A decent woman should sort him out.
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A decent woman should sort him out.
Criminal! If you have to raise the hyperbole to that level to justify the club's actions that should cause a rethink.Given his first 2 issues were criminal matters I'd say they fall outside of that particular jurisdiction.
The 3rd one was just plain dumb, even if he didn't take anything. That alone shows you he doesn't have a great deal of intelligence or dedication.
In many workplaces 3 criminal acts in 12 months would be enough to cost you a job. He's EXTREMELY lucky he still has one.
A club in the position we find ourselves in just can't afford these constant issues. We're doing the right thing off field by removing underperforming staff, if the penny doesn't drop for a guy in his 5th year on a list it never will.
Campo was on ABC Radio today suggesting part of him being away from the club was to show him the position he could be in if he doesn't work hard to get back onto the list and what he's risking by continuing his behaviour.The issue is not so much his drug use, but that he clearly does not have the dedication to be an elite footballer.
Classic missing of the point by you again, how the **** are you a mod ??Criminal! If you have to raise the hyperbole to that level to justify the club's actions that should cause a rethink.
DUI = criminal
Setting fire to an orphanage = criminal
Yeah you're right, we can't have Pablo Escobar at the club. I stand correctedClassic missing of the point by you again, how the **** are you a mod ??
He was caught by the police in a drug deal, its a criminal matter. If that were you and me we'd more than likely been sacked on the spot after a 2nd incident in 12 months.
It's useless engaging in this discussion with you as you're devoid of rational thought. You're a hypocrite of the highest order.
Are you going to at least try and have a real talk, or are you going to remain juvenile ??Yeah you're right, we can't have Pablo Escobar at the club. I stand corrected
If he avoids the death penalty for his crimes he may be able to eke out a career in the amateur league
There's three bits to meAre you going to at least try and have a real talk, or are you going to remain juvenile ??
You want a good club culture, yet you don't see what Tyson has done as contributing to a bad one. You're right, we don't want 45 David Mackay's but if we had 45 Tyson Stengles we'd be a worse playing group than we are now.
I thought he wasn't even charged by the police when he got picked up with Brad.He was caught by the police in a drug deal, its a criminal matter. If that were you and me we'd more than likely been sacked on the spot after a 2nd incident in 12 months.
Cautioned I thinkI thought he wasn't even charged by the police when he got picked up with Brad.
Do you think Stengle has the mental fortitude to succeed at AFL level?There's three bits to me
First, I don't think what he's done is that bad.
Second, I think he's good at football and that most of our other players are average, below average or were good but are now winding down.
Third, I think good clubs are able to improve the standards and behaviours of their players through strong leadership and culture.
The arguments in this thread stem from people thinking some (or all) of the following:
He's a criminal
He's not that good at football and/or we have heaps of other good players
Good culture means getting rid of anyone who causes problems
To justify spouting these opinions people:
Exaggerate his crimes
Talk down his ability
And the absolute kicker - indirectly blame him in part for our poor culture by claiming that as we want to improve our culture, we therefore have to get rid of him
The problem with the first bit is that the AFL don't see it that way. They think it is bad, at least that's their public stance particularly on DUI. They're just a bit more understanding than Joe Public. FWIW I don't believe it's THAT bad either. I'm not a drug user, and I'm very careful with my alcohol consumption these days.There's three bits to me
First, I don't think what he's done is that bad.
Second, I think he's good at football and that most of our other players are average, below average or were good but are now winding down.
Third, I think good clubs are able to improve the standards and behaviours of their players through strong leadership and culture.
The arguments in this thread stem from people thinking some (or all) of the following:
He's a criminal
He's not that good at football and/or we have heaps of other good players
Good culture means getting rid of anyone who causes problems
To justify spouting these opinions people:
Exaggerate his crimes
Talk down his ability
And the absolute kicker - indirectly blame him in part for our poor culture by claiming that as we want to improve our culture, we therefore have to get rid of him
So has that been our problem do you think? Stengle and players like Stengle misbehaving?As far as your "kicker" goes, he is a shining example of poor culture at a club. He's a well underperforming player with a history of finding trouble.
He's an example, certainly not the only one. I've NEVER said that.So has that been our problem do you think? Stengle and players like Stengle misbehaving?
Is that why Dunstall was called in to conduct a review and we over-hauled our off-field structure, including appointing a brand new manager whose specific focus is Culture?
Or is Stengle absolutely nothing to do with our club's culture issues whatsoever?
He's not an exampleHe's an example, certainly not the only one. I've NEVER said that.
There are set penalties for what he's done. Caution, strike. Those are the penalties the laws apply.You don't want him to be responsible for his actions ?? He's 23 and has been in the AFL system for 5 years, we can't wipe his arse for him forever.
Our main problem was we got Birdbrained.So has that been our problem do you think? Stengle and players like Stengle misbehaving?
Is that why Dunstall was called in to conduct a review and we over-hauled our off-field structure, including appointing a brand new manager whose specific focus is Culture?
Or is Stengle absolutely nothing to do with our club's culture issues whatsoever?
His issues were there before Eddie left, hell his issues are why Richmond let him walk, don't be so naive.He's not an example
He was nothing to do with why we had the review
Nothing to do with any failings uncovered
His off-field problems are a complete side issue
Except that they perhaps highlight a lack of leadership. That his problems arose after Betts left should raise some alarm bells internally at the club. Was Eddie providing something that our club doesn't? I'd be investigating that rather than kicking Stengle out.
There are set penalties for what he's done. Caution, strike. Those are the penalties the laws apply.
Has off-field discipline been the major problem at the club?Our main problem was we got Birdbrained.
However, keeping players who have 3 fu**-ups in just over a year doesn't improve the culture of a club... as it sends a message to players you can do whatever you want & there will be little consequences.
By your logic Dustin Martin and Lance Franklin are examples of poor cultureHis issues were there before Eddie left, hell his issues are why Richmond let him walk, don't be so naive.
To say he's not an example of poor culture is laughable at best. It's either that or he's a total moron, and that would be harsh.
Hypocrisy thy name is Carl Spackler.
No... I answered that in the post you quoted!Has off-field discipline been the major problem at the club?
Poor comparisons, as the likes of Dusty have professional training standards so he can dominate on field.By your logic Dustin Martin and Lance Franklin are examples of poor culture
Luke Hodge too
Dustin Martin was all but out of Richmond before he pleaded to stay.By your logic Dustin Martin and Lance Franklin are examples of poor culture
Luke Hodge too
Classic missing of the point by you again, how the **** are you a mod ??
He was caught by the police in a drug deal, its a criminal matter. If that were you and me we'd more than likely been sacked on the spot after a 2nd incident in 12 months.
It's useless engaging in this discussion with you as you're devoid of rational thought. You're a hypocrite of the highest order.
Clearly Stengle is a consumer not a dealer.he was caught by the police buying drugs. The way you push the event you’re leaving open whether he’s a dealer or a consumer. That’s shameful stuff.