New Brisbane Stadium (2032 Olympics)

[GCS in 11]

With Brisbane having been awarded preferred city status and most likely confirmed to be the 2032 Olympics hosts in July, I thought it’d be good to start a discussion on Brisbane Olympic Stadium which is currently the 1st option to host the ceremonies and athletics (the GABBA and Carrara are alternatives also being discussed).

The current proposal calls for a 50,000 seat venue just north east of the CBD. It’s a bit hard to figure out the exact site but that is probably still up in the air along with designs and costing. As much as I love the Gabba and how central it is, it is landlocked into a tiny area with part of the stands hanging off over the road so a new location is needed really.



For the AFL this would be a massive bonus with the Lions getting a brand new state of the art stadium that won’t be too large and can allow them to grow considerably. And the Gabba will be available throughout construction so there’ll be no disruption to the AFL or cricket seasons leading up to 2032.

 

[acm21]

So from what this essentially says, if they do build a new stadium in the north, the GABBA's days are numbered. With Lang park hosting the football sports we can assume that they will upgrade the venue, which will likely be needed anyway. If metricon is to be used you can imagine that the afl would be pushing for both the GABBA and metricon to get upgrades (But one may only be possible)

 

[Johnny Bananas]

The current proposal calls for a 50,000 seat venue just north east of the CBD. It’s a bit hard to figure out the exact site but that is probably still up in the air along with designs and costing.

The map in your post seems to have it at Albion Park Paceway. It's not directly on a railway line, and given how much effort the government have gone to in order to bring a station to the Gabba, I can't see them relying on buses alone for an even bigger stadium. They could put a train station on the other side of Breakfast Creek and link it via pedestrian bridge, but that's still a 500m walk away, which isn't great for anyone with mobility issues. Or they could build a short rail spur to the stadium, but that seems a little wasteful without extending it further, and the suburbs east of the stadium are notoriously snobby so I can't see them quietly accepting rail line construction.

But this is just a provisional map, they clearly haven't made a firm decision. I think the best solution would be building the stadium on the site of the Mayne Rail Yards instead, which is pretty cut off from the surrounding community so there won't be a huge amount of impact and disruption. The rail yards themselves could be relocated near the airport.

 

[The Victorian]

So from what this essentially says, if they do build a new stadium in the north, the GABBA's days are numbered. With Lang park hosting the football sports we can assume that they will upgrade the venue, which will likely be needed anyway. If metricon is to be used you can imagine that the afl would be pushing for both the GABBA and metricon to get upgrades (But one may only be possible)

From an AFL perspective and more so as a Suns member, we should be pushing for Metricon to be included.

from experience, the commonwealth games transport wasn’t too good at all. Hopefully the following improves access, facilities and transport around the venue if the games are held at Metricon.
- Light Rail or heavy rail stations at the venues doorstep
- much awaited ferry service to become a reality
- finishing the final stage of the stadium bowl with a permanent increase in capacity
- more open concourse
- pubs/venues around the stadium to be able to do for a feed or drink pre/post game
- parking and bus pick up service to be better included into the stadium area- not having to walk over a main road from the bus stop

 

[acm21]

From an AFL perspective and more so as a Suns member, we should be pushing for Metricon to be included.

from experience, the commonwealth games transport wasn’t too good at all. Hopefully the following improves access, facilities and transport around the venue if the games are held at Metricon.
- Light Rail or heavy rail stations at the venues doorstep
- much awaited ferry service to become a reality
- finishing the final stage of the stadium bowl with a permanent increase in capacity
- more open concourse
- pubs/venues around the stadium to be able to do for a feed or drink pre/post game
- parking and bus pick up service to be better included into the stadium area- not having to walk over a main road from the bus stop

It feels like they are not going to build anything unless they have to and it is able to be used post olympics. imo, unless they decide to turn the gabba into a queensland cricket training ground or something to that affect (similar to the waca, although they do have AB Fields) its unlikely to build a new stadium; cant see the lions and cricket having there own stadiums at either side of the city, with suncrorp still being used).

I hope Metricon is used and all those that you listed do occur, seems the most likely occurance at this point in time.

 

[Hawkk]

The Courier Mail has more detail about the proposal (now on the ABC site as well)

Premier flags possible new stadium to be built for Brisbane Olympics 2032

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk flags a new venue may be built to host the opening and closing ceremonies of the 2032 Olympics and Paralympics if the region secures the Games.

www.abc.net.au

The proposal includes a new stadium over the Albion Park Raceway for the athletics (approx. 50,000 seats)

I personally think the Bowen Hills rail yards would be a better site but either would be within walking distance of Alan Border Field, the site of the Australian Cricket Academy and would be an ideal site for a cricket / football ground.

The GABBA is now on the cross-river rail line and its days as a sporting ground could be numbered (it's now in the heart of the residential development zone)

 

[acm21]

The GABBA is now on the cross-river rail line and its days as a sporting ground could be numbered (it's now in the heart of the residential development zone)

All but guaranteed if they do build the olympic stadium.

 

[Hawkk]

All but guaranteed if they do build the olympic stadium.

Perhaps the AFL will throw some coin at the State Government to convert it to an AFL Stadium after the Olympics (ala Homebush after 2000)

The future for cricket and football in Brisbane is not the GABBA - there is simply no further room to expand

 

[Ned_Flanders]

The GABBA location always made it a tough one to stay there and preserve the history, but like Perth, this is a golden opportunity to evolve to something special

Will be great for Brissy to have a truly first class stadium

 

[Johnny Bananas]

It feels like they are not going to build anything unless they have to and it is able to be used post olympics. imo, unless they decide to turn the gabba into a queensland cricket training ground or something to that affect (similar to the waca, although they do have AB Fields) its unlikely to build a new stadium; cant see the lions and cricket having there own stadiums at either side of the city, with suncrorp still being used).

If a new stadium is built it will indeed be a Perth-like set up, with the Lions, BBL and international cricket moved to the new stadium and another field used for the Shield and training. I think Allan Border Field would be ideal for the Shield, and it'd be a waste to keep the Gabba purely for those purposes, considering its location.

There are a lot of benefits to removing the Gabba. You could expand the park that's on one side and the school that's on the other. While the stadium is a big drawcard to the local economy, the future presence of a large train station means plenty of people will be moving into apartments in the area anyway. They'll survive without the stadium.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

If there is to be a new stadium built, surely the GABBA stays.

 

[Hawkk]

If there is to be a new stadium built, surely the GABBA stays.

Why?

With the new cross river rail station it is absolutely prime real estate and well suited to a SEQ master plan which pushes for rapid population growth in the inner south / east.

A new stadium will aid Queensland’s bid to keep the Ashes / Indian test matches and aid the Lions bid to keep up with the other afl clubs.

A large share of the Lions fan base (old Reds fans) are based in the inner northern and western suburbs which will be better serviced by a Bowen Hills / Albion Park train station anyway.

It could be a win / win / win for the state government, cricket and the AFL

 

[acm21]

If there is to be a new stadium built, surely the GABBA stays.

There would be no reason for the stadium to stay in its own right. Under the build 7 plan, they will be upgrading suncorp and building an athletics based Olympic stadium. The only real post Olympics use would be cricket and afl. The only way to keep the gabba in some form is the Perth example, but Brisbane has alan border field which plays the same role as the waca.

 

[its been done]

I wouldn't be surprised if one or all three of the NRL bids for the 2nd Brisbane team wants to use the Olympic Stadium after the games instead of playing home games at Suncorp, Ipswich or Redcliffe and have it converted to a 30,000 or so seat stadium in the post Olympic renovation

 

[acm21]

I wouldn't be surprised if one or all three of the NRL bids for the 2nd Brisbane team wants to use the Olympic Stadium after the games instead of playing home games at Suncorp, Ipswich or Redcliffe and have it converted to a 30,000 or so seat stadium in the post Olympic renovation

Arent Ipswich and Redcliffe quite separate from Brisbane itself? Might be better for them to be in those regions.

It's all hypothetical at this stage.

 

[The Victorian]

I wouldn't be surprised if one or all three of the NRL bids for the 2nd Brisbane team wants to use the Olympic Stadium after the games instead of playing home games at Suncorp, Ipswich or Redcliffe and have it converted to a 30,000 or so seat stadium in the post Olympic renovation

Yes Brisbane Bombers or Easts Bid

 

[The Victorian]

Something little I came up with if they wanted to modernise and redevelop QSAC. The only problem is the location.

 

[Teen Wolf]

I was thinking something more like...



...except with palm trees instead of those extremely un-Queenslandery Moreton Bay figs.

Horseshoe style seems a no-brainer to me, and not just because it's the easiest way to turn it into a football/cricket stadium after the Games are completed. Biggest lesson from the Gabba has to be about future expandability. 50,000 with a whole open end left to build up, that's your city's coliseum for 100 years and beyond.

There would be no reason for the stadium to stay in its own right. Under the build 7 plan, they will be upgrading suncorp and building an athletics based Olympic stadium. The only real post Olympics use would be cricket and afl. The only way to keep the gabba in some form is the Perth example, but Brisbane has alan border field which plays the same role as the waca.

Plus, even though the WACA stayed, Subiaco was still demolished. As was Football Park and Waverley. But I guess there's always the disastrous Homebush blueprint that could be followed.

 

[Hawkk]

I wouldn't be surprised if one or all three of the NRL bids for the 2nd Brisbane team wants to use the Olympic Stadium after the games instead of playing home games at Suncorp, Ipswich or Redcliffe and have it converted to a 30,000 or so seat stadium in the post Olympic renovation

Wouldn’t happen.

Stadiums Qld owns Lang Park. The whole point of the second nrl bid is to play close to weekly at Lang Park.

Its all a bit moot though given the Broncos can barely attract 30,000 to games (and the 2nd team will draw less than half that).

An oval is the main game for Stadiums Qld if they are to protect test matches, international T20’s and rebuild the lions (who have averaged about 25,000 at the Gabba since 1997)

 

[Hawkk]

Something little I came up with if they wanted to modernise and redevelop QSAC. The only problem is the location.

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Funnily enough the ill-fated 1992 Olympic Bid centred around Nathan, Chandler and Boondal - in the southern, northern and eastern fringes of Brisbane.

The push back then was urban sprawl and recycling all the commonwealth games venues.

When the Lord Mayor announced the bid for 2028 (back in 2015) the push was to use the games to modernise the city and promote Brisbane as the next world city.

The best way to do that is to activate under-utilised city space (ie Roma Street Parklands and the Victoria Park golf links) hence the push for the Brisbane Live site (which will replace the entertainment centre at boondal) and the Victoria Park Vision (in the inner north)

Combine that with Brisbane Metro, the Cross River Rail and the new casino development on George Street and you have the makings of a vibrant city.

Harvey Lister who manages a lot of Queensland stadium assets (Brisbane Entertainment Centre, Brisbane Convention Centre and Lang Park) has thrown his weight behind the Brisbane Live site (which I note was included in the proposed venues along with the State Tennis Centre in the inner south)

I can see the push to have a new stadium inner metro area pretty compelling - especially if the Olympic village is placed in Hamilton.

The only obstacle to Albion Park (or the Bowen Hills rail yards for that matter) is the traffic gridlock and the high likelihood of flooding during a king tide or rain event.

That said, if the state sold off the Gabba and QE2 for mixed use redevelopment they would have a massive war chest to build new state of the art facilities in time for 2032.

 

[The Victorian]

Funnily enough the ill-fated 1992 Olympic Bid centred around Nathan, Chandler and Boondal - in the southern, northern and eastern fringes of Brisbane.

The push back then was urban sprawl and recycling all the commonwealth games venues.

When the Lord Mayor announced the bid for 2028 (back in 2015) the push was to use the games to modernise the city and promote Brisbane as the next world city.

The best way to do that is to activate under-utilised city space (ie Roma Street Parklands and the Victoria Park golf links) hence the push for the Brisbane Live site (which will replace the entertainment centre at boondal) and the Victoria Park Vision (in the inner north)

Combine that with Brisbane Metro, the Cross River Rail and the new casino development on George Street and you have the makings of a vibrant city.

Harvey Lister who manages a lot of Queensland stadium assets (Brisbane Entertainment Centre, Brisbane Convention Centre and Lang Park) has thrown his weight behind the Brisbane Live site (which I note was included in the proposed venues along with the State Tennis Centre in the inner south)

I can see the push to have a new stadium inner metro area pretty compelling - especially if the Olympic village is placed in Hamilton.

The only obstacle to Albion Park (or the Bowen Hills rail yards for that matter) is the traffic gridlock and the high likelihood of flooding during a king tide or rain event.

That said, if the state sold off the Gabba and QE2 for mixed use redevelopment they would have a massive war chest to build new state of the art facilities in time for 2032.

Yeah I know QSAC is very unlikely and it makes sense to have most of the venues near the city to really showcase Brisbane to the world. Even the failed push for the 2006 Commonwealth Games which went to Melbourne had QSAC as the main venue.

this video below is very interesting

 

[acm21]

Yeah I know QSAC is very unlikely and it makes sense to have most of the venues near the city to really showcase Brisbane to the world. Even the failed push for the 2006 Commonwealth Games which went to Melbourne had QSAC as the main venue.

this video below is very interesting

They are billing it as south East Queensland, so have a lot of wiggle room. It seems like it is 2 new permanent grounds, and if we need them here are 5 other potentials.

 

[Pippen94]

What happens when lions drop to bottom of table?? They'll have to pay for 65k stadium with 15k crowd.

Any large stadium will be rectangular. Athletics doesn't need to be in main stadium.

 

[The Victorian]

What happens when lions drop to bottom of table?? They'll have to pay for 65k stadium with 15k crowd.

Any large stadium will be rectangular. Athletics doesn't need to be in main stadium.

Yeah but if you have a circular stadium you can have rectangular sports AND cricket/football

 

[acm21]

Yeah but if you have a circular stadium you can have rectangular sports AND cricket/football

Rectangle and circular can be difficult to manage. So many complaints about anz and marvel.