Adrian Dodoro: Football’s Biggest Fraud IMO

[citizen-erased]

You were just no good back then, but at least your club had balls: Replaced Sheedy with an outsider from Richmond... Sacked him too... Appointed Hirdy (a rookie coach) and poached Bomber and his rogue sports scientists from Geelong. They were failures, but the club didn't tolerate failure (hence the slogan: whatever it takes)

Bombers just seem to be soft club nowadays where losing has become accepted.

As for that fraud Dodoro, your club should use this as its new marketing slogan: Welcome to the 17th year of our Five Year Plan.

i don't recall a 5 year plan.
that level of accountability to a metricised goal is not in our DNA currently.

Makes sense, the people who set the plan are ones that get sacked when it doesn't pan out
Genius.

 

[Stabby McGee]

If he screwed your wife it would make a lot more sense.

He certainly tried, but the deal fell apart when he wouldn’t budge from his position of 3 quality blowjobs in return for a 20 second knee trembler

 

[JayJ20]

i think we needed another ahead of Phillips, behind Draper.
Stef Martin would have been nice.

There are so many things we desperately need, but a ruckman isn't one of them. Unfortunate that both Phillips and Draper are injured, but it's nonsensical to focus on that as a mistake when we're a rebuilding side. It benefits us more to give Bryan a go than recruiting Martin who will be retired within two years.

 

[citizen-erased]

There are so many things we desperately need, but a ruckman isn't one of them. Unfortunate that both Phillips and Draper are injured, but it's nonsensical to focus on that as a mistake when we're a rebuilding side. It benefits us more to give Bryan a go than recruiting Martin who will be retired within two years.

Agree but also think we could have freed up space

Gleeson and Clarke - both unnecessary uses of spots
There's two rookie mids that could be giving us something.

 

[PenAndPaper]

How is it not? For a team that's on the rebuild path, we've got a highly rated young guy in Draper who was offered a 4 year deal at another club, and showed good signs. A seasoned body in Phillips, and a rookie in Bryan. Our ruck stocks were never going to be designed to win a premiership this year.

Exactly how many ruckmen should be on a list?

Its not how many should be, its the quality. Draper is going to be great but he's an 8 gamer as your #1. You need a quality mature body and Phillips is not quality.

 

[owen87]

Its not how many should be, its the quality. Draper is going to be great but he's an 8 gamer as your #1. You need a quality mature body and Phillips is not quality.

Phillips is about as good as most sides backup ruckmen. How many sides have quality backups? Feel free to list all the sides.

 

[Chuckie357]

Going to look like a list building genius this week if they roll St Kilda

 

[Juddernaut08]

His job is to “win” trade week every year which he consistently does.

Not sure you can blame him for everything going wrong at the Bombers.

On another note, watching Rutten coach from the bench against Port was like watching George Bush Jr when he was told planes had hit the WTC. Just seemed too stunned to do anything.

Is his job to win trades, or to build a coherent list?

Geelong don't always "win" the individual trade, but their big picture strategy is usually sound and over the long term pays off.

Dodo focuses it all on the short term and the immediate, but has very little clue about what he's actually building towards beyond the next 12 months.

 

[boncer34]

Yes 3rd string ruckman he did due to injuries our first and second choice ruck would be as good as any in the comp and a lot better then Essendons that’s foreshore

Which beach?

 

[PenAndPaper]

Phillips is about as good as most sides backup ruckmen. How many sides have quality backups? Feel free to list all the sides.

How many sides have a number one that has played less than 20 games? Feel free to list the sides bud.

 

[Milanista28]

How many sides have a number one that has played less than 20 games? Feel free to list the sides bud.

Who should we have traded in? Stef Martin? Why would he come to us when the Dogs wanted him? Preuss? So he could be back up again? Hickey? See Martin & Preuss.

The fact Draper has played less than 20 games is irrelevant, we made the decision that he'd be our number 1 ruck because he is ready for that responsibility, who knew he'd get injured long term?

 

[owen87]

bud.

Oh gosh. I got called bud. However will I cope.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Who should we have traded in? Stef Martin? Why would he come to us when the Dogs wanted him? Preuss? So he could be back up again? Hickey? See Martin & Preuss.

The fact Draper has played less than 20 games is irrelevant, we made the decision that he'd be our number 1 ruck because he is ready for that responsibility, who knew he'd get injured long term?

The fact that all those back up rucks didn’t even consider Essendon as an option is a bad look for your club apparently you were interested in Ryder but he couldn’t say no quick enough

 

[owen87]

The fact that all those back up rucks didn’t even consider Essendon as an option is a bad look for your club apparently you were interested in Ryder but he couldn’t say no quick enough

m8 you're all over the shop. It's a bad look that Preuss wanted to go to GWS where he's clearly the number one ruckman, versus Essendon where he's not?

Do you even think before you post this nonsense?

 

[PenAndPaper]

Who should we have traded in? Stef Martin? Why would he come to us when the Dogs wanted him? Preuss? So he could be back up again? Hickey? See Martin & Preuss.

The fact Draper has played less than 20 games is irrelevant, we made the decision that he'd be our number 1 ruck because he is ready for that responsibility, who knew he'd get injured long term?

The fact that you're saying your only choice was to get Martin at the end of last season is proof that your list management of the ruck department by Dodo has been shotty.

Surely Dodo would have identified your lack in this area and have planned accordingly knowing that big Bell was close to retirement and Phillips was your next established ruck.

 

[Milanista28]

The fact that you're saying your only choice was to get Martin at the end of last season is proof that your list management of the ruck department by Dodo has been shotty.

Surely Dodo would have identified your lack in this area and have planned accordingly knowing that big Bell was close to retirement and Phillips was your next established ruck.

So you've just invented a new world where Draper does not exist?

 

[PenAndPaper]

Oh gosh. I got called bud. However will I cope.

Seems you're struggling to cope since you're not acknowledging that your club's ruck department is not up to standard.

Like I've said Draper will be a gun but you can't go into a season with an 8 gamer as your number 1 ruck & call that area that isn't a problem.

 

[PenAndPaper]

So you've just invented a new world where Draper does not exist?

No, I'm just living in the real world where Draper was an 8 gamer at the start of this season and going into the season with him as your number 1 ruck & the very average Phillips as backup was a poor list decision by Dodo.

 

[owen87]

Seems you're struggling to cope since you're not acknowledging that your club's ruck department is not up to standard.

Like I've said Draper will be a gun but you can't go into a season with an 8 gamer as your number 1 ruck & call that area that isn't a problem.

So you're still unable to provide a coherent answer.

Philips is perfectly fine as a depth ruckman.

Who else was available last off-season that would be better than Philips and happy to play a back-up role?

 

[Milanista28]

No, I'm just living in the real world where Draper was an 8 gamer at the start of this season and going into the season with him as your number 1 ruck & the very average Phillips as backup was a poor list decision by Dodo.

Why is the "He's only played 8 games" call relevant to you? If he played 50 games would he be less likely of collision injuries?

You say we needed to replace Belly? We have... With Draper & Phillips, Bryan, Wright can all cover when needed, like now.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

m8 you're all over the shop. It's a bad look that Preuss wanted to go to GWS where he's clearly the number one ruckman, versus Essendon where he's not?

Do you even think before you post this nonsense?

So you've just invented a new world where Draper does not exist?

So you think it’s smart to bank everything on a rookie ruckman who has barely played a game thats terrible list management even with Drapers potential!

 

[Metalcrusher]

So you think it’s smart to bank everything on a rookie ruckman who has barely played a game thats terrible list management even with Drapers potential!

Have you seen some of the "journeyman" rucks on offer in the league? Very few quality ones. Best to develop one from scratch. Draper will be fine as longs as he has a few around him to chop him out as he is growing.

 

[owen87]

So you think it’s smart to bank everything on a rookie ruckman who has barely played a game thats terrible list management even with Drapers potential!

Still not getting it I see.

Essendon have three ruckmen on the list. Going in to a season we were never going to play finals.

St Kilda had two ruckmen on the list. Going in to a season where the expectation was a minimum of finals.

So we're less worried about playing an inexperienced ruckman who needs games, whilst having more back-up, than St Kilda, who had their rookie last minute SSP selection ruckman belted all over the park and lost against Melbourne last week.

Is St Kilda guilty of terrible list management?

 

[citizen-erased]

We've generally been fairly strong

Hille/Ryder
Hille/Ryder/TBC
Hille/Ryder/TBC/Jenkins

Then it went Ryder/TBC
Then TBC/Berger
Then TBC/Giles
Then TBC/Clarke/Draper/Lavender
Then TBC/Phillips/Draper/Bryan/Crauford
Now its Draper/Phillips/Bryan

Given the experience of the 2 kids, a better option than Phillips is needed.
We'd have that had we identified when Ryder left that TBC needed something more than sub-par support.

All eyes on Bryan given our next option for this week is Wright.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Still not getting it I see.

Essendon have three ruckmen on the list. Going in to a season we were never going to play finals.

St Kilda had two ruckmen on the list. Going in to a season where the expectation was a minimum of finals.

So we're less worried about playing an inexperienced ruckman who needs games, whilst having more back-up, than St Kilda, who had their rookie last minute SSP selection ruckman belted all over the park and lost against Melbourne last week.

Is St Kilda guilty of terrible list management?

Considering when fit we have one of the better ruck duo’s in the comp in marshal and Ryder were We took one of them in the rookie draft and got the other one for peanuts I would say that’s actually very good list management ! hunter was only ever brought in for emergencies only! It’s all well and good to say you have four ruckman on the list but when 3 of them are barley afl standard and your number 1 is an eight game rookie then you have a problem