Mega Thread Non-Freo AFL Discussion

[serial_thrilla]

Hagdorn is reporting that the Rioli ban decision will be announced today.
2 years backdated, so he'll be available to play later this year.



Soft.

 

[Lach72]

Meh I don't mind.

2 years for rec drugs is more than enough

 

[serial_thrilla]

Meh I don't mind.

2 years for rec drugs is more than enough

He intentionally tried to cheat the system and submitted a false sample. The deception was worse than the actual positive result.

 

[theGav56]

Meh I don't mind.

2 years for rec drugs is more than enough

Tampering with evidence?

 

[Taylor]

It was tampering with evidence and a positive test which was rolled into the first charge.

His career might already have been lost, getting back to playing condition especially if he has been using that custom hookah a bit, is going to be the sort of story hour long features on 7 are made of. And I hope he does.

 

[mike91]

Hagdorn is reporting that the Rioli ban decision will be announced today.
2 years backdated, so he'll be available to play later this year.



Soft.

Beyond a joke. Disgrace

 

[Wilksyy]

There’s been such a hearts and minds
campaign by our media people actually
feel sorry for poor Willie. He shouldn’t be able to play at all this year.

 

[dont bowl there]

Didn’t he end up submitting a test the same day that showed cannabis? He’s an idiot but not a drug cheat, two years out is a fair outcome imo.

 

[Mesc]

We are proud with what you have overcome

 

[Sully90]

Any punishment between 2 and 4 years would have been fair. I think you can argue one way or the other over how serious the offence is.

Those I've talked to who have a bit of insight into the situation (ie my cousin's boyfriend's dog's former roommate) say there's very little chance that we see Rioli back playing AFL again unfortunately. It will take at least a year to get back to AFL level conditioning for him.

 

[DanWA]

Hagdorn is reporting that the Rioli ban decision will be announced today.
2 years backdated, so he'll be available to play later this year.



Soft.

Essendon players got caught being apart of a doping regime and only got 1 year

 

[Taylor]

Essendon players got caught being apart of a doping regime and only got 1 year

I think both represent a 50% reduction in ban period from the rules as they stood at the time.

 

[Yeti]

There’s been such a hearts and minds
campaign by our media people actually
feel sorry for poor Willie. He shouldn’t be able to play at all this year.

He deliberately cheated a test in one of the dumbest ways possible.

Who cares about cannabis, it sets a really bad precedence for future tests - "Oh sorry, I tried to cheat the test because I was anxious / frustrated"

Guy seems like a deadset moron.

 

[DanWA]

He deliberately cheated a test in one of the dumbest ways possible.

Who cares about cannabis, it sets a really bad precedence for future tests - "Oh sorry, I tried to cheat the test because I was anxious / frustrated"

Guy seems like a deadset moron.

Agreed

If he went positive for weed without messing with the test we probably would have heard nothing about it

 

[Unique Name]

He might be a moron but I swear he's my favourite Eagles player.

I legit think he cost them 2 flags.

 

[Sully90]

He might be a moron but I swear he's my favourite Eagles player.

I legit think he cost them 2 flags.

Yes and no. It was certainly a factor but a couple of home and away brain fades cost them shots at flags.

 

[dont bowl there]

He deliberately cheated a test in one of the dumbest ways possible.

Who cares about cannabis, it sets a really bad precedence for future tests - "Oh sorry, I tried to cheat the test because I was anxious / frustrated"

Guy seems like a deadset moron.

He ended up submitting a test that day though right? He's getting (according to Hagggers) two years so I fail to see how that sets a really bad precedence. Unless I'm remembering wrong and he never submitted an actual test.

 

[DanWA]

Someone here can usually get around the paywall and post the story? The Worst was quick on the pedal with this story!

 

[DanWA]

He ended up submitting a test that day though right? He's getting (according to Hagggers) two years so I fail to see how that sets a really bad precedence. Unless I'm remembering wrong and he never submitted an actual test.

I think what Yeti was getting at was there was a 4 year expectation for tampering with a test

 

[dont bowl there]

I think what Yeti was getting at was there was a 4 year expectation for tampering with a test

Yeah I get that, but it's hardly setting a bad precedence if Rioli gets 2 years on the provision he did actually submit a sample that day. I honestly can't remember with certainty if that was the case or not. If he didn't then I fully agree 2 is unders.

 

[Fred Ziffel]

He deliberately cheated a test in one of the dumbest ways possible.

Who cares about cannabis, it sets a really bad precedence for future tests - "Oh sorry, I tried to cheat the test because I was anxious / frustrated"

Guy seems like a deadset moron.

A positive test to cannabis on game day is a violation of the performance enhancing drug code.
In off season it’s considered recreational but on game day it’s entirely different.
All players are aware of this and that’s why Willie panicked and took the ridiculous action he did.
Put simply , he cheated and tried to hide it.

 

[Taylor]

Rioli story went:
News of attempting to skip test broke
News of attempting to be tested later that day broke
Argument about whether that test later should just be used and forget the tampered sample
Willie Rioli

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Willie Rioli

Age

28

Ht

175cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.0

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

1.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

11.0

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.6

3star

tested positive in a match day sample, to be bundled with the tampering charge.
No more discussion.
Now.

 

[Nodgey]

Should be 4 years for tampering, 2 for the positive test. I’d then be generous and let him serve them concurrently.

 

[Yeti]

Yeah I get that, but it's hardly setting a bad precedence if Rioli gets 2 years on the provision he did actually submit a sample that day. I honestly can't remember with certainty if that was the case or not. If he didn't then I fully agree 2 is unders.

Disagree.

You agree to abide by the WADA code (significant parts that I disagree with) so you take the test. You don't try and avoid it and you don't try and put in a substitute.

Who cares if he submitted it at a later time? He may have had something worth testing for in his system that metabolised.

The fact he tested positive for something AFTER trying to avoid a test and then tamper with a test is why he should have had the book thrown at him.

WADA is a disgrace of an organisation but Riolli should have gotten 4 years.

 

[DanWA]

Disagree.

You agree to abide by the WADA code (significant parts that I disagree with) so you take the test. You don't try and avoid it and you don't try and put in a substitute.

Who cares if he submitted it at a later time? He may have had something worth testing for in his system that metabolised.

The fact he tested positive for something AFTER trying to avoid a test and then tamper with a test is why he should have had the book thrown at him.

WADA is a disgrace of an organisation but Riolli should have gotten 4 years.

You know 4 years was the maximum not the default right?

Crowley faced 4, received 1.