Rumour Jon Patton
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Not at all, i'm saying you shouldn't pretend to be personally offended or impacted.
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No they're not in the same stratosphere of power imbalance, but there is still a power imbalance. There is still a huge power disparity between men and women with male on female DV being far more serious and commonplace than female on male DV, sexual assaults by men (on women) far and away outnumbering female sexual assaults on men, rape being an almost exclusive male offence, workplace sexual harassment being almost exclusively male on female etc.
Men are overwhelmingly outnumbering women in positions of power, high paying jobs political appointments etc. We only really let them work for the same pay and vote fairly recently FFS.
You cant ignore that context when assessing the impact of actions (words or acts) that take place within that context.
Even if you were to ignore the historical disenfranchisement of women, the glass ceiling, the patriarchy of blokes in power, and the male tendency towards violence and our generally much higher physical strength to women, and only take into account the vastly higher rates of male on female sexual assaults and rapes, then that context alone places the statement of 'an unsolicited dick pick to a woman, is the same thing as an unsolicited tit pick to a bloke' squarely in the realms of 'nah, they're not the same thing, and only an ignorant flog would even try and argue an equivalence'
Plus not every occasion of speaking up is the correct way of going about things. If Patton ended himself from embarrassment then i'd wonder how she would feel, and whether her time in the inspirational validation sun would all of a sudden be worth it. Would she still be happy to use him as an 'example' to the rest of society?
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You're actually arguing that getting clocked by Mike Tyson in his prime is the 'exact same thing' as getting clocked by a 90 year old invalid grandmother?
Yeah, I'm not going to debate with you anymore, because if you cant see how you're wrong already nothing I can say will convince you otherwise.
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That's some good sociological stuff, no doubt.
But what's your point here?
No one should punch anyone. It doesn't suddenly become OK when it's a woman whacking a larger man. Especially when you take in to account that there could be retaliation.
If I walked up to peak Mike Tyson and punched him, I'd be pretty comfortable in saying that it wouldn't end well for me unless Mike was feeling particularly charitable. If a woman walks up and takes a free swing at a bloke, why shouldn't she cop a hit back for behaving like a flog?
Even if the aesthetics of the pecker or the bloke in general didn't excite the female, she deep down is bathing in validation over the fact that someone is frothing over her. That is exactly how a woman's mind works no point denying it.
Fair enough.
Although if you are an empathetic person, it's not unusual to take offence at someone else being treated poorly.
fair point. But in this case, the insta girl in questions interview ironaically turned into a moral crusade against sl** shaming and justifying only fans. Stinks of an agenda/self benefit.
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You certainly don't
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No, thats not how it works, an only incels and creeps think it works that way.
I agree. I never said it was OK (and it's not OK for a black dude to racially abuse a white dude either), I just said that an unsolicited dick pic to a woman, and a nude from a chick to a dude aren't the same thing because they lack the same context.
Neither are OK, but due to context one is worse in the same way that a bloke getting sexually harassed on a dark street on his way home from the pub by a smaller woman, isn't the same thing as a woman copping the same harassment from a larger bloke.
Has our victim in Pattons case not retaliated?
This thread wouldnt exist if she just copped it sweet.
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She / they have. Hopefully he's learnt a good life lesson here.
These (the below) aren't the same thing. People keep trying to equate them, but this idea that men should be grateful to receive a nude from a girl is mostly a social thing. Neither way is OK, and in most cases, I'd guess that there's no imminent physical threat accompanying the photo to drastically shift some kind of power balance.
The only reason street harassment is drastically different is that there's generally a physical imbalance where for - most - men you're unlikely to feel physically intimidated by the woman no matter how aggressive, insistent, rude or in your face they get. Still not OK when they do it though, yet, as a society we're willing to completely write off poor behaviour like that when it comes from women.
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Now put yourself in the shoes of a woman who's lived with this imbalance her whole life, and has dealt with dozens of creeps, sleazes and aggressive, insistent and rude blokes in everything from the workplace to the pub, while living in a society where male on female rape and sexual assault vastly outnumbers female on male sexual assault and rape.
It's quite possible she's thinking 's**t, does this creep know where I live?"
Its just not the same thing as a bloke getting an unsolicited nude pic from a woman. Im not saying either is OK, just that they exist in totally different contexts.
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Like; I often like to walk around the city at night alone to clear my head.
I dont really want to speak for women, but those I have spoken to about walking the city at night, tell me that when women do that, many are genuinely terrified that every bloke they walk past is going to rape them, which is not a fear that I (as a man) have.
There is a reason for that, and its not down to 'skittish women'. It's due to women constantly dealing with aggressive creepy blokes.
I dont really want to speak for women, but those I have spoken to about walking the city at night, tell me that when women do that, many are genuinely terrified that every bloke they walk past is going to rape them, which is not a fear that I (as a man) have.
There is a reason for that, and its not down to 'skittish women'. It's due to women constantly dealing with aggressive creepy blokes.
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Which beach?
Asking on behalf of media censors.
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Lots of blokes are scared that gay blokes will try to rape them
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Hello.
Have you ever considered that maybe you shouldn't walk around at night so that women feel more safe to do so themselves?
What if the grandmother hit him with something other than her fists? The actual damage done is the problem, not who did it.
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Sounds like you're carrying a lot of guilt around.
