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FFS, its always about ******* Richmond isnt it?
Opinion What unpopular AFL opinions do you have? - Part 2
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I know, I coached him in cricket.
You don't kick 20 in a game if you can't footy, sorry.
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I am presuming this must have been at junior level, because to be frank he never really fired a shot in the AFl across 2 clubs
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He was 14 at the time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Hartung_(footballer).
I agree, but some people for whatever reason just don't mesh well with something they enjoy becoming something they're paid to do. Was lightning quick, but that isn't all he was.
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Wasn't Hartung's old man a serious problem and caused issues at both clubs?
I don’t like potting players or ex players but my god Hartung drove me insane... soft as butter, panicked any time he had the ball with someone within 50 meters but yep running was elite.
Yep the stereo typical athletes parent.
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It was his dad who let him down. Didn't he stamp Billy's papers at both Hawthorn and North?
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Oh someone posted that like 2 hours ago lol
I would have said it was a very cheap marketing exercise. The marketing required to replicate what the AFLW has achieved would cost an absolute bomb, if it could be done at all.
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It's not an exercise, it's an investment. In the first season of the AFL, women went from 30% of all Australian football participation to 40%. If the AFL can get women participating in Australian rules football over rugby (especially in QLD/NSW), it goes a long way to cementing the sport as Australia's premier football code for the future.
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'Good use of the body'
'Push in the back'
Even our MRP/MRO/tribunal decisions are all over the place and they aren't split second decisions.
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But it's an opinion and this is an opinion thread. If you said there is rampant racism in every club that's not backed up either.
The AFL industry is pretty outspoken on racism. If someone peanut in the crowd says something to a player or some internet hero posts banana/monkey emojis on a social media post there is always a strong response.
Personally I find it hard to believe that racism is a big issue within the AFL and the clubs. 7.5m people attended AFL games in 2019, and 700-800 players participated in the season. How many incidents of racism were there? One? None? a handful? I reckon there is more racism outside the AFL than in it. Again just my opinion, but particularly with indigenous players the representation is high and the contribution of indigenous players to the sport is regularly celebrated. How many people can say they work with 40 other people and have half a dozen indigenous colleagues? I doubt most of the private school-Oakleigh/Sandringham NAB League players had indigenous teammates until they were drafted.
Obviously your interpretation of 'a cheap marketing exercise' differs from mine - as I would be happy to learn what other sporting organisations in the World spend $14 million/year supporting and promoting a 12 week competition that generates zero profit...?
As pointed out above it is an investment not an exercise.
Think the league was well aware it was not going to be generating a profit at this stage.
And its one of the few things i can think of that the big league has done in forever that has actually really helped the game at grass roots level.
Perth could support 3 teams if they all started at once but probably wouldn't get off the ground they way things are now.
I think Canberra could support a team eventually but would need a bit more population growth (say 10 years at current rates). I've lived there for 10 years and it's not quite as raiders centric as people think.
I think Canberra could support a team eventually but would need a bit more population growth (say 10 years at current rates). I've lived there for 10 years and it's not quite as raiders centric as people think.
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A third team in Perth creates scheduling headaches for the AFL.
I know ground sharing doesn't really occur in Qld/NSW but the beauty of the current system is the AFL only need to schedule one game a week in each of Qld, NSW, WA and SA. If you added a team in Perth you'd go from 22 games in 23/24 weeks at Optus Stadium to 33, which would probably see each WA team playing 13 games in WA instead of 12 and 27 teams needing to travel to WA instead of 20.
What would end up happening is low drawing Vic clubs would end up playing more home games against the new Perth (or wherever) side because the AFL won't want to sacrifice cash cow fixtures in Melbourne.
I know ground sharing doesn't really occur in Qld/NSW but the beauty of the current system is the AFL only need to schedule one game a week in each of Qld, NSW, WA and SA. If you added a team in Perth you'd go from 22 games in 23/24 weeks at Optus Stadium to 33, which would probably see each WA team playing 13 games in WA instead of 12 and 27 teams needing to travel to WA instead of 20.
What would end up happening is low drawing Vic clubs would end up playing more home games against the new Perth (or wherever) side because the AFL won't want to sacrifice cash cow fixtures in Melbourne.
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If there was a Canberra team, do you think people would drive in from all around the region for game day? Would it get support from say 2-3 hours around Canberra?
It would be epic if they tried to setup like an American college team with tailgating etc
Lets unpack this.
First, as is the case with everybody that raises the `waah, waah, it costs to much, it doesn't make a profit`. It was ever intended to make a profit. At no stage has the AFL ever set, or even suggested, that profit was a goal in establishing the AFLW. It was justified as an investment in growth. It was justified on the basis that the AFL itself is a not for profit organisation, that has set itself up as both a giant vacuum, sucking up all the cash in Australian football, and as the custodian of the game. Add those 2 things together, and it couldn't in all conscience, remain out of womens football.
Second, when determining that the AFLW cost the AFL $14 million to run, what value did you assume the 24 listed AFLW sponsors bring to the table? How about the 14 Carlton lists, or the 8 Collingwood lists? How about West Coast? they only list 7, but that includes BHP that seems to have gone in hard, and I have heard they have deep pockets?
If we assume each club has 7 AFLW sponsors (I cant be bothered checking each club), thats 98 club sponsors, plus the 24 for the league itself.
Thats 122 AFLW sponsors, that you seemed to have assigned a value of $0 dollars to. I am curious what the basis of this is?
How about the $150K+ of AFLW members packages sold by just West Coast?
Third, If the AFL was finding the AFLW to be an unjustified financial burden, COVID gave them the perfect out, and they didn't even blink. They not only didn't drop the value of player payments, they haven't stopped or even delayed, the already negotiated increases.
The reason for this is, AFLW gave them what it was intended to give, and the net cost of running the league (whatever that is, but it isn't $14 mill), is something they seem willing to keep paying.
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I assume they would. Tailgating wouldn't work if the games were played at Manuka, the parking is atrocious.
Tailgating works if you've got a stadium in the middle of nowhere with a massive parking lot and nothing better to do. I'd prefer to keep it central with less parking, lots of public transport and pubs, cafes, eateries to go to.
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Yep I agree, if Richmond would thrash a team almost two decades ago then at the very least the other contenders probably would too.
You need to expand your view to the benefits the AFLW brings to the greater community.
Your community.
ANYTHING that promotes female participation in sport should be supported and celebrated.
Go out and have a look at the uptake in female participation at the junior level, there‘s huge upward trajectory.
Do you know why?
It’s because young girls can now aspire to play football at a developing elite level well in to their adult lives.
An opportunity that wasn’t afforded to them until recently.
The AFLW competition, and competitions like them, allow them that dream, and this can only be a good thing.
The physical and mental benefits alone outweigh and any type of “investment“ made.
It’s tunnel visioned, shortsighted, and quite simply sexist to judge the success or viability of the competition on how “profitable“ it is.
Go and ask your mother, your sister, your wife, your daughter, or your granddaughter what they think. Hopefully this can provide you with a semblance of balance.
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