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bucks should go else where for an assistant role for a few years. shaw didn't and i think it showed. it will make him a better coach, if he desires to be one
That's one reason. Plus the kids don't have to put up with speculation if we go backwards a few steps, which is quite possible, if not likely. They have to play for the bloke who'll be there next year.
mm was very unlucky that he came up against brisbane at the height of their powers
You don’t need the replacement before you sack the incumbent. You need to assess the incumbent with respect to the required results and if he doesn’t measure then you have to make the move and find the replacement. It is obviously too late to go in that direction for 2007.
Perhaps. Perhaps we’ve been unlucky for half a century. I think there is a bit in that but fundamentally we have not done enough ourselves to assure our own success. The Hafey years you could write a book on. On MM, post 2002 he did nothing to address the ruck that IMO was a decisive factor. Then 12 months later we smashed in the ruck and Brisbane control the game on their terms. They studies us, found our soft spots, exploited them and totally embarrassed us. Even then we did SFA about it.
fair enough. So are you.
3 actually. He finished second last in year 1 and mid table in year 2. I realise he started with a spoon squad but it did have some good top end. At the time I was happy with 2002 albeit there were some selection issues. What I have never been happy with is the reaction to the loss and in particular the lack of attention to why we lost.
I agree. The point is we didn’t do nearly enough to become a better team than them and we can’t suit back and just blame the salary cap limitations for that. It certainly doesn’t help but nor does going into 2002 with McKee and Fraser as your ruck and particularly when, as it panned out, McKee was (correctly) deemed not to be the answer anyway and spend the year in the 2’s.
Agreed but, as I said at the time, that exposed our poor list management. To slip as badly as we did and to have exited so many who either played or still couldn’t break into that time is all the evidence I need.
I don’t buy that. He kept some duds too long which belies that claim and he arguably exited some players he should have kept. More importantly he didn’t address the list structure deficiencies and hasn’t done so in 7 years. If he has a theory it is a flawed one because it hasn’t worked.
When you get early picks for being crap you will get better players. The number of players like Swan and Shaw developed is at best average. Over 7 years with the picks we’ve had it has been well below par. Par isn’t even the test though. The test has to be at the upper end not the middle.
To a point. It was also a sign of where Geelong were at. In reality we smashed come poor teams at home. When we played the better teams we had mixed results. My issues isn’t that we are out and out crap it is that we are not very good and after 7 years with early picks that has to be the benchmark.
Not a chance. That has been said far too many time at our club obvert half a century. Someone at the AGM brought it up and was rudely and pathetically dismissed by both the president and the coach. MM actually told him they auction off a day in the coaches box and maybe he should buy a ticket. What the guy said about hardness and pace were spot on and totally dismissed.
I hope so. Back to the original thread poser, isn’t that exactly what should be done with MM? For mine we have had enough season ends to judge him by but given he is there for 2007 I wouldn’t have reappointed him for 2008.
That’s the line all western religions use to keep everyone in fold in the face of evidence to have them leave be it in daily life or when going off to kill people in the name of their peaceful God. Loyalty and commitment to the club yes but blind faith in the administration - not a chance. I hope every member and support critically evaluates everything, even if we do win the premiership.
Well they can expect a good season. Winning the flag is a big ask every year but they certainly have a much better shot then we do. If you want be that literal then, yes if they do everything the same they will win the flag unless someone else actually improves to be better than them and does it all better.Going by that logic, West Coast will win the premiership this year because they have the same coach as last year. They should expect the same result right MarkT?
I would dearly love that to be the case but IMO we just don’t have the ruck and midfield to win the flag even with a full squad. We pretty much had a full squad last year. Of course the coach is going to sound positive. Pagan and Sheedy sound positive too. If MM and/or Collingwood are confident of being ultra competitive what possible reason is there to extend the contract pre season and post the AGM for the second year running?
If you had read any of my posts over the past 6 years, I would hardly call me a cheerleader!
Anything is possible. Some things are probable. I am not a fortune teller. IMO MM has had his shot, he’s failed and it’s time for someone else. AT the end of the 2007 season it will be 8 seasons with 8 drafts ad 8 trade weeks. After 27 seasons will you still be asking who is to say he won’t improve? Tom Hafey coached Collingwood for less time with more success and got sacked. Eddie has given MM a long time already. More than enough IMO. How long do you want him to get?So who is to say that MM wont improve ?
