It was all half arsed
Autopsy Rd 3 Insipid Loss to Carlton (Be Civil)
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Probs, but we've got rid of a lot of staff too.
Time for Bell to go IMO, and get someone in from Vic that is a career footy list person.
Not an ex Freo player, who has dabbled in property (badly), dabbled in hospitality (badly) and done media (better).
Need a Gubby Allen or someone like that IMO
I am interested in these comments.
What does a successful rebuild look like? Who has performed one over the last 20 years? What were its characteristics?
We definitely messed up with the Hogan trade and it has cost us, but I don't know if that means we did the rebuild wrong.
The best clubs don't seem to rebuild these days.
It's whatever works....and that varies
I mean WC traded for Tim Kelly with a king's ransom, but they had Allen, Ryan in the sheds who were projecting as elite.
If Kelly came home and performed like Des Headland would they be a success? As it is they have a ready replacement for Shuey, and will next year look for another Kennedy replacement knowing that Allen is already doing the job.
If we'd taken Naughton with the Cerra pick and King the next year instead of Hogan that would probably be a success.
Successful clubs are always building for the future. Draft picks are irrelevant and they have a good enough culture to back their development in even though they may not recruit high draft picks. We currently don’t have this.
So out of interest, how do we approach this years draft? Desperate for another forward and another ruck. Preferably with some agility.
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we have meek lobb and darcy, surely that's enough for rucks. Maybe a small forward, but desperate for some non-injury prone defenders
So 3 skinny flankers it is
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Look we tell the AFL he’s had severe concussion problems, and threaten future legal action for ongoing post-concussion syndrome and we’re good to go.
Seems like anytime the players are either not completely focused or are under pressure they revert back to their old systems that were drummed in and therefore more automatic. It is going to take some time it seems.
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Wish we just took Neale in the draft instead of trading up for O’Driscoll
The thing that worries me is Lachie Schultz in the pre season games said that we were miles ahead of where we were last year in implementing the game plan and yet here we are. Is the game plan already irrelevant because this is of great concern.
Not under pressure it isn't. Gws were witches hats. Carlton hadn't played for 10 days and were jumping out of their skins and saw a young inexperienced midfield and squashed us.
West coast were desperate to get O’Driscoll. The Age reported a few days later that they called Collingwood at pick 26 offering next years second rounder for their pick 27 to get him. That was the reason why we had to pay pick 30 and next years third rounder to jump to 27 for Noddy.
So if west coast are so amazing as everyone is saying here - Noddy will be a gun as they wanted him very badly too.
Well when we played against a no-pressure GWS the ball movement looked good.
And in the last Q or so vs Carlton, the pressure around the ball came off, the game opened up, guys like Cerra hit some inside kicks and we pretty much broke even (for what that was worth)
So I suppose you can say that there is a game plan that is OK ... when the planets align and there is no pressure. I'm sure it looks mint on the training track.
But it doesn't amount to a hill of beans until they can due it against motivated opposition. And i think that means there is still a hell of a lot of work to do.
We're certainly jumpy.
Besides the fact that rebuild's not an actual thing, I'd not be writing anything off yet. I didn't see the average age difference yesterday, but we're looking at young players to drive some very key positions. Collectively it can misfire and consistency is less likely.
Also I've not seen as much scrutiny and advice thrown at one side 2 games in, it was a lot of fuel for the cartoon coaching group.
For me it's a small sample size as far as this year goes.
Besides the fact that rebuild's not an actual thing, I'd not be writing anything off yet. I didn't see the average age difference yesterday, but we're looking at young players to drive some very key positions. Collectively it can misfire and consistency is less likely.
Also I've not seen as much scrutiny and advice thrown at one side 2 games in, it was a lot of fuel for the cartoon coaching group.
For me it's a small sample size as far as this year goes.
Im pretty sure they were the 4th oldest team this round and we were the 4th youngest
The onus was on Cerra to stop Walsh or at least demand more of the ball, he failed and moving Conca out of defense wouldn't have helped the result.
It's just a miserable game on our part. The issue for me is that if we are poor in the middle our under-manned back and forward line cannot help us at the moment.
Tabs/Lobb/Treacy and we look a lot better in the forward line.
Fyfe playing 50% midfield and we look better. I'm move Conca out of defence and into the midfield when we get Logue back.
I believe the selection team just underestimated just how hard the Blues would come out in the midfield and should have played Blakely in there esp. with Fyfe out.
I don't believe in the keep a 'winning' side, the next opposition has different challenges.
Treacy should’ve came in, and Blakely staying to take Fyfe’s spot. Colyer out. But we went with speed and got bullied inside. That’s why JLo needs to win at the selection table. What’s the use of Blakely for Peel?
Another take is Conca has to come into the midfield at some point. Perhaps once Logue gets back?
We will probably win next week with a makeshift team missing a heap but they will be fired up after a media pasting all week. Then we will be over in Adelaide and the likes of Logue and Crowden and Tucker will probably be available. Jlo will be like “I want to get some consistency in selection Im not changing anything” 
We will take the field in Adelaide oval with half a dozen spuds again and lose. Throw in a couple of injuries to non-spud important players.
Rinse and repeat every 2 weeks.
We will take the field in Adelaide oval with half a dozen spuds again and lose. Throw in a couple of injuries to non-spud important players.
Rinse and repeat every 2 weeks.
More likely he got ahead of himself and thought the team were ahead of where they actually are.
That’s a worry in it self
