Covid-19 Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Part 4 - Ivermectin doesn't work either.

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Cases rising worldwide and Australia maintaining eradication. Unlikely our borders will be opening for at least 12 months, particularly if the virus really kicks off again.
 
Cases rising worldwide and Australia maintaining eradication. Unlikely our borders will be opening for at least 12 months, particularly if the virus really kicks off again.
As has been sharply pointed out to me, not every country is experiencing this, so we may see some "bubbles" with countries that are doing as well as we are. However, as we know, nothing can be counted on.
 

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How about the US? 23% above the last 5 year average is a staggering figure.

COVID-19 was the major cause of a nearly 23% increase in U.S. deaths during the last 10 months of 2020.

Researchers noted that the rate of excess deaths in the United States -- those above the number that would be expected based on averages from the previous five years -- tends to be consistent at about 1% to 2% a year.

But between March 1, 2020 and Jan. 2, 2021, excess deaths rose 22.9% to 522,368. More than 7 in 10 were attributed to COVID-19.


It doesn't make sense to look at part years because of seasonal considerations. 2020 as a whole is 14.1% up on the US last 5 years average which is significant. But similar to the UK, the mortality rate in the US was higher in every year between 1950 and 2003 than it was in 2020. We are not looking at mortality rates higher than what we've seen in the last 20 years.

Also, if Covid-19 is taking people a few months or a year early who are already seriously ill it could be that 2021 turns out to be a low mortality year.

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You think isolation makes this thing go away? You think closing borders, cities, countries or schools makes it go?

No. None of these things work. Nothing does.
Apart from the fact this is what we've done and it never got a proper foothold?

Initially timid government measures and pockets of population that thought they were too good to follow advice is what screwed Europe. The Italians initially took "lockdown" to mean they had time off work to go to the beach. The English PM was busy running around hospitals shaking hands and licking keyboards.
 

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Just spent a pleasant weekend going to restaurants, watching live sport, catching up with friends and going out whenever we like.

Amazing given all those measures like closing borders, cities and schools apparently didn’t work.
Closing borders works, but leaves you with the problem of how to ever open them again, and in any case couldn't work in a country with France's geography.

The other measures only work if you never get above a very low number of cases. Again, never an option for countries in Europe.
 

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Closing borders works, but leaves you with the problem of how to ever open them again, and in any case couldn't work in a country with France's geography.

The other measures only work if you never get above a very low number of cases. Again, never an option for countries in Europe.

Having competent governments also helps.
 

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Closing borders works, but leaves you with the problem of how to ever open them again, and in any case couldn't work in a country with France's geography.

The other measures only work if you never get above a very low number of cases. Again, never an option for countries in Europe.
Could have worked if the EU acted as one
Problem was the UK never shut down its airport and received the variants and then sent them on holiday
 

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You think our government is any more or less competent than Germany or France? (I'll give you UK, they are a shitshow for both government and opposition).
Germany did ok early on
They then went on holiday to Spain and Greece with the Brits
France did ok until it allowed people to come on holiday
 

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Could have worked if the EU acted as one
Problem was the UK never shut down its airport and received the variants and then sent them on holiday
We know you consider anything less than China-style welding people in their houses to be 'half-arsed', but at least acknowledge that you need an authoritarian state to do it. And then you're stuck with it post-Covid - you can't turn it on and off like a tap.

Also there's no proof that lockdowns in China even worked. Everything we get told in the West is via the CCP.
 

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We know you consider anything less than China-style welding people in their houses to be 'half-arsed', but at least acknowledge that you need an authoritarian state to do it. And then you're stuck with it post-Covid - you can't turn it on and off like a tap.

Also there's no proof that lockdowns in China even worked. Everything we get told in the West is via the CCP.
I consider Australia and NZ not half arsed too
 

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Just spent a pleasant weekend going to restaurants, watching live sport, catching up with friends and going out whenever we like.

Amazing given all those measures like closing borders, cities and schools apparently didn’t work.
Shame about the mental health outcomes resulting from extended lockdowns. Anyway, it's nice that you can watch sport and your granny lives a few more quality years in an elderly home.
 
Shame about the mental health outcomes resulting from extended lockdowns. Anyway, it's nice that you can watch sport and your granny lives a few more quality years in an elderly home.

There were no good choices with covid, it was weighing up what was the least awful way forward.

People dismissing lockdown effects on mental health are as bad as those who said old people would happily die for the economy
 

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There were no good choices with covid, it was weighing up what was the least awful way forward.

People dismissing lockdown effects on mental health are as bad as those who said old people would happily die for the economy
Fair.
 

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You think our government is any more or less competent than Germany or France? (I'll give you UK, they are a shitshow for both government and opposition).

On this, yes they were. For example, Germany listened to their equivalent of the IPA economic panic merchants, opened up and got a second wave. We rightly ignored those schoolboy tools.
 

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Shame about the mental health outcomes resulting from extended lockdowns. Anyway, it's nice that you can watch sport and your granny lives a few more quality years in an elderly home.

My granny’s been dead a long time.

She probably wouldn’t have understood the mental health outcomes of missing a few months face to face contact at school or work, what with growing up in depression Scotland, parents dying early, being split up from her sisters as they were shipped off to relatives in Australia and then not seeing her husband for 5 years during the war, but yeah Covid....
 

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My granny’s been dead a long time.

She probably wouldn’t have understood the mental health outcomes of missing a few months face to face contact at school or work, what with growing up in depression Scotland, parents dying early, being split up from her sisters as they were shipped off to relatives in Australia and then not seeing her husband for 5 years during the war, but yeah Covid....
Unless she had postgraduate studies in psychology, she would have known sfa about mental health. Sorry, but the school of hard knocks is overrated.
 

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it’s amusing to watch the Australian reaction to a handful of cases in a city
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It’s precisely because of our response to a few cases that we’re currently in the position were in.
Shame about the mental health outcomes resulting from extended lockdowns. Anyway, it's nice that you can watch sport and your granny lives a few more quality years in an elderly home.
We’re not having extended lockdowns. We appear to have found a decent compromise- short bursts of restrictions as back up to quarantine/contact tracing, until this painfully slow vaccine rollout can take effect. Most Australians are living reasonably normal lives, and have for some time. It’s a very different story in most other parts of the world.
 

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It’s precisely because of our response to a few cases that we’re currently in the position were in.

We’re not having extended lockdowns. We appear to have found a decent compromise- short bursts of restrictions as back up to quarantine/contact tracing, until this painfully slow vaccine rollout can take effect. Most Australians are living reasonably normal lives, and have for some time. It’s a very different story in most other parts of the world.
The 2nd Melbourne lockdown felt extended to me. Having seen the effects on children, I'm still undecided as to whether it was the right choice.
 
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