Analysis Clarko in 2019 “We’re a middle of the road team”
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Has Clarko shown this has he? Please point it out, and be very specific about it.
Our recruiting manager had because no coach can make a opera with teckno
Longmire still going mate, but he has better recruiting with their academy and everything else they get.
Clarko needs to go again but I feels like a wake up call is needed, I don’t see some of the decisions occurring this year if it was his first year...
what we are seeing is the impact of poor strategy now having an impact, the good news is the last two drafts have been excellent, and mark mckenzie and team have done a remarkable job with the picks they have had.
I sometimes think clarko is still wedded to the old strategy but moving on gw makes me think it wasn’t all gravy. Things can turn quickly, but it’s not going to happen if we keep letting the mids get dominated from the ruck.
Bolton is a curse now, bloke has to go. Embrace the rebuild with the coaches to
Lastly clarko built the previous teams on a hard unrelenting edge and now it seems more passive? Angry determined clarko with a lack of patients is who we need
what we are seeing is the impact of poor strategy now having an impact, the good news is the last two drafts have been excellent, and mark mckenzie and team have done a remarkable job with the picks they have had.
I sometimes think clarko is still wedded to the old strategy but moving on gw makes me think it wasn’t all gravy. Things can turn quickly, but it’s not going to happen if we keep letting the mids get dominated from the ruck.
Bolton is a curse now, bloke has to go. Embrace the rebuild with the coaches to
Lastly clarko built the previous teams on a hard unrelenting edge and now it seems more passive? Angry determined clarko with a lack of patients is who we need
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Agree it's not impossible - but that's not very specific mate.
Lethal had 70+ players to choose from to win his flags at brizzy, plus every concession known to man.
Sheedy wouldn't survive anywhere without cheating - that's why they sent him to GWS
Both poor comparisons to a man who single-handedly lifted us out of our worse mess since 1925 to 1961 without any concessions or help from the afl.
He deserves to try and get it right after making mistakes, he is human after-all. Lets allow him that, as supporters.
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I guess we'll see
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6 years is time though ? Clarkson tried a top up strategy that failed miserably, every coach has a used by date at a club. Sheedy got the arse 7 years after 2000 for eg.
As long as Clarko is hungry for the job, then it is his for as long as he wants it. In hindsight, we are about 3 years behind the rebuild we should have started after 2017...
The top up strategy clearly hasn’t worked, I’d be curious to know how those multiple 1st round draft picks/future picks that we traded away for guys like Mitchell, JOM, Wingard are going and who we possibly could have picked up?
The top up strategy clearly hasn’t worked, I’d be curious to know how those multiple 1st round draft picks/future picks that we traded away for guys like Mitchell, JOM, Wingard are going and who we possibly could have picked up?
Agree. But they have been MUCH worse since sheedy left.
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When finished 4 in 2018.... this will be the third year we haven't finished top 4, so yes lets just sack the coach
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Top four means absolutely nothing when you straight-set.
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Then why do people use Geelong as a measuring stick? Hint it does.
Geelong only straight setted in 2014.
When you miss finals then straight set then miss again the next year it kind of suggests top 4 wasn’t a true reflection of where you were at.
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When was the last time they went out in straight sets?
Who is using it as a measuring stick?
We've done it twice since they last have. And no one is using it as a measuring stick. Their fans said the exact same thing.
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6 top 4 finishes in a row, miss the finals, top 4 finish. That would suggest to me it was an accurate reflection.
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I guess based on that logic we didn't actually 3peat, given we finished, what - 3rd, 2nd and 4th in the H&A?
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Who were the better sides than Hawthorn in 2018?
Was it Melbourne that finished 17th the following year or maybe Sydney that finished 15th. I know it Geelong the team that lost their only final
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Who were the better sides than Hawthorn in 2018?
Was it Melbourne that finished 17th the following year or maybe Sydney that finished 15th. I know it Geelong the team that lost their only final
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And coincidentally all of those teams finished higher than Hawthorn come the end of the season.
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I disagree with you here. We performed really well that year. The injuries and straight sets losses showed up our lack of depth, as did the following year where we lost our number one player and absolutely nose-dived.
What's pleasing now is that we seem to have finally ditched the 2017 rebuild-on-the-run model. Clarko came into this year thinking that, although it was a not a flag year, maybe we'd see the 2020 round 1-4, pre-hub Hawks suddenly whir back into gear, and get ready to shoot back up the table. This was evidenced by the persistence with O'Brien in the forward line ahead of Lewis, the Ceglar/McEvoy ruck division, Scrimshaw's omission. I think the Freo loss really clarified where we are at. We are struggling to match it with the mid-table sides when they play well - and we are a long way off the type of footy that Richmond/Port/Brisbane/Melbourne are capable of.
Selection is starting to reflect that, and we'll start to reap some longer term rewards. Short term will require some forbearance, however.
I said he was an issue a few weeks back and got shot for it as well.
Our midfield is our biggest issue by a long way, and it’s got as much to do with set up and structure as it does personnel.
We didn't nose dive in 2019 - had some real bad luck early in the season in the crazy game where the umps went crazy and handed the Dogs a game that cost us a spot in the finals. Remember the frees against Sic for no reason and then the one where Worpel was penalised for walking through the centre circle and they had to admit that is not a rule. Also had bad luck with injuries all year, especially Impey.
This year Lewis and Scrimshaw were injured and underdone so missed round 1 and then we rewarded a winning team with no change for round 2.
Look up the word hubris in the dictionary you will find a photo of Clarko. He totally believes everything written about him being a genius and that he could coach any bunch of players to a flag.
His motto has been “lose a soldier, replace him with another soldier”. This is BS.
Lose Gale, get Vickery - Fail
Lose Budddy, give Timmy the 23 - Fail
Lose Hill, get Scully - Fail
Lose Rough, get Patton - Fail
Lose Cyril, get Wingard - Fail
Lose Frawley, get Hartigan -Fail
Get rid of all time greats Mitchell, Lewis and Hodge for a bag of chips and replace them with TOM and JOM in return for our draft future and become a bottom four side four years later - Fail
Recruit players with a history of injury and rehabilitate them because we have the best doctors and it worked once with Burgoyne- Fail
Clarkson is totally unaccountable. He tells the world we’re a young side which is again total B S. Players like Lewis, Moore, Hanrahan, Cousins, Morrison, Worpel, Howe, O’Brien have all been on the list for at least four years. CJ and Kosi have been on the list for three years and the rest of this year’s regulars five plus years. Day is the one exception. These guys may be inexperienced at AFL level but that’s because they’re not good enough to get regular AFL games. Buddy Franklin kicked 100 goals in his fourth season. I know it’s not fair to compare to Buddy but the fact is if they’re good enough, they’ll play, just look at Will Day. These are the sort of players you need to win flags. This whole Box Hill apprenticeship stuff is BS. Michael Tuck and Dipper playing 50 games in the reserves was over 40 years ago, it’s not relevant.
Clarko likes to compare 2021 to 2005 and 2010. More BS. Clarko inherited Hodge, Mitchell, Croad, Brown, Williams, Ladson, Osborne, BAteman, Sewell, Campbell, Dixon and J Smith when he took over the club. He then got a priority pick that got us Buddy. In 2010 the core of the 2008 side was still there including Buddy, Rough, Cyril, Lewis and Birchall. The only truly young players we currently have that would have the ability of those players is Day and maybe CJ.
Hawthorn is not just a middle of the road side, they have become totally irrelevant in the AFL landscape. Terrible performances like Saturday’s are just ignored and accepted and Clarko continues to remain totally unaccountable for the mess he has largely created.
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His motto has been “lose a soldier, replace him with another soldier”. This is BS.
Lose Gale, get Vickery - Fail
Lose Budddy, give Timmy the 23 - Fail
Lose Hill, get Scully - Fail
Lose Rough, get Patton - Fail
Lose Cyril, get Wingard - Fail
Lose Frawley, get Hartigan -Fail
Get rid of all time greats Mitchell, Lewis and Hodge for a bag of chips and replace them with TOM and JOM in return for our draft future and become a bottom four side four years later - Fail
Recruit players with a history of injury and rehabilitate them because we have the best doctors and it worked once with Burgoyne- Fail
Clarkson is totally unaccountable. He tells the world we’re a young side which is again total B S. Players like Lewis, Moore, Hanrahan, Cousins, Morrison, Worpel, Howe, O’Brien have all been on the list for at least four years. CJ and Kosi have been on the list for three years and the rest of this year’s regulars five plus years. Day is the one exception. These guys may be inexperienced at AFL level but that’s because they’re not good enough to get regular AFL games. Buddy Franklin kicked 100 goals in his fourth season. I know it’s not fair to compare to Buddy but the fact is if they’re good enough, they’ll play, just look at Will Day. These are the sort of players you need to win flags. This whole Box Hill apprenticeship stuff is BS. Michael Tuck and Dipper playing 50 games in the reserves was over 40 years ago, it’s not relevant.
Clarko likes to compare 2021 to 2005 and 2010. More BS. Clarko inherited Hodge, Mitchell, Croad, Brown, Williams, Ladson, Osborne, BAteman, Sewell, Campbell, Dixon and J Smith when he took over the club. He then got a priority pick that got us Buddy. In 2010 the core of the 2008 side was still there including Buddy, Rough, Cyril, Lewis and Birchall. The only truly young players we currently have that would have the ability of those players is Day and maybe CJ.
Hawthorn is not just a middle of the road side, they have become totally irrelevant in the AFL landscape. Terrible performances like Saturday’s are just ignored and accepted and Clarko continues to remain totally unaccountable for the mess he has largely created.
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