List Mgmt. 2020 Draft Thread

[TradeDraft]

If its so meaningless why did you invest so much time over the last few weeks posting about the draft?
Clearly its NOT meaningless.

IF it was Meaningless they let me do the Picking

 

[sr36]

If its so meaningless why did you invest so much time over the last few weeks posting about the draft?
Clearly its NOT meaningless.

The draft is not meaningless, I don't know how you interpreted me as saying thatc - great teams can be built from it. Current perceptions of who has won the draft are meaningless.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Pretty sure we only took the 3 selections in the 2012 ND?

I’m not referring to Collingwood’s selections, but the number of players taken in the draft in total, as an indicator of the strength of the draft class as a whole.

 

[jonmacTrag]

I have no issue either - but it is about as meaningless as a victory can be.

It's not our victory, the media is irrelevant in this. We look at the skill, athleticism and character the kids present and make a judgement call on the night.
The rest of the process is in the hands of the development staff and the individual nature of the player.

 

[Apex36]

I’m not referring to Collingwood’s selections, but the number of players taken in the draft in total, as an indicator of the strength of the draft class as a whole.

Ah, I see what you mean now. Agreed.

 

[TradeDraft]

 

[sr36]

We don't learn do we.
Why two years? Why not just a one year extension.

No fun in one year contracts. You can't back end the deal to create a few issues down the track.

 

[No SPIN]

The draft is not meaningless, I don't know how you interpreted me as saying thatc - great teams can be built from it. Current perceptions of who has won the draft are meaningless.

You claim the media saying we won the draft is a meaningless Victory - I’m simply pointing out, given how much time you’ve dedicated to posting about it, clearly it was something that needed effort, research and deliberation, therefore it was NOT meaningless.

So by deduction the media saying we won the draft is entirely relevant, and meaningful in validating your effort and that of many others, including the club.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

IF it was Meaningless they let me do the Picking

POTY!!!!!!

 

[sr36]

You claim the media saying we won the draft is a meaningless Victory - I’m simply pointing out, given how much time you’ve dedicated to posting about it, clearly it was something that needed effort, research and deliberation, therefore it was NOT meaningless.

So by deduction the media saying we won the draft is entirely relevant, and meaningful in validating your effort and that of many others, including the club.

I read a lot about upcoming games too, but being favourites to win those games, just like being favourites to win a draft is also pretty meaningless. It makes me more confident, but it's very often wrong so my confidence is tempered.

 

[cityslick1]

I reckon the commentry on drafting is very superficial, almost no analysis. Picking 6 players almost ensured we got a great rating without any consideration of the pros and cons. A kneejerk.

Also I think the comments about us acquiring a batch of top end talent, not made by you alone, adds to the hyperbole. Would be more correct to say we bought in a large batch of medium talent. We all know no one will know how a team does at a draft for seasons down the track. 2020 draft for Collingwoof is going to be massive in deciding where we go as a club as we have invested so heavily.

Also been a high risk pathway and if it pays off Derek Hine will deserve massive accolades. I suspect he didnt have as much wriggle room due to the cap restrictions meaning with shedding a lot of players we were not in a position to bring in any other senior players. Thus he had to go to the draft in a heavy way. Also he has gone to a draft that most other recruiters shied away from. We have pinned a lot of hope to his assessment that this a good crop of kids. We may pick up some real gems with other clubs passing on this draft but if it goes the other way it may really hurt. I cant remember an established club who were currently travelling reasonable well going out on a limb like this re investing in a draft others were not interested in.

no... way too simplistic. Its the players we got. All top 4 were highly rated, and even 5 & 6 were rated as clever gets by quite a few. Ginnivan in the rookie a bonus

 

[cityslick1]

There are absolutely no-winners at the draft right now. With a ball yet to be kicked in anger.

We won't know the result for a number of years.

get your logic, but not 100% accurate imo...

So if any one club landed all of the top 10 picks in this year's draft, they wouldnt be the winners.... b/c all are supposedly unknowns??

we were also rated highly because of where we started from

 

[Gone Critical]

no... way too simplistic. Its the players we got. All top 4 were highly rated, and even 5 & 6 were rated as clever gets by quite a few. Ginnivan in the rookie a bonus

I understand that clubs will rate players
differently and will pick up players at different points of the draft compared to what another recruiter may.

That’s fine but these players are available to anyone who has a pick so where they go in the draft represents the best consensus of their value

We hope our team are great at their job and make astute choices but they are not inherently better than their peers. I don’t get too tied up on “ we rated player X much higher than we got them, were surprised they were still on the board”. Clearly a lot of other recruiting experts are not surprised

 

[Leviathan Pie]

get your logic, but not 100% accurate imo...

So if any one club landed all of the top 10 picks in this year's draft, they wouldnt be the winners.... b/c all are supposedly unknowns??

we were also rated highly because of where we started from

Until players take the field, no-one truly knows.

I'm sure we were deemed to have 'got the lot' when selecting Scharenberg & Freeman a number of years ago - look how that turned out...

Let the young blokes find their feet.

 

[TradeDraft]

 

[TradeDraft]

Pre-Draft we where Heavily Linked to Stone and I was wondering would we taken Stone ahead of Henry and Macrae?

 

[Soups]

Pre-Draft we where Heavily Linked to Stone and I was wondering would we taken Stone ahead of Henry and Macrae?

Pretty good chance I reckon. Happy with what we got though.

 

[TradeDraft]

Pretty good chance I reckon. Happy with what we got though.

I think so too from what I heard on Draft Coverage.

I rate Henry and Macrae Higher so don't think we be complaining about it

 

[TradeDraft]

 

[cityslick1]

I think so too from what I heard on Draft Coverage.

I rate Henry and Macrae Higher so don't think we be complaining about it

not so sure from the article from inside the collingwood room.

unless Jake omitted it on purpose, Dekker said Essendon may take Henry at their picks, then after the Freo pick...

"Then [Finlay] Macrae will get through to 16," said Hine. "I don't think Henry will be there." Sounds like Henry was his preference all along, and the two were line ball for selection first up

Rebuilding the Magpies: inside the Collingwood bunker

An exclusive look from inside the room as Collingwood recruiters helped reshape the club's list on AFL draft night following the traumas of the Magpies' trade period.

www.theage.com.au

 

[TradeDraft]

not so sure from the article from inside the collingwood room.

unless Jake omitted it on purpose, Dekker said Essendon may take Henry at their picks, then after the Freo pick...

"Then [Finlay] Macrae will get through to 16," said Hine. "I don't think Henry will be there." Sounds like Henry was his preference all along, and the two were line ball for selection first up

Rebuilding the Magpies: inside the Collingwood bunker

An exclusive look from inside the room as Collingwood recruiters helped reshape the club's list on AFL draft night following the traumas of the Magpies' trade period.

www.theage.com.au

Jake did not really mention any other Names so there could be things Missing that was not in the Story.

Though what you said does make me think we had Henry and Macrae ahead of Stone like I think Majority of Teams would Have

Only really talk about the Players we took and Reid and Stone.

Says Here:

Guy ascertained, after a quick phone call, that GWS should pick Connor Stone next, which would open it up for the Pies to draft Henry and potentially Oakleigh midfielder Macrae, who they rated alongside Henry on the board.

Though does not say we where rining because we wanted to take Stone or make sure Henry and Macrae would be at those picks?

 

[jackcass]

Yeah, the bolded has me concerned too. The last time we did something similar to this year is when we traded out Wellingham and Dawes and ended up with picks 18.19 and 20. It turns out it was a really crap draft to be trading into. We get incredibly lucky that Grundy somehow made it to our pick, but picks 19 and 20 were Kennedy and Broomhead and they weren't bad selections becasue there really wasn't much left in the pool by the time we took them.

Did teams shy away from the draft or was it as much about the impact of reduced list sizes?

 

[jackcass]

The 2012 draft had a similar number of players taken to 2020, but wasn’t after lists were downsized and junior footy was quashed like in 2020, so I’d take that as some form of endorsement of the 2020 cohort.

Having said that, it goes without saying that there ought to be more variance in drafting this year than on average. Hopefully we’ve gotten our assessments right and we’re advantaged by zigging where the others zagged.

List sizes were reduced to the 44 + 3x Cat B rookies back then. Not exactly sure which year it was though.

 

[TradeDraft]

Bids, bluffs and frantic calls: Inside 2020's first-round draft frenzy

Draft expert Callum Twomey goes behind the strategy and failed trades that shaped the blockbuster first round in 2020

www.afl.com.au

 

[TradeDraft]

Can see us selling our future first for 2 picks in the mid to late 20s

Just another kick to the guts.

Still think it was a Crap Idea to do that?