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Copied the from round 1 Thread as advised to get the on right topic thread from adogsfan5 post. Absolutely amazing how anyone can say Dan has done a good job. I guess people just support their political party rather than looking at the facts. Swap their political parties I would not care less Dan just does not stack up and has let his state down the facts are indisputable.
NSW received nearly 3.5 times returned travellers, yet nearly 25% of the cases and 6% of the deaths of Victoria.
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Copied the from round 1 Thread as advised to get the on right topic thread from adogsfan5 post. Absolutely amazing how anyone can say Dan has done a good job. I guess people just support their political party rather than looking at the facts. Swap their political parties I would not care less Dan just does not stack up and has let his state down the facts are indisputable.
NSW received nearly 3.5 times returned travellers, yet nearly 25% of the cases and 6% of the deaths of Victoria.
Not exactly a fair comparison...There were months there where VIC weren't taking overseas arrivals. And their respective outbreaks were different in that VIC's second-wave was mostly within a low socio-economic group where the infected were from large family homes working multiple jobs...Many states learned from VIC's second wave - where there was much resistance for a 'go hard, go early' lockdown approach in the early days of VIC's second wave, it is now accepted as the right approach (reference Adelaide, Brisbane, Perth, Sydney and Melbourne's short immediate lockdowns since).
Sounds very sensible.Interesting listen this morning to coronacast. It’s all to do with the vaccine roll out and why we should follow the NZ model for vaccinating guards with the Pzifer vaccine, as it reduces transmission. Also the guards families and close contacts.... then use the other vaccines for ages care.
It all makes sense.
Coronacast with Tegan Taylor and Dr Norman Swan - ABC listen
Coronacast answers your questions about coronavirus. We break down the latest news and research to help you understand how the world is living through a pandemic.abclisten.page.link
Also, Norman suggests that we get overseas Australians vaccinated with the pzifer vaccine, so that they can come home and not need to be quarantined in a hotel. Worth the listen.
Once again nobody is arguing that Victoria did well in letting the virus escape Hotel Quarantine but treating it like a simple arithmetic exercise is simplistic and - with many people - just a case of cynical political barracking.View attachment 1067141
Copied the from round 1 Thread as advised to get the on right topic thread from adogsfan5 post. Absolutely amazing how anyone can say Dan has done a good job. I guess people just support their political party rather than looking at the facts. Swap their political parties I would not care less Dan just does not stack up and has let his state down the facts are indisputable.
NSW received nearly 3.5 times returned travellers, yet nearly 25% of the cases and 6% of the deaths of Victoria.
It never got into nursing homes in other states, apart from a smaller number in NSW, early on. But go on, blame the feds for Victoria’s failings.
Here it comes. Poor reading comprehension, simplistic arguments and mis-quoting.Anyone absolving the Victorian government for aged care deaths because 'that's the fed's responsibility' is getting cause and effect confused. The deaths were due to poor hotel quarantine management. If hotel quarantine was handled correctly, no massive spike in aged care deaths.
But as time went on, a major weakness emerged: residential aged care homes. There have been just over 2000 cases of COVID-19 in residential aged care in Australia. Of the 904 deaths from COVID-19 in the country at the time of writing, 682 have been in aged care homes, mostly in the state of Victoria. That 75% of the country's deaths have occurred in such facilities gives Australia one of the highest rates worldwide of deaths in residential aged care as a percentage of total deaths. It has left families grieving and experts angry that their pleas to reform the sector had long been ignored.
“Homer Simpson could have seen the catastrophe in aged care coming with COVID-19 because it was there in your face”, said Professor Joseph Ibrahim, head of the Health Law and Ageing Research Unit at Monash University (Melbourne, VIC, Australia) and an expert witness at Australia's Royal Commission into Aged Care Quality and Safety. “All I know is that you can't accept things as they are, because they're not right.”
In 1997, the Australian Government transformed the system under the Aged Care Act into a free-market model that was, in Ibrahim's words, “ill-conceived and never worked”. Transforming the model of care meant that aged care and health care would be treated as two different separate industries. As a result, private investment into aged care was able to flourish, which, experts say, turned people from patients into consumers.
“Back then, aged care was criticised as too institutional, so it was packaged as a social model of care whereby you don't need regulation”, said Kathy Eagar, professor of health services research and director of the Australian Health Services Research Institute at the University of Wollongong (Wollongong, NSW, Australia). “On that basis, they deregulated staff. By packaging residential aged care as social care, it dumbed down the care and created the perfect storm. This has been a disaster waiting to happen.” Eagar says that, by turning aged care into social care, the sector has been able to justify not having good infection prevention and control measures, sufficient staff ratios, and adequately trained staff.
“The system is not fit for purpose. When you have a system that doesn't even require a nurse to be on the premises then the whole thing is going to be a disaster… The pendulum has swung too far”, she said.
In 2011, the full funding and policy responsibility for aged care in Australia moved from the state and territory level to the federal government. Today, the sector represents a multibillion-dollar industry that is predominantly publicly funded but largely outsourced to the private sector. Experts say that the pandemic has brought to light systemic problems arising from such a policy.
“I don't think anything has gone wrong per se—it was already wrong”, Ibrahim said. “There were not enough workers to start with; the workforce that exists doesn't have the training for a contemporary aged care system. They're not equipped to manage disease complexity and they're not equipped to deal with ethical human rights issues. So, then COVID-19 arrives and there are not enough staff, staff who don't know what they're doing, staff who haven't been trained in infection control.”
Not only were residents infected, but hundreds of low-paid, low-skill workers in the homes were infected too. “If you depend on a low-paid casual workforce who go from home to home, then you can expect COVID-19 to just spread, which is exactly what has happened in Victoria”, Eagar said. “COVID-19 is now a major occupational safety and health risk.”
State-run aged care—which operates under the Safe Patient Care Act 2015, which enshrines in law minimum numbers of nurses and midwives to care for patients—has recorded very few COVID-19 cases and no deaths. Private facilities have no such quotas.
“Private providers don't necessarily care about aged care—they care about making a profit”, said Sarah Russell, public health researcher and aged care advocate.
As the Royal Commission continued into 2020, it turned its focus towards the worsening situation with COVID-19 in the aged care system. “This is the worst disaster that is still unfolding before my eyes in my entire career…There was a level of apathy, a lack of urgency and an attitude of futility which lead to absence of action”, Ibrahim told the Royal Commission in early August.
In a special report published in early October, the Royal Commission found that the government's attempt to prepare the aged care sector for COVID-19 was “insufficient”. The Commission made six recommendations, which include calling on the federal government to establish a detailed national aged care plan for COVID-19 (it has repeatedly denied that it did not have a plan) and to deploy infection control experts into nursing homes as a condition of accreditation.
The report also describes infection prevention and control measures in facilities as “deplorable”. “We heard of workers being told they could only use one glove rather than two, and a guideline at a residential aged care facility that only permitted two masks per shift”, the two commissioners, Tony Pagone and Lynelle Briggs, wrote.
Anyone absolving the Victorian government for aged care deaths because 'that's the fed's responsibility' is getting cause and effect confused. The deaths were due to poor hotel quarantine management. If hotel quarantine was handled correctly, no massive spike in aged care deaths.
The death certificates of those that died in the age care facilities were signed long before the virus broke out.
I agree, the incompetence of both the state and federal government is shameful.
I agree, the incompetence of both the state and federal government is shameful.
And yet only Victoria had such tragic outcomes.
Not in state run aged care. Only fed run. How’s that possible?
Feds run it in every other state also, no? The difference is no other state bungled the hotel quarantine as badly as Victoria.
Victoria found itself the victim of federal and state incompetence. A deadly combo.