Your clubs 26 and under side
- Thread starter The Nostradamus
- Start date
- Tagged users None
Parish, Langford are really nice players in my opinion, both well under-rated. Parish I watched closely this year as had a lot of bets around his disposals and he is a really good well balanced footballer.
Draper will only get better and looks decent to me for where you would expect a good ruck to be at 22yo. Stringer looked the damage before his syndesmosis injury this year but didn’t come back at a level of fitness to do himself justice. The team was using him well and he was just about the difference in a couple of early wins. When you add the three you have acknowledged, McGrath, Merrett and Ridley, they have 7 nice players under 26. They have swapped Saad and Daniher for 2 top 10 draft picks to add to the one they already had, so not outrageous to think at least 2 of those work out well. Not outrageous to think two or three of the other youngsters come on as well and they should get a couple of decent draftees next year as well. So they could conceivably have half a strong future team there to work with. Won’t be strong for 4-5 seasons though while they try to compile the other half of that strong team and get them used to playing together.
Cool
Rioli absolutely does not walk in to any team in the comp
What teams have three better small forwards then to keep him out?
Adelaide wouldn’t have one better than him or close.
Brisbane you would have to assess Cam McCarthy as a better player than him to keep him out and that is if you use Cameron and Rayner as permanent small forwards. Rioli would get into this team imo.
Carlton maybe have Jack Martin better than Rioli and that is it so he waltzes in there.
Collingwood played Josh Thomas in just about every game so he strolls into their team.
Bombers have Big Tone McDonald who might be better than Rioli so he finds a spot with them no issue.
Dockers would have Walters above Rioli but noone else as good as him so he gets a game there.
Cats were last seen playing 100 year old Flablett, scared out of his wits Miers, and Sam Simpson so Rioli would get into their team no problem.
Suns possibly one of the more debatable ones but Sexton, Rankine and Ainsworth would be struggling to all be better than Rioli right now. None would have anywhere near his running ability or commitment to chasing and pressuring opposition defenders.
GWS have Greene clearly rated better and you can argue over Daniels but I think Rioli comfortably has him covered, they don’t have a third strong small forward to keep him out in any event. He gets picked in this team.
Hawks might say Breust is better and that is it, he gets picked in their team.
Demons had a revolving door and I would say right now Rioli is better than all of them, so he gets picked no hassle.
North have nobody near him let alone three of them.
Port have one of the stronger arguments. Robbie Gray was doing well but is getting very close to the end. Rioli has had a better year than Rozee(for whatever reason) Ebert has retired, Motlop, Farell, Woodcock. This one might be tight but I am not sure there is a third small forward that keeps Rioli out of their team right now.
Saints you could argue Gresham but he spends half his time on ball so is not a specialist small forward. People who don’t know will say Butler but Rioli was retained by the Tigers over Butler so they have clearly rated the Tiwi Islander better. Then Kent, Lonie etc, he is better than them. Rioli gets picked in this team as a specialist small forward.
Swans have Papley ahead of him and nobody else near Rioli’s level.
Eagles have the brilliant Ryan, the probably equivalent Cripps, at worst he slots into this team as a third picked specialist small forward right now, if you think Cripps is better than him.
The Bulldogs are probably picking Wallis ahead of him. They were regularly picking Sam Lloyd when fit and this tells you all you need to know. They have some promising types in Weightman and possibly Vandermeer might play that role, but right now Rioli is better than these guys and McLean etc.
So I am out of clubs. Brisbane, Suns and Port probably the strongest complement of small forwards but I doubt even those have quite enough to be keeping Rioli out right now. In my opinion he is unarguably in every other team.
What teams do you have where he couldn’t get a game?
Last edited:
Well i can see why we disagree here, you clearly rate Rioli far far far more than i do.
'Might say Breust'
'Tippa might be better'
Both are well ahead of Rioli
The Tigers keeping Rioli over Butler does not mean they were right in doing so, based off this year he is in no way better or even close.
Rankine has Rioli covered in pressure acts, slightly ahead in 1%ers whilst being well ahead in all offensive areas.
So many inconsistencies in all the points you bring up but i will bring it back to Daniel
He averaged 0.6 goals per game
He averaged 0.1 goal assists per game
He averaged 3.1 score involvements per game = 219th in the AFL
He is a role player in a very good team, that is it. Nothing more at this stage.
You clearly over rate rioli. Based on 2020 output and age , he isnt a walk up start in other teams as much as you think he is/ Butler comment is laughable
Youll know in another ten odd years.
Your list is putrid. Essendon have less to worry about than the roos
So you are in a better position than the decision makers in a club that has won 3 flags in 4 seasons to judge Rioli v Butler? I don’t think so, to be honest, that is laughable. Richmond are simply not letting Butler go if he is better than Rioli and they are in the position to know, and they are clearly making good decisions because you are not strolling 3 flags in 4 seasons by making bad decisions around your playing personnel.
Rioli across 4 finals this season remembering they are shortened games, and he is a brilliant endurance runner so the shortened games probably work against him, IN FINALS, averaged:
11 disposals which is decent, .75 goals which is decent, 4 tackles(very high.) These are healthy enough objective numbers to get a small forward into any team. Don’t try to sell us that Izak Rankine is a better pressure forward than Daniel Rioli, Rioli gets nothing on those stats for a lot of what he does that Rankine would never do, closing down space at speed etc. You are hand selecting stats like pressure acts that you get just for being in a contest and competing. It doesn’t come close to tell you the real pressure value of a small forward.
Your stats are rounded down to create the worst possible effect on Rioli, and capture the early part of the season where he was for whatever reason struggling. The finals and late season games are a much better guide on Rioli’s value.
Rioli is not going to be high in many of the traditional small forward stats because the team does not use him in attacking chains so much, his main role is to chase and harass, something he does better than just about anyone going around and a crucial area of strength for the Tigers often credited with being one of the main reasons they turned their fortunes around from 2017. He strung together a strong and consistent 10 games leading into the Grand Final where he was uncustomarily quiet for a big game.
You still haven’t shown which club has three better small forwards than Rioli to stop him being selected for any other team…bearing in mind this part of the debate started when I said Richmond had 5 under 26 players that would walk into any other team and possibly a 6th in Rioli.
All you have done is hand select a very narrow band of stats to try to paint a false picture.
Rioli does have a specific but important role in the Richmond team. It is conjecture but I for one think any other team would jump at the chance to add him to their team to get him playing a similar role for them. Why wouldn’t they?
Virgin Dog
Cancelled
- Oct 29, 2017
- 9,734
- 20,645
- AFL Club
- Western Bulldogs
Your mistake right off the bat is assuming clubs actually want to play 3 small forwards these days. Very few clubs actually do play 3 legitimate small forwards, instead opting for resting mids or a suite of mediums.
Rioli is in no universe a better player than McLean. If you really want to force the Dogs to name 3 "small forwards", it's Wallis, McLean and Vandermeer, then daylight, then Rioli. He's fallen a long way in the last couple of years, and would be depth in most teams assuming a fully fit Best 22.
Boristown
Premiership Player
- May 24, 2015
- 4,100
- 10,118
- AFL Club
- North Melbourne
Lol ok.
You are mistaken if you think successful clubs get everything right. I could give you a long list of mistakes the Hawks made over 08-16 where we were consistently contending and winning flags. Butler is better than Rioli at this point in time, that may change at some point down the track who knows but for now it is not a debate.
You claim i was trying to paint a picture about Rioli and you go ahead and point to a 4 game sample size and even in the small sample size that you have picked he is still just average... Those narrow band of stats are crucial stats for small forwards, i was not being unfair.
I have not picked 3 small forwards because not all teams run 3 small forwards. In the modern game some will happily rotate the extra on baller forward.
You are right Rioli has a specific role which is why i called him a role player.
Butler had a massive purple patch of career best form to rd 10 2020. After that he averaged 1.4 goals + goals assists in 9 matches, averaged 3.1 tackles per game, and a shade under 10 disposals per game. Still very decent but this should give people a proper clue to how good Rioli actually is.
Rioli from the same round onwards averaged 12.6 disposals, 0.8 goals + goal assists, 3.5 tackles across 11 matches. You would probably say somewhere around similar value output but stronger in different areas.
This is not to say Butler didn’t have a better overall season, of course he did. But Richmond have clearly deemed Rioli a better player and imo they have got it right. There are things that stats don’t measure, like Butler decelerating into contests where he is going to cop heavy body contact, and lack of any aerial presence. Rioli has it all over him in those areas. This is why Rioli has played in 3 flags and Butler, despite being a very tidy player, has played in one.
Fair enough. Though look at Rioli’s output in the last 11 matches of the season, a) they include the club’s most crucial matches including a successful finals campaign, and b) his objective output in that time is not average for a small forward it would be above average.
Of course every decision the club makes won’t be correct. But this one in retaining Rioli and releasing Butler, it won’t have been a guess, they would have had a pretty clear picture of which of the two was better at the point of releasing Butler.
Seriously though, which teams wouldn’t Daniel Rioli get a game with?
Over his last 11 games he kicked 7 goals, only kicked multiple goals once and was kept goaless 5 times.
He had 2 goal assists over that entire stretch as well.
Yes i know he is a high pressure player with a good defensive side to his game but he really is currently only doing half a small forwards job. It works in the Richmond system but in most other teams he would be getting smashed for his lack of output on the other end.
Okay lets phrase it this way who do you believe is currently a better player, forget who was let go and where Richmond rate them both. Who do you think in 2020 was a better footballer? It can only be one answer.
Lastly he probably gets some games at most if not all clubs, i do think he is only depth at some clubs though. Definitely is not a walk up starter at all clubs.
With respect, Wallis had a really good year, but there is not daylight between McLean, Vandermeer and Rioli, you are just being silly. Your two are both tidy players but I would doubt either could keep up with Rioli over a whole game. McLean simply would not get a guernsey for Richmond in their best team and Vandermeer while showing good signs has many hills to climb yet before you would rate him on Rioli’s level.
Virgin Dog
Cancelled
- Oct 29, 2017
- 9,734
- 20,645
- AFL Club
- Western Bulldogs
Rioli doesn't get a guernsey for Richmond, or most teams throughout the comp. McLean and Vandermeer are easily better players, and suit our gameplan better. Rioli wouldn't get a game with us
- Oct 2, 2010
- 19,722
- 70,636
- AFL Club
- St Kilda
LOL.
Rioli is a better player than Butler, he can simply do more things better, and has a really strong big game record. Butler had a better 2020 season, undeniably.
Anyone can hand select Rioli stats to make him look like he is no good. But why would Richmond keep picking him if he was no good? Some pretty decent players are missing out on games….you would think the penny would drop with people at some point.
Lol. Rioli can literally do anything in football. He runs hard both ways, can take contested marks or split packs in the air or on the ground, has no fear, has really skilful disposal, is lightning fast, great ball handling skills. brilliant tackler. You are limiting yourself to judging him by the role Richmond use him to play, one that is crucial to their success. If you put him in any other team he has the ability to play the small forward role any way it comes.
The blokes you are listing are decent players. To say they are better than a 24 yo triple premiership player who is an automatic selection when right is stretching credibility. You are basically saying the Richmond recruiters or selectors don’t know what they are doing….and the evidence overwhelmingly says they do.
Well he was dropped this year at one point
As he has been before. He has never missed a big game though. He is clear best 22 so being dropped is a red herring. He was playing in disarray at the time but when brought back put together a really good consistent block of form from first game back in rd 11 until the end of the season. That last 11 matches is what he is most accurately judged by for obvious reasons,
owen87
Premium Gold
- Apr 23, 2016
- 30,944
- 43,368
- AFL Club
- Essendon
Never has so many words been written about a fringe player.
Rioli is an 18-22 player in Richmond’s best 22.
Some truly poor players have won premierships, that doesn’t magically make them better. Butler was pretty underwhelming in 2019, so Richmond traded him. In 2020 he pulled his finger out and would have played every week in Richmond’s side if he’d had the same form.
Rioli is an 18-22 player in Richmond’s best 22.
Some truly poor players have won premierships, that doesn’t magically make them better. Butler was pretty underwhelming in 2019, so Richmond traded him. In 2020 he pulled his finger out and would have played every week in Richmond’s side if he’d had the same form.
Similar threads
