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Nope.

My first point is this - you're using the word "protection", other posters, particularly new ones think there's some sort of witness protection scheme going on.

You've said that police told you he's a "protected witness". I don't buy this. They could have told you this to get you to back off. You could have pooca'd it. Both more likely options than he was a "protected witness". That sounds like it was pooca'd too.

The only way I think he's protected is he has a gun lawyer with a suppression order.

I have never used the words witness protection . Not ones !!! I said you can not talk about the case as he is a witness and is under protection from that . That’s what TK told me . Now as I have said all along if you say bve name or talk about the case to him he calls the cops and they show up . If people talk about the case to me and I called the cops they would hung up on me . What would you call that ???


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I have never used the words witness protection . Not ones !!! I said you can not talk about the case as he is a witness and is under protection from that . That’s what TK told me . Now as I have said all along if you say bve name or talk about the case to him he calls the cops and they show up . If people talk about the case to me and I called the cops they would hung up on me . What would you call that ???

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If you read my posts again, you will see I'm pretty clear that you haven't used the words "witness protection". I have however pointed out that by using the word "protection", others have interpreted this as meaning "witness protection". This is how incorrect information starts. It's all innocent, but over time the wrong information gets locked in as "assumed knowledge". I notice you never clarified to people when they bounced back from your use of the word "protection" with "witness protection".


Chinese Whisper
noun

Inaccurately transmitted gossip. 'Chinese whispers' refers to a sequence of repetitions of a story, each one differing slightly from the original, so that the final telling bears only a scant resemblance to the original.


While we're on the subject of definitions;

pedophilia to refer to the primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (approx under 12)
hebephilia to refer to the sexual preference for earlier pubescent individuals (approx 12-14)
ephebophilia to refer to the sexual preference for mid-to-late adolescents (approx 14 - 18)

I notice you recently brought up the names Liddy, Marshall etc as potentially having involvement. All the research shows is that these people weren't involved. They weren't in BVE's social network, and they weren't interested in the boys of the same age. BVE's main group were ephebophiles - they were primarily interested in youths between 14 - 20. Liddy and Marshall were paedophiles - they were primarily interested in pre-pubescent boys. Both illegal for good reason, but very different. The people they perv on and they porn they look at is almost mutually exclusive. Both groups are predators, but they were targeting different demographics.
 

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If you read my posts again, you will see I'm pretty clear that you haven't used the words "witness protection". I have however pointed out that by using the word "protection", others have interpreted this as meaning "witness protection". This is how incorrect information starts. It's all innocent, but over time the wrong information gets locked in as "assumed knowledge". I notice you never clarified to people when they bounced back from your use of the word "protection" with "witness protection".


Chinese Whisper
noun

Inaccurately transmitted gossip. 'Chinese whispers' refers to a sequence of repetitions of a story, each one differing slightly from the original, so that the final telling bears only a scant resemblance to the original.


While we're on the subject of definitions;

pedophilia to refer to the primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (approx under 12)
hebephilia to refer to the sexual preference for earlier pubescent individuals (approx 12-14)
ephebophilia to refer to the sexual preference for mid-to-late adolescents (approx 14 - 18)

I notice you recently brought up the names Liddy, Marshall etc as potentially having involvement. All the research shows is that these people weren't involved. They weren't in BVE's social network, and they weren't interested in the boys of the same age. BVE's main group were ephebophiles - they were primarily interested in youths between 14 - 20. Liddy and Marshall were paedophiles - they were primarily interested in pre-pubescent boys. Both illegal for good reason, but very different. The people they perv on and they porn they look at is almost mutually exclusive. Both groups are predators, but they were targeting different demographics.

Re-read what I said . I said liddy were not involved but did know bve . You take one little pice of what I said and change it to suit yourself . The line under what I said is “ dose this make them killers? No “ again I have not used the words witness protection yet you keep saying it as if I have . As I have stated you can not talk about the case to dr and if you do he calls the cops and they rock up . That to me and a lot of people here would be classed as same form of protection . Now what would you call it if not protection ?
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One of the judgements states that Mark Langley was last seen 150m east of the Adelaide Rowing Club in War Memorial Drive.
after looking in to this further I saw that the Adelaide Rowing Club is actually on the south side of the river adjacent the weir. However, the Adelaide University Rowing Club is on War Memorial Drive on the north side of the river.
If Mark was dropped 150m that puts him virtually at the footbridge. His friends retuned only a few minutes later and couldn’t find him. This suggests that he probably crossed the footbridge and started to head towards town via Victoria Srive and then either Kintore Ave or King William Rd. And this takes him right towards the number 1 beat.
 

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One of the judgements states that Mark Langley was last seen 150m east of the Adelaide Rowing Club in War Memorial Drive.
after looking in to this further I saw that the Adelaide Rowing Club is actually on the south side of the river adjacent the weir. However, the Adelaide University Rowing Club is on War Memorial Drive on the north side of the river.
If Mark was dropped 150m that puts him virtually at the footbridge. His friends retuned only a few minutes later and couldn’t find him. This suggests that he probably crossed the footbridge and started to head towards town via Victoria Srive and then either Kintore Ave or King William Rd. And this takes him right towards the number 1 beat.
He was potentially seen at 4am walking on Hackney Rd towards the city. If true, this suggests he started walking towards home (maybe along WMD, maybe he cut through and walk up Melbourne St) and at some point thought he was better off getting into the city and waiting for the first bus.
 

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And guess who just admittedly happened to be right in that area too!

like the judge said the chances of there being two sexual sadists who drug, kidnap and rape boys being in the same area at the same time is quite low
 

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I am in bed early and I am watching a YouTube vid on the "Family Murders".In this scene, the supposed Mr B is being interviewed..I wonder if he looked like this back in the day?

They do tend to try to closely match re-enactment actors with suspect descriptions. These are stills form the 60 mins episode. Wo are these guys meant to resemble?;













Beardy Man seems to take the spotlight but he can be seen in the back seat, so it suggests he's not meant to be Bevan. Who had a beard back then? Denzel was not know for travelling in BVE's car. Mr R? LT?

And who's the young good looking guy with long hair rolling a blunt meant to be? Mr B?
 
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JezMez

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Is this Millhouse?

Sort of looks like him. Sort of looks like Manock as well. But this is a highly questionable piece of home journalism, and is probably a random image found on the web:



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That looks like a very American stock photo to me. Crisp lab coat, pen in pocket, multiple badges. Never seen a Dr in Aus looking like that.

Happy to be corrected though if someone can confirm it's him.
 
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That looks like a very American stock photo to me. Crisp lab coat, pen in pocket, multiple badges. Never seen a Dr in Aus looking like that.

Happy to be corrected though if someone can confirm it's him.
Looks like Dr Fauci - the US Covid doctor
 

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That looks like a very American stock photo to me. Crisp lab coat, pen in pocket, multiple badges. Never seen a Dr in Aus looking like that.

Happy to be corrected though if someone can confirm it's him.
I'm with you - the image just prior was of US cops.

Charlie - is that you making the comments?
 

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Where did you locate the 60 minutes show of 1988, JezMez?
It was spliced into City of Evil.

I wonder how they obtained the footage?

60 mins was actually reputable back then. They had access to one of the rape victims. I don't believe they wouldn't have asked their source to describe his abductors and then look for actors who matched their description. I don't think they would have had an actor with a beard if the source said everyone was clean shaven. The guy in the glasses looks like it may have been a match for BVE. They guy with the beard? Pussy perhaps? Maybe LT had a beard back then?
 
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Someone was asking Charlie a while back where Dario/Darko Kastelan lived. The 1979 telephone directory lists the Kastelans at 677 Torrens Rd, Cheltenham.
The Legal Services Commission was at 24 Flinders St in 1979 - just a few blocks from where Neil Muir lived in Carrington Street.
 

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Why would Muir go to Legal Aid?

It's a bit annoying that all these years later there's speculation about whether it was AB or NM. Maybe SAPol know it's either one of them, or neither one of them, and that's fair enough. But there's also a big chance that an opportunity was missed to go and re-interview the witness and show them images of both Muir and Barnes.

The ebook claimed that the call made to Stogneff the night before was never traced. This is an astounding revelation. The Stogneff family think it was Peter's uncle (approx 4 years older that Peter). But the caller has never been confirmed (meaning it wasn't traced, and Peter's uncle denied making it).

What about comparing BVE's hair to the hair found at Millhouse's? It wouldn't have been done during the Millhouse investigation/trial because they didn't know BVE was involved at that time. But once BVE was arrested for Kelvin, did they go through file and make the comparison?

Maybe they did all this stuff and it's not our business. Maybe they didn't do it and they need another review/coroner's report/Royal Commission?
 

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There are facts, there is speculation and there is reasonable assumption.

There’s speculation that NM was in the car with BVE when AB was picked up. There’s speculation that NM was at Stevenson’s house the night he was murdered. It’s probably a fact that NM was struggling with life and IF he was being drawn into even darker sides of life he may have wanted to “get out” - especially with having a fiancé and a child.
I think it’s a reasonable assumption to say Police have not investigated this very well. There would be a range of reasons for this which have been previously discussed. It also seems they rushed parts of the investigation by offering immunity deals and hoping that would at least get them somewhere, yet it didn’t.
this is why it might be time for a Royal Commission - to look at not only the investigation but to also bring the main players back in, in their ageing states, to see if something can be salvaged from the whole calamity and some (if not full) closure can finally be achieved.
Gambardella says he is willing to talk. Turtur has started to talk. Mr B - ? Mr R never seemed to be out under much pressure, he wasn’t even a witness for the Kelvin trial IIRC. Then there is Woodards and MGL and Darko Kastelan. I don’t know if Gant or Brook or Collier are still around. Plus there are no doubt known victims still alive who might come forward and there might even be victims olwho haven’t previously come forward that may now. Who knows what the redacted elements of the Mulligan Inquiry said?
Plenty of reasons to have a real go at this (again) now....
 

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Megan was Pru's best friend of many years. She would know everything Pru knew, hence would be in possession of plenty of vital information.

I will never understand why nobody, other than Mr B apparently, went to the police.

How could so many people be aware of such horrific crimes and say nothing, and I’m talking about drugging and raping as well, not just the murders.

Yes, they were all drug addicted, mandrax gobbling, heroin using etc, reliant on BvE for their pills, but nobody had a shred of decency? Not one of them thought, gee hang on this isn’t right?

And afterwards, they just went on their way with no repercussions?

A dig through Facebook shows that Pru, Sarah, Megan, Samantha were highly thought of in the trans community, and are referred to as warm, caring, supportive people. It’s like they were living two completely separate lives.

I would love to know how hard police pushed them at the time.
 
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