NO TROLLS Transgender Discrimination AFL Lawsuit

[rdhopkins2]

A transgender footy player is set to take legal action against the AFL for their allegedly discriminatory policy regarding transgender players wanting to play AFLW.

This could set a precedent case.

 

[Gralin]

Links?

 

[rdhopkins2]

Links?

The Herald Sun are reporting sorry but it’s paywalled.

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[Off Tap]

Slippery slope this one.

Me personally, they should be playing against the blokes and not women as the advantage with their added strength isn't fair to the women.

 

[theyellowsash]

Good. The idea that women's footy would be flooded with guys pretending to be women like some kind of b grade chick flick is absurd.

 

[kaiserchief13]

Is a born male turned female (or the other way around) allowed to compete in Olympics?

 

[FFB1]

 

[GROTTO]

Slippery slope this one.

Me personally, they should be playing against the blokes and not women as the advantage with their added strength isn't fair to the women.

Its a valid point. I remember when Mouncey tried to join the AFLW.

All I could think of is that she is just as strong as Brown.

 

[freddy mercury]

Honestly, if you were born a male you shouldn't be able to play womens sports, its incredibly unfair. Imagine if all the boys that didn't get drafted all of a sudden said I am a woman now, I am playing AFLW. You'd have basically another VFL comp.

 

[Off Tap]

Its a valid point. I remember when Mouncey tried to join the AFLW.

All I could think of is that she is just as strong as Brown.

Mouncy would just destroy the chicks.

I was only 75kg's when I played but if I was allowed to play against the girls, some of the bumps that you'd be able to lay on them would be epic. A real chance for some very serious, serious injury.

Apart from being able to shower with the girls, I couldn't see why you'd want to play against them.

I'm not transgender though.

 

[nick1408]

Is a born male turned female (or the other way around) allowed to compete in Olympics?

Yes - https://www.olympic.org/news/ioc-approves-consensus-with-regard-to-athletes-who-have-changed-sex-1

Source from 2004 but it probably shows the IOC has been looking at this particular issue for a long time (whether you agree with the actual policy or not)

 

[The Passenger]

This is a huge minefield. I'm 100% for transgender rights and to live their life free of discrimination.

But there's a big difference between living discrimination free and running around on a women's football field where you could cause physical harm to another person who would normally not come up against someone of your size.

People can get testosterone counts so the obvious first step is that number needs to get below a certain threshold. But even that may not be enough - men are typically more muscular then women... Does that change after transitioning? I would need to refer to someone more familiar with the process.

The problem in all of this is height. A women may lose muscle, weight and testosterone during transitioning, but they won't lose height. Which will mean they'll go from an average male physique to a big women's physique and that's not fair.

 

[Kwality]

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The usual suspects ....

 

[Bostonian]

Seems nobody ever actually asks the real women on their thoughts.

Only way you can do that is hold a private vote.

You can't hold an open one or even discuss it because any woman who speaks out or votes against it would be crucified in public by a tiny vocal minority.

In the end you can't allow transgender into a competition if it drives biological girls/women away from playing a sport or feeling comfortable doing so.

 

[The Passenger]

Honestly, if you were born a male you shouldn't be able to play womens sports, its incredibly unfair. Imagine if all the boys that didn't get drafted all of a sudden said I am a woman now, I am playing AFLW. You'd have basically another VFL comp.

You're a good poster man, but this is a crap argument.

I'm not going to say it would never happen because this is a crazy world and saying something will never happen is a good way to get egg on your face....

But it will be extremely rare that men who failed to make it as professional sportsmen decide to transition to women to have a crack at being a professional in women's sport.

The physical process of transitioning is brutal enough. The mental side even more so. It would be insane to do this.

 

[rdhopkins2]

Transgender Athlete Hannah Mouncey To Sue AFL - Star Observer

Hannah Mouncey said she is planning to initiate legal action against the Australian Football League over its new Gender Diversity Policy.

www.starobserver.com.au

This may or may not be similar to the HS article.

 

[00Stinger]

Luck is for dudes!

 

[rdhopkins2]

I think this is a very difficult issue. Of course we want everyone to feel included and happy. However the AFL also has a duty of care to all players in providing a safe workplace.

The question for the AFL is would a transgender player be a risk for other participants due to their physical size, speed or strength?

A tough one if the person wanting to play is much taller, stronger and faster than current participants.
Where does the AFL draw the line though? A participant must be with a certain height/ weight/ speed/ strength parameter?

 

[freddy mercury]

You're a good poster man, but this is a crap argument.

I'm not going to say it would never happen because this is a crazy world and saying something will never happen is a good way to get egg on your face....

But it will be extremely rare that men who failed to make it as professional sportsmen decide to transition to women to have a crack at being a professional in women's sport.

The physical process of transitioning is brutal enough. The mental side even more so. It would be insane to do this.

Its happening overseas now.

 

[Kwality]

Yes - https://www.olympic.org/news/ioc-approves-consensus-with-regard-to-athletes-who-have-changed-sex-1

Source from 2004 but it probably shows the IOC has been looking at this particular issue for a long time (whether you agree with the actual policy or not)

Ducking the issue.

 

[Jcpdragonx]

When Abby Holmes played in the Ted Witten game, you see the stark differences between her frame and the mens'. The men would stop in their tracks to let her take marks up forward otherwise she would have been steamrolled.

 

[Kwality]

Rugby Union has been addressing the issues from an international viewpoint:

World Rugby’s transgender ban a ‘dangerous precedent,’ critics say

The sport’s international governing body issued new guidelines barring trans women from playing women’s contact rugby due to “player welfare risks.”

www.nbcnews.com

& it has had some press locally:

Why transgender participation in Australian rugby matters

Rugby's international governing body has recommended non-cisgender participants be banned from competing in the women's game, leaving some fearing it will damage its reputation as an inclusive sport.

www.sbs.com.au

As an outsider in the Union game I have to smile when considering the discussion about the male game at junior level being played not on age grouping, but on weight, as a result of kids physical development being relevant

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Its happening overseas now.

Oh yeah, it's rife. Women's footy is so lucrative that it's totally worth lopping your knob off for.

 

[Kwality]

Oh yeah, it's rife. Women's footy is so lucrative that it's totally worth lopping your knob off for.

Does money come into it?

 

[quotemokc]

If this was ever allowed we would end up getting women suing the AFL when they inevitably get injured playing against biological men.