Unsolved The Beaumont Children

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tues, it seems you are on here to argue for the views of mullins and co, which is kind of ok, i guess, as for me i am CERTAIN phipps did not take the children, despite two digs at castalloy, as per directions from mullins' alleged witnesses who dug a hole for phipps around the time, it has yielded nothing, to say the actual burial site could be elsewhere, either at castalloy or somewhere else, seems to me to be just mullins in deluded denial, i ask again - if phipps took the beaumont children can you please also explain how he took the adelaide oval girls 7 years later ...
 

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tues, it seems you are on here to argue for the views of mullins and co, which is kind of ok, i guess, as for me i am CERTAIN phipps did not take the children, despite two digs at castalloy, as per directions from mullins' alleged witnesses who dug a hole for phipps around the time, it has yielded nothing, to say the actual burial site could be elsewhere, either at castalloy or somewhere else, seems to me to be just mullins in deluded denial, i ask again - if phipps took the beaumont children can you please also explain how he took the adelaide oval girls 7 years later ...
I'm merely stating the obvious - Harry Phipps was a deviant pedophile who frequented the beach as he lived only up the road and most likely befriended the kids on one of their many previous trips to that beach during those summer holidays. I never said he abducted the Adelaide oval kids as well, don't think he did that at all. Doing those digs at the Castalloy factory was a bit bizarre seeing as many areas are now concrete car parks or have been built over and sadly I don't think those 3 little kids are ever going to be found - they could have been put into the large furnace the factory used for it's manufacturing :disrelieved: It is obvious they were taken by someone they knew and had trust in.
 
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The thing is just how detailed were the descriptions given by witnesses/ And where/when did the suspect morph into a young blonde guy about 18 or so? I think because of his deviant pastimes, his sexual fetish for wearing satin dresses, his accessibility to the beach and the location of his house being only 200 metres from the reserve which would be about the distance the little boy could have walked I guess...means and motive,
Harry Phipps did fit the description of the man seen with the Beaumont children at Colley Reserve Glenelg.
At a stretch - but many men alsao fit the description
The man at the beach was wearing blue swimmers with a white stripe down either side. The colours of the Henley Beach Surf Life Saving Club five kilometres away.A Club his teenage son sailed at in 1966.
Munro also had a similar pair in photos of the time ie standard fare for the mid 60s
Harry Phipps was 48 years old in 1966, however many that knew him in the early to mid-1960s described Harry Phipps as looking much younger than his years.
At a stretch - the photo I provided does not support this
Harry Phipps was a regular swimmer at Glenelg beach.
He lived 190 metres in direct view of Colley reserve.
He lived 200 metres from Wenzel’s bakery .
Yep
Harry Phipps was known to give out pound notes in the 1950s until the mid-1960s. Jane Beaumont was last seen buying a large lunch with a pound note.A pound note her mother did not give Jane
A statement that is useless without the Wenzel bakery employee who - from all evidence provided - only gave 1 year later
He had an overwhelming satin fetish. Making his own satin dresses. When wearing Satin he would become sexually aroused.
Harry Phipps was well known attending a private gentlemen’s club in the Adelaide CBD; with like-minded men dressing as women.
Several Castalloy workers that were employed at the factory in the 1960s and 1970s stated Harry Phipps and ” others ” would congregate on some weekends in the factory cafeteria dressed women’s clothing.
Are you trans- shaming? All trans people are deviants? And therefore sex offenders? Whether its 1965 or 2021 this is a stupid premise to pin murder on a person
His own son accuses Harry of sexually abusing him over many years. Statement analysis experts believe Haydn Phipps is being truthful.
In late 2017 a lady comes forward with a similar story. Allegedly sexually abused by Harry Phipps in the 1970s when she was a 14 year old school girl. This occurred across from his Castalloy factory. A factory she lived close to. Note: Statement analysis expert state she is telling the truth
As a note - the use of statement analysis is only a guide not evidence . I have used it myself to dig deeper into peoples statements but I wont use it as my primary focus

Studies have raised serious questions and concerns about the validity of CBCA for assessing the credibility of children's testimonies. One study using 114 children showed that CBCA scores were higher for the group of children describing a familiar event compared to the group of children describing an unfamiliar event.[8] The potential influence of familiarity on CBCA scores raises concerns about the validity of the tool for assessing credibility in children.

It has also been noted that the error rate of CBCA in the laboratory is high, that the error rate of SVA in practice is unknown and that the methodology continues to be disputed among the scientific community.[9] In conclusion, there is still great controversy surrounding the use of the SVA and many studies have investigated its core component, the CBCA, in order to determine its validity and reliability. More research is needed to conclude whether or not the information obtained from these tests should be admissible in court.


Mullins and Hayes were contacted in late 2018 by an individual who alleges they were sexually abused by Harry Phipps.This individual appears very truthful. Some facts they stated resonate strongly with both. Bill Hayes is following this line of investigation.
A retired senior member of the South Australian clergy was sexually abused as an alter boy in the early 1950s . Stated he knew of Harry Phipps in pedophilic circles.
What? No statement analysis here?

Mullins and co - and you by extension or are 1 of these 2 - have built a tissue house.

Hayden Phipps was indeed abused - I have no doubt - what I do doubt are the claims he makes around the Beaumont children - his father has been accused of many things - yet nothing has been found apart from a liking for wearing womens clothes.

It needs more
 

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At a stretch - but many men alsao fit the descriptionMunro also had a similar pair in photos of the time ie standard fare for the mid 60s
At a stretch - the photo I provided does not support this
Yep
A statement that is useless without the Wenzel bakery employee who - from all evidence provided - only gave 1 year later
Are you trans- shaming? All trans people are deviants? And therefore sex offenders? Whether its 1965 or 2021 this is a stupid premise to pin murder on a person
As a note - the use of statement analysis is only a guide not evidence . I have used it myself to dig deeper into peoples statements but I wont use it as my primary focus

Studies have raised serious questions and concerns about the validity of CBCA for assessing the credibility of children's testimonies. One study using 114 children showed that CBCA scores were higher for the group of children describing a familiar event compared to the group of children describing an unfamiliar event.[8] The potential influence of familiarity on CBCA scores raises concerns about the validity of the tool for assessing credibility in children.

It has also been noted that the error rate of CBCA in the laboratory is high, that the error rate of SVA in practice is unknown and that the methodology continues to be disputed among the scientific community.[9] In conclusion, there is still great controversy surrounding the use of the SVA and many studies have investigated its core component, the CBCA, in order to determine its validity and reliability. More research is needed to conclude whether or not the information obtained from these tests should be admissible in court.



What? No statement analysis here?

Mullins and co - and you by extension or are 1 of these 2 - have built a tissue house.

Hayden Phipps was indeed abused - I have no doubt - what I do doubt are the claims he makes around the Beaumont children - his father has been accused of many things - yet nothing has been found apart from a liking for wearing womens clothes.

It needs more
At a stretch - but many men alsao fit the descriptionMunro also had a similar pair in photos of the time ie standard fare for the mid 60s
Munro was not 35-40 years old in 1966.
A statement that is useless without the Wenzel bakery employee who - from all evidence provided - only gave 1 year later
Also there is not one witness statement claiming the children went into the bakery with a man or was there a man waiting for them outside - maybe Phipps was at home sewing and Munro or Max McIntyre gave them a one pound note and said they will wait for them in the car :rolleyes:
Are you trans- shaming? All trans people are deviants? And therefore sex offenders?
FFS! As stated that was copied from 'the Satin man' website- and merely implies (to me anyway) that Phipps liked to cross dress and socialise with like minded male friends. Are you implying that all sex offenders are murderers?
As a note - the use of statement analysis is only a guide not evidence . I have used it myself to dig deeper into peoples statements but I wont use it as my primary focus
The profiler in question is Steve Van Aperen widely known as the human lie detector, a former Victorian cop who has helped solve many cases in Australia and also worked with the FBI several times and clearly claimed Haydon was telling the truth BUT he was holding back, he knew much more.
Mullins and co - and you by extension or are 1 of these 2 - have built a tissue house.
I have been merely pointing out the fact Phipps is a far more likely suspect than claims made 40 odd years after those kids vanished and their parents lived a daily life of hell that bodies were seen in a car boot (or in a house or in a garage depending on which version is being told) and Munro and Max McIntyre did it (seems Max also murdered Louise Bell, Richard Kelvin and hundreds of others according to a couple of his own children who had memory recall therapy) Me? Being a extension of Mullins and Co? Does that go for every person who mentions Harry Phipps or are you merely having a go at me for posting? The only connection I have of sorts with 'Mullins' would be the fact Steve Van Aperen is a friend of mine.
And yes,I do agree with your last comment - it DOES need more, a lot more.
 

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At a stretch - but many men alsao fit the descriptionMunro also had a similar pair in photos of the time ie standard fare for the mid 60s
Munro was not 35-40 years old in 1966.
A statement that is useless without the Wenzel bakery employee who - from all evidence provided - only gave 1 year later
Also there is not one witness statement claiming the children went into the bakery with a man or was there a man waiting for them outside - maybe Phipps was at home sewing and Munro or Max McIntyre gave them a one pound note and said they will wait for them in the car :rolleyes:
Are you trans- shaming? All trans people are deviants? And therefore sex offenders?
FFS! As stated that was copied from 'the Satin man' website- and merely implies (to me anyway) that Phipps liked to cross dress and socialise with like minded male friends. Are you implying that all sex offenders are murderers?
As a note - the use of statement analysis is only a guide not evidence . I have used it myself to dig deeper into peoples statements but I wont use it as my primary focus
The profiler in question is Steve Van Aperen widely known as the human lie detector, a former Victorian cop who has helped solve many cases in Australia and also worked with the FBI several times and clearly claimed Haydon was telling the truth BUT he was holding back, he knew much more.
Mullins and co - and you by extension or are 1 of these 2 - have built a tissue house.
I have been merely pointing out the fact Phipps is a far more likely suspect than claims made 40 odd years after those kids vanished and their parents lived a daily life of hell that bodies were seen in a car boot (or in a house or in a garage depending on which version is being told) and Munro and Max McIntyre did it (seems Max also murdered Louise Bell, Richard Kelvin and hundreds of others according to a couple of his own children who had memory recall therapy) Me? Being a extension of Mullins and Co? Does that go for every person who mentions Harry Phipps or are you merely having a go at me for posting? The only connection I have of sorts with 'Mullins' would be the fact Steve Van Aperen is a friend of mine.
And yes,I do agree with your last comment - it DOES need more, a lot more.

I once Liked Philpps for the BC abductions. A few things swayed me from that theory.
I think he would have been easily recognised by the locals.
If he was bad as they say, he would have been associated with loitering around the change rooms etc. Also attempted grooming of some kind
Im not sure the residents made any observations of that nature about him.

Lastly, Hayden made the claim they were shot, he heard four shots. This he stated in his interview with the researcher.
Although the researcher appears to prompt him in the interview.
Four shots rang out in suburban Glenelg and there's no police reports or mentions of shots fired??
The Phipps theory is all to convenient for my liking.
 

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I once Liked Philpps for the BC abductions. A few things swayed me from that theory.
I think he would have been easily recognised by the locals.
If he was bad as they say, he would have been associated with loitering around the change rooms etc. Also attempted grooming of some kind
Im not sure the residents made any observations of that nature about him.

Lastly, Hayden made the claim they were shot, he heard four shots. This he stated in his interview with the researcher.
Although the researcher appears to prompt him in the interview.
Four shots rang out in suburban Glenelg and there's no police reports or mentions of shots fired??
The Phipps theory is all to convenient for my liking.
Yes, it is very convenient putting Phipps in the frame for it but compared to all other 'suspects' he does seem to stand out as the most likely, whoever it was must have been a local and groomed the kids over the many days they went to the beach until he had their trust and friendship 100%...I even wondered if Phipps had forced Haydon to do the grooming and that was who Arrna meant was Jane's 'boyfriend at the beach' but he would have been too young. I don't think the same person took the oval girls because they were not groomed, that was a hasty at this moment abduction, very similar to Derick Percy's demeanor and audacity but of course Percy was in jail by then.one thing I do know is that I would like to see laws changed so these pedophile pieces of vermin were sent to research labs and replaced the poor animals currently used for research (a win win I reckon, frees the animals and uses two legged animals for drug research which is supposed to be eventually for humans....I wonder if a petition was made would anyone sign it)
 

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I don't know why there are outstanding cold case murders in South Australia, I mean didn't a couple of disgruntled siblings claim their father is responsible for hundreds of SA murders? Conspiracies', sacrifices, sinkholes and wells, hidden caves and tunnels, in fact I think Rachel is writing a book "Rachel and the cave of a thousand skulls" :p
I feel for the police who have to put up with all this rubbish that has been put out there. What the siblings don’t seem to understand is police have looked into there claims but there is no evidence that these things ever happened. As for the house at macklin street it has been looked at by police and again no evidence.
 

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Who do you think was responsible for abducting the kids, Charlie?"
i will not name that person in a public forum, only people whose only objective is to write, promote, and sell books do that, the satin man disguised phipps as "hank" and had it remained that way, well, all may still be well, but no, mullins and co have to name him publicly, go to media, enlist useful idiot politicians, and behave in a totally arrogant fashion for the past 7 years, raising public and family and police hopes, shutting down or blocking anyone who questions them, and then have the temerity to suggest phipps also did adelaide oval, it makes my blood boil, again - HOW did phipps do adelaide oval? police believe its the same man, the ages match up, i believe its the same man, and its not phipps ...
 

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adelaide is a small place, relatively speaking, and certainly between the 60s and 90s it was a lot smaller than it is now, for decades we have heard about "the family" and this group of felons have long been associated with at least 5 brutal murders of young men/boys in the 70s and 80s, we have someone in jail for some, perhaps all, of those crimes, he wont speak out, so it remains unclear who else was involved, we only know bits and pieces of info, initials, suburbs/parts of town, various pick up places and places where bodies were found, but i believe there is a link here, to think that crimes such as the beaumont abduction in the 60s, the oval abduction in the 70s, the family murders, louise bell and michael black, and several other lesser known cases throughout those years, couldve all been done by entirely different people is, imo, perhaps not logical
 

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adelaide is a small place, relatively speaking, and certainly between the 60s and 90s it was a lot smaller than it is now, for decades we have heard about "the family" and this group of felons have long been associated with at least 5 brutal murders of young men/boys in the 70s and 80s, we have someone in jail for some, perhaps all, of those crimes, he wont speak out, so it remains unclear who else was involved, we only know bits and pieces of info, initials, suburbs/parts of town, various pick up places and places where bodies were found, but i believe there is a link here, to think that crimes such as the beaumont abduction in the 60s, the oval abduction in the 70s, the family murders, louise bell and michael black, and several other lesser known cases throughout those years, couldve all been done by entirely different people is, imo, perhaps not logical

To put your observation back at you, is there a logical reason to link all of them or any of them considering what we know?

Dieter Pfennig was arrested and charged with Michael Black's murder. Decades later he was forensically linked to Louise Bell's abduction (and by logical extension her murder). There's an indisputable scientific link. So we know who committed those crimes.

Bevan von Einem was forensically linked to Richard Kelvin's murder by carpet fibres from his home as well as black dyed hairs matching his. He's also a prime suspect in 4 unsolved murders of males aged 14 to 25. Other key suspects are Mr R (clock shop owner), Mr B (former male prostitute), Dr Stephen Woodards, numerous transsexuals and hairdresser Denis St Denis. But they main unifying feature is that overwhelmingly these were men who were into other men and whose victim type was teenagers and young adults. To me I see no reason to believe they deviated from that victim type.

Linking the Beaumont Children and Adelaide Oval is a possibility. Those crimes involved victims of similar ages and apart from Grant Beaumont were all girls. That's the strongest case for a link. However, those victims are so different from Pfennig's and The Family's that I can't see anyone involved in either of those crimes having abducted young children
 
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but i believe there is a link here, to think that crimes such as the beaumont abduction in the 60s, the oval abduction in the 70s, the family murders, louise bell and michael black, and several other lesser known cases throughout those years, couldve all been done by entirely different people is, imo, perhaps not logical
At least you managed to partly answer my question from the other thread - at least obscurely

I understand your reluctance to name names or at least a name - but the only ''family'' that fits the above is Stanley Hart - scion of the Marshall family - another person accused by family members of abuse and large scale murder

But you speak of logic - yet it is entirely logical the murders could have been done by different people - as noted there are people forensically linked to 3 murders. Unless you are willing to step things out - all it is is a whisper in the wind and has no substance

adelaide is a small place, relatively speaking, and certainly between the 60s and 90s it was a lot smaller than it is now,
I have mused on this exact same point the last few days

If asked to list suspects for the Beaumont case - as an example - an interstate person makes ''logical'' sense based on this small town observation. ie in any small town everybody knows at least a snippet of something - that there is a relative mystery surrounding the Beaumont case is suggestive of an outsider

As noted Phipps becomes less and less likely just based on his ''recognition factor'' . Granted this can obscure a lot of things but not 3 kids with him the day 3 go missing

Take out the Pound note (from a year later) and the Phipps house of cards crumbles and all you are left is a grubby accusation based on 'deviancy'
 

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As noted Phipps becomes less and less likely just based on his ''recognition factor'' . Granted this can obscure a lot of things but not 3 kids with him the day 3 go missing
Take out the Pound note (from a year later) and the Phipps house of cards crumbles and all you are left is a grubby accusation based on 'deviancy'
But how reliable is the recognition factor? The reason why I question this is because of the vast amount of wrongful convictions in Australia which were based on incorrect witness descriptions. In this case how reliable were witness accounts- how many kids similar in appearance were at the beach with their father that day for example, just guessing I would assume there were kids running rampant that day. Then there is the 'alleged' witness account made by Smith whose recollected seems to have been altered to be more defined in accusing the Tony Munro/Max McIntyre saga for example the first account claimed the kids were with 3 men but later that statement morphed into a description indicating a young Munro right down to wearing 'European style designer swimmers' :rolleyes: I've got no idea on this Mullins person apart from the Satin man and because I still think it was someone who lived nearby and who befriended those kids, groomed them daily (they went to the beach almost every day apparently during those school holidays) Phipps OR a associate was that prick who gained the kids trust completely and lured them to a nearby house. Someone local who didn't have to work during those holidays which also could point to he being a school teacher hence Jane taking her book 'Little Women' to impress, who either lived very close by or had access to a house close by.
 
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January 26 2021. Today marks 56 long years since the Beaumont children were abducted. Will the truthful facts revealing who was responsible ever emerge? Yes it will because we will NEVER forget these little kids, we will NEVER give up on them.

Be at peace little ones, thinking of you often.
 
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If the hard investigative work has been done, I have no issue with books. The market, which is still there will rank them and royalties paid accordingly.

Given rewards of up to $1m are on offer for information that goes towards a conviction in many cold case crimes now, the books are small fry.
I also have no issue with books, in fact I embrace them. Authors of true crime books do the hard yards, they do what journalists don't do - complete research, their book will have a list pertaining to the facts revealed during their research and write the truth, not just hearsay or their own opinions which is another thing journalists don't do. I embrace their dedication in seeking the truth and giving us a insight to things we would otherwise have no clue about.
 

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To put your observation back at you, is there a logical reason to link all of them or any of them considering what we know?

Dieter Pfennig was arrested and charged with Michael Black's murder. Decades later he was forensically linked to Louise Bell's abduction (and by logical extension her murder). There's an indisputable scientific link. So we know who committed those crimes.

Bevan von Einem was forensically linked to Richard Kelvin's murder by carpet fibres from his home as well as black dyed hairs matching his. He's also a prime suspect in 4 unsolved murders of males aged 14 to 25. Other key suspects are Mr R (clock shop owner), Mr B (former male prostitute), Dr Stephen Woodards, numerous transsexuals and hairdresser Denis St Denis. But they main unifying feature is that overwhelmingly these were men who were into other men and whose victim type was teenagers and young adults. To me I see no reason to believe they deviated from that victim type.

Linking the Beaumont Children and Adelaide Oval is a possibility. Those crimes involved victims of similar ages and apart from Grant Beaumont were all girls. That's the strongest case for a link. However, those victims are so different from Pfennig's and The Family's that I can't see anyone involved in either of those crimes having abducted young children
ok, lets start with dp, yes he was arrested and charged with michael black's murder, and then later linked to louise bell, but there is no logcal extension to murder, THEIR BODIES HAVE NOT BEEN FOUND, they are technically still missing person cases, imo they are dead, but - pfenning denies killing either victim, and claims he doesnt know where they are (buried, were held, etc), most recently he tried to claim the germanic origin dna on louise's pj proved the culprit was the same man who attempted to kill the backpackers in the south east a few years back (i forget his name)

i will jump ahead to the beaumont, adelaide oval, family link, my explanation - group evolution, preferences do not necessarily remain static, for example, a group might start out by torturing and killing small animals, then later move onto small children, then teenagers, then young adults, and so forth
 

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I have always believed that the "pound note" evidence has been the biggest hinderance to solving/progressing this case. For goodness sakes, this is just one statement from ONE PERSON in an incredibly busy bakery where hundreds of adults and children were served every day in holiday season! Just look at all the kerfuffle and speculation this has caused for 50 years. I don't believe the pound note stuff ever happened.
Why has there been so much credibility given to just one 'witness' and why has this been allowed to remain an undisputed 'fact' and the basis of investigations for so long?

I am firm in my belief the Beaumont children and the Ratcliffe and Gordon children were taken by the same person.
 

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i will jump ahead to the beaumont, adelaide oval, family link, my explanation - group evolution, preferences do not necessarily remain static, for example, a group might start out by torturing and killing small animals, then later move onto small children, then teenagers, then young adults, and so forth

I agree victim profiles can change. However, even if The Family had started out with much younger victims, I'm still struggling to believe that gay men wouldn't target boys in that scenario and not a group of 2 girls and 1 boy and later 2 girls.

The other thing is the suspects in the Family murders don't fit the descriptions of either the Beaumont suspect or the Adelaide Oval suspect, both of whom were middle aged and in the Beaumonts' case had fair hair.

Bevan von Einem, the one man charged with a Family murder, was 19 at the time. He had also been involved in a car accident and the trauma from it caused his hair to go prematurely grey/white, something he covered up by dyeing his hair. His mugshot shows him with almost jet black hair that later reverted to grey by the time of his trial. Presumably von Einem had dark hair as a youngster and dyed his hair a similar dark colour for however long he was dyeing it for. A 19 year old with obviously dyed dark hair wouldn't be mistaken for a middle aged man with fair hair. Even if von Einem dyed his hair lighter at the time, you're unlikely to mistake a 19 year old for someone late 30s/early 40s.

As for the others, Mr R's age is uncertain but he's roughly the same age as von Einem and I've heard some say slightly younger. I've never seen a photo of him or read a physical description but again you'd be unlikely to mistake an 18/19 year old for a middle aged man. Dr Woodards was 16 so even less likely to be mistaken for a middle aged man. And Mr B definitely couldn't be involved as he was born in the same year as Jane Beaumont.

SAPOL are very confident they know the major players in the Family murders and they're all way too young to be the man seen with the Beaumont children on that day. The only tenuous link SAPOL have is a story Mr B told them about von Einem confessing his involvement but given police believe Mr B's testimony on the murders is heavily altered to remove his own involvement, you can't really place any trust in a word he says
 

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I have always believed that the "pound note" evidence has been the biggest hinderance to solving/progressing this case. For goodness sakes, this is just one statement from ONE PERSON in an incredibly busy bakery where hundreds of adults and children were served every day in holiday season! Just look at all the kerfuffle and speculation this has caused for 50 years. I don't believe the pound note stuff ever happened.
Why has there been so much credibility given to just one 'witness' and why has this been allowed to remain an undisputed 'fact' and the basis of investigations for so long?

I am firm in my belief the Beaumont children and the Ratcliffe and Gordon children were taken by the same person.
Once the statment was made Police needed to follow up the report. Interview her a few days later and see if the story changed. Lead her on a bit, "did you see the 13 year old boy with the BC kids"? If she she said yes!!, then its possible she was making it up. In a way helping her produce her own narrative.
Who knows? there may have been many other sightings that day, many that place the kids at a different location. The sightings obviously havnt come to light yet!
 
For Example: All links in article work.

Not only was his article misleading, in that it headlined there was a new clue in the 50yo AO abductions when there wasn't but it pushed a current huge story on the embezzlement of the Victims of Crime fund out of the way to effectively bury it.

The big story on the current event of theft out of the fund just happened to be investigative crime writer Nigel Hunt's.
 

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After the children left the shop, no one saw them get into a car
or walk home to Somerton Park, and the bus driver did not see
them on his bus that afternoon. As the police later observed, it
was as if they’d ‘disappeared into thin air’.
What about the postie, did he ever get his sighting time correct?
 

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not sure if this has been posted before. but it has a photo of the police report card
saying they left their home 8.45am, also has a photo of where they were last seen.
 
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