Play Nice Random Chat Thread V

[Kangaroos4eva]

Actually my oath was to Queen Elizabeth II, hers heirs and successors.

Neither Morrison's name, nor the PM at the time in Malcolm Frazer's name appear anywhere on the document.

But hey, tell me what I apparently don't know, it is refreshing.

Can verify the Queen part. Did the same when I swore the oath.

 

[B4Bear]

Fourth woman makes complaint about former staffer who allegedly raped Brittany Higgins - ABC News

Same guy. Serial rapist offender who was protected so it would not come to light before the last federal election.

 

[DesertRoo]

Actually my oath was to Queen Elizabeth II, hers heirs and successors.

Neither Morrison's name, nor the PM at the time in Malcolm Frazer's name appear anywhere on the document.

But hey, tell me what I apparently don't know, it is refreshing.

Well well well, the plot thickens are the beefeaters aware that you’re a closet socialist?

 

[B4Bear]

Well well well, the plot thickens are the beefeaters aware that you’re a closet socialist?

My comrades will never dob me in.

 

[The Warlord]

 

[The Warlord]

Hilarious thing is the most socialist group ever in Western society were the soldiers of WWII

Have a look what they and their families did as soon as the war was won.

Voted in the most socialist governments in Australian, British and US history.

The NHS, GI Bills, Snow Hydro, Chifley tried to introduce universal healthcare here but the scab AMA blocked it, but he got us the Pharmacuetical Benefits Scheme as a consolation.

The right wing scum like Ben Roberts Smith are new.

The great Australian soldiers of Kokoda, Ekl Alamein etc were socialists lol.

 

[DesertRoo]

Hilarious thing is the most socialist group ever in Western society were the soldiers of WWII

Have a look what they and their families did as soon as the war was won.

Voted in the most socialist governments in Australian, British and US history.

The NHS, GI Bills, Snow Hydro, Chifley tried to introduce universal healthcare here but the scab AMA blocked it, but he got us the Pharmacuetical Benefits Scheme as a consolation.

The right wing scum like Ben Roberts Smith are new.

The great Australian soldiers of Kokoda, Ekl Alamein etc were socialists lol.

I can’t remember fully but wasn’t the Victorian education system one of the first in the world to be built around the same values nonsecular and free for all?

 

[The Warlord]

I can’t remember fully but wasn’t the Victorian education system one of the first in the world to be built around the same values nonsecular and free for all?

Yep.

Victoria also home of the eight hour a day.

 

[DesertRoo]

Yep.

Victoria also home of the eight hour a day.

I’m starting a hat company MVGA

 

[Royal Flush]

Can anyone explain what sort of socialism they want in australia and how that would look?

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[Kangaroos4eva]

Hilarious thing is the most socialist group ever in Western society were the soldiers of WWII

Have a look what they and their families did as soon as the war was won.

Voted in the most socialist governments in Australian, British and US history.

The NHS, GI Bills, Snow Hydro, Chifley tried to introduce universal healthcare here but the scab AMA blocked it, but he got us the Pharmacuetical Benefits Scheme as a consolation.

The right wing scum like Ben Roberts Smith are new.

The great Australian soldiers of Kokoda, Ekl Alamein etc were socialists lol.

I wouldn’t say Chifley was a socialist. More of a left-wing nationalist than a proper socialist.

His involvement with Empire defence and commonwealth cooperation with the joint project, including nuclear collaboration discussions, also showed a tendency to favour the monarchy.

 

[DesertRoo]

Can anyone explain what sort of socialism they want in australia and how that would look?

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I think it’s just generally called a fair go..
Gifted kids who can get into uni shouldnt have to worry about paying back debt for ten years or people who are sick shouldn’t have a fear of going broke.
Most aspects of socialism already s exist in Australia, America needs to fight for them..we need to fight to keep them.
we shouldn’t be following the yanks lead of billionaires profit above all else model.

 

[Royal Flush]

Excuse my ignorance but we have that in place in australia?

I think it’s just generally called a fair go..
Gifted kids who can get into uni shouldnt have to worry about paying back debt for ten years or people who are sick shouldn’t have a fear of going broke.
Most aspects of socialism already s exist in Australia, America needs to fight for them..we need to fight to keep them.
we shouldn’t be following the yanks lead of billionaires profit above all else model.

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[DesertRoo]

Excuse my ignorance but we have that in place in australia?


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Yes, we need to fight to keep it thou..
MVGA

 

[B4Bear]

Can anyone explain what sort of socialism they want in australia and how that would look?

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A strong social safety net for all.

Increased resources for public education, public health and transportation systems.

Removal of lobbyists in perpetuity from the halls of power.

Removal of the loopholes that allow billions in tax to not be paid, consequently meaning the PAYE suckers have to foot that bill.

Potentially a universal basic income if the numbers stack up. But one that is more than the pittance the dole pays of $40 per day.

Re-invest in manufacturing that we have outsourced overseas. Bring back the car industry, it was the driver (no pun) of the skills and training we lack today.

Incentivise companies to train their own work force (tax breaks maybe?) instead of dodgy visas tha tkeep younger Australians out of training and employment opportunities.

Just off the top of my head.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Actually my oath was to Queen Elizabeth II, hers heirs and successors.

Neither Morrison's name, nor the PM at the time in Malcolm Frazer's name appear anywhere on the document.

Yes, Queen Elizabeth II, hers heirs and successors in her role as Queen of Australia, and nothing short of a constitutional crisis makes her go against ScoMo's wishes to send you off to any number of wars. The Crown has never nullified such an action.

But hey, tell me what I apparently don't know, it is refreshing.

Will you take pride in wearing ScoMo's medal?

 

[Snake_Baker]

Can anyone explain what sort of socialism they want in australia and how that would look?

The one with unicorns, harp music & free foot rubs for everyone.

 

[Swallow_Wood]

Can anyone explain what sort of socialism they want in australia and how that would look?

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Australia is a bloody fantastic country and quite socialist in comparison to the US. I would really hate to see us move any closer to their example though and would support the closing of taxation loopholes for multinational corporations and those earning over say $200k and who have significant wealth generating assets.

With an increase in taxation income I would want our nation to ensure that all of its population have in perpetuity:

Access to nutritionally viable food at a cost that does not dissuade participation for the economically disadvantaged.
Access to housing at a cost that does not dissuade participation for the economically disadvantaged.
Access to free education through to end of high school which can provide students with the capacity to participate in further education if they so desire.
Access to further education at a cost that does not dissuade participation for the economically disadvantaged.
Access to health care at a cost that does not prevent participation for the economically disadvantaged.
Access to utilities at a cost that does not prevent participation for the economically disadvantaged.

We should also be using this taxation for nation building projects that can employ significant numbers of people and pay them at a reasonable rate.

 

[DesertRoo]

The one with unicorns, harp music & free foot rubs for everyone.

If we stopped the OS tax routs, held people in position of power accountable.
chopped contracts for the boys out.
There strangely is enough wealth in Australia to support to above programmes..


one of the best decisions .gov has made is trying to create a generation of engineers. If Australia were smart we’d head to an automated future..

 

[Snake_Baker]

If we stopped the OS tax routs, held people in position of power accountable.
chopped contracts for the boys out.
There strangely is enough wealth in Australia to support to above programmes..


one of the best decisions .gov has made is trying to create a generation of engineers. If Australia were smart we’d head to an automated future..

Absolutely x2

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Excuse my ignorance but we have that in place in australia?


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We mostly do as we have tried to balance social democracy with free market growth. Most socialists want to tilt the listed programs further and generally increase the size of the welfare state. It is generally assumed that higher business taxes and taxing of the ultra wealthy will achieve their aims. A critic may argue that it would kill growth, the major job providers and productivity, but that’s another discussion.

One that hasn’t been mentioned is the nationalisation of key industries and resources, which has been a consistent socialist staple for a long time.

Then there’s foreign policy, military policy, etc., that would be shifted as a result. In Australia, this has often manifested itself in a form of Australian-lead internationalism, instead of political realism.

We could be here all week discussing the merit and disadvantages of it all.

 

[Themanbun]

. If Australia were smart we’d head to an automated future..

This was the basis for a lot of western world social democrats in their vision towards a transition to socialism, including many in the UK Labour and presumably Australian iterations. They eventually lost out to the labourists (work for the sake of work) and of course went head first into confrontation with unions, whose primary objective is to secure jobs and working conditions, with little regard for automation.

I would propose for Australia the gradualism outlined by GDH Cole as early as the 1920s and 1930s, with the gradual shift towards highly automated and publicly owned essential industries and resources and then administering the unused surplus ('profit') of said entities and resource industries via a social dividend, so that way displaced workers wouldn't be losing out entirely to the productive capacity increased by automation. If successful most people would probably support gradual increases in the breadth and coverage of nationalised industries as it would mean an increase in social dividends, but it could be dialled up and dialled down depending upon how it was working. The goal would be to out compete the private sector and gain market share through productivity, rather than to just regulate them out of existence.
Increasing the dividends would also allow people to scale down working hours lost due to automation with a minimal hip pocket impact.

You could then seek to balance major national industries with market industries for genuinely innovative consumer wants.

Until the unions get on board, and as much as I appreciate them broadly for what they do, I doubt they would, then I can't see it happening.

 

[Royal Flush]

Australia is a bloody fantastic country and quite socialist in comparison to the US. I would really hate to see us move any closer to their example though and would support the closing of taxation loopholes for multinational corporations and those earning over say $200k and who have significant wealth generating assets.

FIFO earns $200k circa. He's already paying 70k in tax.
Not sure how youve grouped a aussie working class sector (as an example) with Multinational corporations and having similiar access to taxation loop holes.

That will always casuse friction and resistance.
I think Thats where shorten got it so wrong, he attacked the aspirational australians, both the middle class and upper class with the one sledge hammer.


I agree 100%, Government needs to go hard at the corporations dodging tax.
I agree we should look after our sick, vulnerable and elderley.

 

[Themanbun]

FIFO earns $200k circa. He's already paying 70k in tax.
Not sure how youve grouped a aussie working class sector (as an example) with Multinational corporations and having similiar access to taxation loop holes.

That will always casuse friction and resistance.
I think Thats where shorten got it so wrong, he attacked the aspirational australians, both the middle class and upper class with the one sledge hammer.


I agree 100%, Government needs to go hard at the corporations dodging tax.
I agree we should look after our sick, vulnerable and elderley.

Unfortunately a lot of modern leftist economics has lost touch with relationship to the means of production. It is more so welfare capitalism than socialism.

The compromise welfare capitalists made was taxes on earnings which then cultivated an obsession with income. This means that the FIFO worker already getting hammered at a higher tax rate than businesses is seen as someone who should be targeted for redistribution of wealth...despite him selling his labour for another to profit.

I'd much rather focus on ownership. Is the guy who doesn't work but owns ten houses and making $150k a year via a company purely through that ownership deserving of 18 per cent lower marginal tax rate than the FIFO worker doing tonnes of overtime and getting $200k a year (which his employer still makes profit on)? In my opinion, no.

 

[Royal Flush]

A strong social safety net for all.

Increased resources for public education, public health and transportation systems.

Removal of lobbyists in perpetuity from the halls of power.

Removal of the loopholes that allow billions in tax to not be paid, consequently meaning the PAYE suckers have to foot that bill.

Potentially a universal basic income if the numbers stack up. But one that is more than the pittance the dole pays of $40 per day.

Re-invest in manufacturing that we have outsourced overseas. Bring back the car industry, it was the driver (no pun) of the skills and training we lack today.

Incentivise companies to train their own work force (tax breaks maybe?) instead of dodgy visas tha tkeep younger Australians out of training and employment opportunities.

Just off the top of my head.

Id love for the aussie car industry to come back. I love aussie muscle cars, but I dont think theyll ever come back.