsewhere. You want those big boys balanced out with Walsh, Williams, Williamson, Martin, SPS Newnes, Dow, etc, players with some footskills, speed/running ability/dynamics/etc to contrast and compliment the insiders.
 
CJMB said:
If Jack's coming in, I'd be thinking more of an even-ish split between inside mid and flanker. Only have two of Cripps, Setters & Jack in the middle at the same time, with Jack coming in when one of Cripps or Setters are on the bench or playing fwd/elsewhere. You want those big boys balanced out with Walsh, Williams, Williamson, Martin, SPS Newnes, Dow, etc, players with some footskills, speed/running ability/dynamics/etc to contrast and compliment the insiders.
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👏 :D :p
 
CJMB said:
Yeah, agreed, but I think when replacing Ed you've got to factor his 21 disp (career average) on top of the classic Ed stuff like applying a hard tag, the gut running both ways, being a hard toughnut in the contest, etc. We're kind of judging Jack's potential on his work as a VFL mid and how he plays forward, plus that half a game where he tagged Fyfe (who I think was a pretty good matchup for Jack, physically).

It'd be interesting, and I'd certainly be intrigued to see how he'd go at the top level, find out if he can accumulate a decent amount of ball at the top level while putting some defensive pressure on?

If Jack's coming in, I'd be thinking more of an even-ish split between inside mid and flanker. Only have two of Cripps, Setters & Jack in the middle at the same time, with Jack coming in when one of Cripps or Setters are on the bench or playing fwd/elsewhere. You want those big boys balanced out with Walsh, Williams, Williamson, Martin, SPS Newnes, Dow, etc, players with some footskills, speed/running ability/dynamics/etc to contrast and compliment the insiders.
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Do we know what Jack's midfield numbers were like in the VFL?
 
SurreyBlue said:
Love Ed but IMO, we need to move on from him this year. Team defence needs to be our mental strategy in the middle of the ground now and we have the players to replace him who will add more to the team offensively.
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Ed still doesn't get the credit he deserves.

In 2020 he ranked:

- #1 at the club for centre bounces attended;
- Top 30 for clearances, second at the club behind Cripps;
- Top 10 for tackles, top 5 if you exclude finals, 1st at the club; and
- Top 20 for inside 50s, top 15 if you exclude finals, second at the club behind Walsh

Sure, we'll start phasing him out at some point but he's still far too important for us to remove him completely. That just won't happen in 2021.

skadoosh said:
I'd be interested to see how we'd go if we replaced Ed with JSOS permanently. I don't think Jack is noticeably slower than Ed...don't think I've seen Ed burst from a pack before. Do acknowledge Ed is still an important cog in our team, but I think there's huge upside if Jack had full time midfield minutes given he's still young and has much more room to develop his midfield nous if given the time.
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Jack may not be slower than Ed but speed isn't what Ed brings to the table.

Don't mind having more of a look at Jack in the midfield but he doesn't have anywhere near the endurance or contested game that Ed does.
 
Don’t think any of these kids would see the year out playing Ed Curnow’s role. Takes a rare sort of athlete to play such a physical role while still clocking up almost the most miles of anyone on the ground each week. And yes I know how awesome Walsh is but we don’t want him to be as injury prone as Josh Kelly, he’s still maturing and needs plenty of time on the wing and to be turned into an on baller gradually.
 

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