Summer #Brisbane2032 - Brisbane announced as host of the 2032 Olympics!
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That is still an insane waste of money. Building a massive stadium and then taking most of it a part is a massive waste of money. Do people understand how much it costs to build stadiums? It costs serious money to tear them down too. And brisbane has no need for a 25 thousand capacity athletics track. none. our current Athletics track is fine for year to year activities. It never suffers crowd lockouts. If we ever got another one off special athletics event we could just use the gabba or metricon again. Even a 25 thousand capacity athletics track is a white elephant thst would sit empty all the time.
the gabba is in the best location. Its due for an upgrade over the next decade anyway. this should happen regardless of their being an olympics. Just increase its capacity to 65 thousand. You only have to build half a stadium that way. By the 2030s brisbane will have the population to fill this stadium for big footy events, cricket and concerts. So no need to waste money reducing its capacity either.
the olympics transport infrastructure requirements will also be greatly reduced if the main stadium is the gabba. Many people can just walk from southbank and the city. Plus the city tunnel will have just been completed linking the gabba to the city. You will need to build all this again if the stadium is in a suburb near the airport and it wont be used anywhere near capacity after the olympics are gone. More white elephants.
stadiums built in outer suburbs or near airports always fail. Stadiums built for one or two special events and then have no real purpose always fail. The queensland olympic committe has claimed they dont want white elephants but are planning on building exactly that.
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What if the money for new stadium and demolishing costs was picked up by the IOC?! Ie consider it part of their money with govt money being considered to be built on legacy stuff like upgrades to transport and other facilities?
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Have you been to the Gabba?
Vulture St and Stanley St come right up to the edge of the stadium. You can't just put on an extra 20,000 seats without widening the base of the stadium to support it. What are you going to do? Build tunnels and have Vulture St and Stanley St buried and effectively run under the stadium so you can build the base of a bigger capacity. What is the cost of that. An insane cost??
By the way, how much is an insane cost?
You say the Gabba is the best location but it is in a very tricky location that restricts redevelopment.
It would still be money wasted just not ours. Im fine from that as a queenslander. Although as a queenslander it wouod still be a wasted opportunity to not have the stadium built in a prime location.
Not fine with it as an economist.
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Thats now. But not in 2030. Its going to become the central train hub along with city once cross river rail is completed. This will also involve huge public spaces just outside the gabba along with restaurants and pubs. Plus its also walking distance from southbank. Its almost like cross river rail was planned for an olympic bid.
There is a heap of room on the western side to expand. Just a couple of crappy old low level buildings on that side. Can more than justify getting rid of them for an olympics. I think they might be doing that anyway. As for the wings you narrow the ground by 10-15 metres. Its too much of a circle anyway that results in unappealing afl. Plus they will want to narrow the stands width for athletics otherwise the fans will be too far from the action. That gives you heaps of room to expand to 70 thousand.
ps. An insane amount is any 40 plus thousand stadium that isnt then used for 30 plus years with close to capacity events atleast 6 times every year.
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I personally think the airport location is dumb. IIRC in 2016 the airport idea was for several sports venues, including Brisbane Lions moving their home base there ( before Springfield came up) and was part of the early concept for a Brisbane / SE Qld games bid. The Olympics have changed their requirements for venues since 2016.
But another decent greenfield site has to be seriously be considered.
The Gabba was expanded to match the size of of the MCG and be approx 160m x 140m boundary line to boundary line and run east-west. which means for cricket the straight north-south boundaries are 60m from wicket to wicket.
The ICC has put minimum sizes for grounds. If you take take away 10-15 on the wings the the ICC might not approve the Gabba for Tests and ODI's, unless they grandfather the Gabba.
The fans had no problem watching athletics at the MCG for the Comm Games. Sure having a stadium about 120m wide for athletics on the side is better than 140-150m but you can add or remove a few rows of seats just for the games. I think the city end of the MCG they took out 5 rows of seats so that the track could fit as the MCG fence to fence is 170m but the track from outside of lane 8 at one end to outside of lane 8 at another is 177.8m.
So there is a good chance that's reducing the wings is not going to happen. Sure you could build a huge 25,000 people type stand at the western end and maybe its temporary but that will probably add only 17,000 seats. Something else would have to be done of a temporary nature to get it over 60,000 to say 65,000 so that you can sell 60,000 seats allowing for space taken up by necessary infrastructure.
Since 1960 Olympics (and even pre 1956) the host city has faced the issue that the athletics stadium is an oval and has to be a minimum of 180m x 120m, but the most popular local sport that makes the venue viable has been a rectangle sport. So there has been a degree of inefficiency and waste at every stadium. That probably won't change with Brisbane.
Even in Atlanta where baseball rather than gridiron used the Olympic stadium post Olympic games, Ted Turner and NBC had to come up with around $200mUSD to knock down about 1/3rd of the stadium and transform it into a baseball stadium for Turner's Atlanta Braves. Capacity went from 85,000 to 50,000 But after 2016 season they moved to a new stadium, Truist Park.
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HereIam86
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They will also decide whether to renovate the Gabba or build a new stadium at Albion Park Raceway which will mean construction of a major transport line, likely a train network.
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Brisbane bid for 2032 Olympics closer with IOC meeting
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Announced today that it will be the Gabba. Some sanity prevails. Going to rebuild the whole stadium and expand it to only 50 thousand. by 2030 the Gabba really needs to hold 60 thousand regardless of an olympics or not.
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There's over 20k homeless people in this state and we're spending $1billion on an 8000 seat upgrade lol. $125000 per seat.
There's also more vacant dwellings than there are homeless people, and this inevitably means more apartments go up, and more apartments become short-term accommodation. Farcical and short-sighted and only going to rip away whatever character Brisbane CBD's surrounding suburbs have managed to maintain.
Not to mention somehow Annastacia Palaszczuk couldn't find time to consult the local and state members for the Gabba whl have put forth very reasonable and legitimate reasons as to why this is a terrible idea.
There's also more vacant dwellings than there are homeless people, and this inevitably means more apartments go up, and more apartments become short-term accommodation. Farcical and short-sighted and only going to rip away whatever character Brisbane CBD's surrounding suburbs have managed to maintain.
Not to mention somehow Annastacia Palaszczuk couldn't find time to consult the local and state members for the Gabba whl have put forth very reasonable and legitimate reasons as to why this is a terrible idea.
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50k capacity for the Gabba makes it hard to get tickets for the athletics. Scalped tickets will have a decent premium. Personally dont give a s**t about attending the opening and closing ceremonies.
Got tickets for every evening session in Sydney and went to half the morning sessions as had other things on for the other half. With 110k capacity it was relatively easy to get a single or double ticket for every session. Only one I had trouble with was the night of Freeman's 400m final. There were 9 finals all up and it was one of the best night of Olympic or world champs finals.
Ended up lining up at 2.30am when over a week period, maybe a fortnight before the games, SOCOG released the so called 300,000 seats for the rich, the ticketing guru hid from the board at most stadiums/events and wanted to sell at a premium to corporates so SOCOG could meet its revenue budgets. I ended up sitting 5m before the finish line on level 4 for that evening of athletics. Also bought some great seats for the cycling velodrome.
As I wrote a few weeks ago, to get the Gabba to 60k or 70k would probably mean having to pinch Stanley Street and Vulture Street and using that area for the base of a larger stadium and they would have to build a tunnel for the vehicle traffic. 50k capacity suggests that wont be happening. Seems stupid to demolish current stadium and not try and squeeze in 60k new one.
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40k at the Comm Games yet there were still empty grandstands
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Olympics are different to Comm Games. They had 95k at most morning sessions of the Olympics at Sydney.
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I had completely forgotten about the new Cross River Rail project that started planning in 2016 and approved mid 2019 and construction started at end of 2019, expected to be finished in late 2024 and services commence in early 2025.
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It's a 10km $5bil project runs from Bowen Hills in the north to Dutton Park in the south with about 60% of the route is along underground tunnels. Woolloongabba is one of the biggest new stations on the route, so that was another important reason to go with the Gabba. The premier talks about it being perfect timing and a perfect fit.
But they did consider Bowen Hills railyard area and the nextdoor suburb of Albion Park for other venues and the athletes village as a potential site for an 80k stadium back in 2018 and 2019, until the IOC said they would accept a 60k stadium, which changed again to at least 50k
From October 2019
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New Brisbane stadium with 80,000 seats forms part of the 2032 Olympics bid for Brisbane and greater South-East Queensland. The new stadium for Brisbane was revealed in the plans for the 2032 Olympics bid in a meeting with Thomas Bach, president of the International Olympic Committee (IOC) in Switzerland.
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Mr Coates outlined that a smaller stadium built would be enough and a new facility to seat 80,000 people would not be required, stating “The maximum is 60,000, that’s what’s been provided in Tokyo, that’s what London provided," [Coates was wrong London Stadium was 80k for the Olympics then reduced to 60k 3 years later]
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Annastacia Palaszczuk, Queensland Premier outlined after the OC’s announcement that new venues may be built to host the Games and Paralympics, as the bid relies on the host already having 85% of the venues required
“it is a game changer, we don’t have to build huge stadiums that are not going to be used in the future”.
“There is an option of one new big venue in terms of the opening ceremony but we may use Carrara (Stadium on the Gold Coast, also known as Metricon Stadium) as well, we’ve got to go down to the fine print and make sure we’ve got all the funding lined up.”
A 50,000 seat stadium is the requirement by the OIC for opening and closing ceremonies, which means that the State Government needs to consider where the Brisbane Olympic Stadium will be located.
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Cross River Rail is a new 10.2 kilometre rail line from Dutton Park to Bowen Hills, which includes 5.9 kilometres of twin tunnels under the Brisbane River and CBD. Cross River Rail will deliver four new underground stations at Boggo Road, Woolloongabba, Albert Street and Roma Street. It will...
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It's a 10km $5bil project runs from Bowen Hills in the north to Dutton Park in the south with about 60% of the route is along underground tunnels. Woolloongabba is one of the biggest new stations on the route, so that was another important reason to go with the Gabba. The premier talks about it being perfect timing and a perfect fit.
But they did consider Bowen Hills railyard area and the nextdoor suburb of Albion Park for other venues and the athletes village as a potential site for an 80k stadium back in 2018 and 2019, until the IOC said they would accept a 60k stadium, which changed again to at least 50k
From October 2019
New 80,000 Capacity Stadium – Brisbane 2032 Olympics Bid
New Brisbane stadium with 80,000 seats forms part of the 2032 Olympics bid for Brisbane and greater South-East Queensland. The new stadium for Brisbane was r
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Mr Coates outlined that a smaller stadium built would be enough and a new facility to seat 80,000 people would not be required, stating “The maximum is 60,000, that’s what’s been provided in Tokyo, that’s what London provided," [Coates was wrong London Stadium was 80k for the Olympics then reduced to 60k 3 years later]
From February 2021
New Stadium, Aquatic Centre & Athletes Village - for 2032 Olympic Games
Queensland is very close to securing the hosting rights to the Olympics in 2032, with Brisbane’s bid announced as the "preferred candidate city" by the Intern
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Annastacia Palaszczuk, Queensland Premier outlined after the OC’s announcement that new venues may be built to host the Games and Paralympics, as the bid relies on the host already having 85% of the venues required
“it is a game changer, we don’t have to build huge stadiums that are not going to be used in the future”.
“There is an option of one new big venue in terms of the opening ceremony but we may use Carrara (Stadium on the Gold Coast, also known as Metricon Stadium) as well, we’ve got to go down to the fine print and make sure we’ve got all the funding lined up.”
A 50,000 seat stadium is the requirement by the OIC for opening and closing ceremonies, which means that the State Government needs to consider where the Brisbane Olympic Stadium will be located.
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Agree it does seem stupid to demolish a whole stadium to only increase its capacity to 50 thousand. 70 thousand would of been ideal but surely it has to be atleast 60 thousand. If a tunnel is needed for stanley street then so be it.
Will lions play at Metricon for a couple seasons?
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You would think if they start construction after the November test say in 2027, they could complete it by March 2029. If they need say April and May the Lions could play mainly away games and say a couple at home at Metricon.
I have no idea how much they are going to raise the stadium, otherwise they could do a staged development like at the MCG between October 2002 and October/November 2005 for the 2006 Comm Games.
They will have to play home games away in 2032, but they could say play first 6 games at home games between mid March and end of April, build the track in the month of May and test in in June and early July, for a 23rd July start of the Olympics.
Actually having the Olympics between 23rd July and 8 August raises several interesting questions. Does the AFL season end before the Olympics? Does it take a month off say between 11th July and 11th August? Do they start early to compensate for the month off? Or do they finish the home and away part of the season early and then have the finals from 3rd weekend of August??
The local and state members are both Greens and the Palaszczuk government and Greens are in a race to the death for the inner city seats.
I really can’t envisage a scenario where Palaszczuk will sit down with a local Green under any circumstances
Or do they play through but drag the round out over the course of the Olympics?
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You reckon 7 will cover both? AFL and NRL want to compete against the Olympics for crowds, eyeball and sponsors?
They’ve done it in the past. Just look at the CWG
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The Commonwealth Games are mickey mouse they don't rank with the Olympics. Sure they get decent media coverage but they don't absolutely dominate the media landscape like the Olympics.
Why did both AFL and NRL finish their seasons 2 weeks before the Sydney Olympics started?
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Yeah, I know, but they're still elected representatives. I've become very disenfranchised with QLD ALP. Frequently bitch and moan about Greens targetting inner-city seats then pull s**t like against the desires of the electorate.
